We are SOOOO BAD!

[movingforward]

gatordog said:

wvhsparent said:

Which is also why I am confident nothing will come of it.

Parent, here is what I think should come out of all this:

The emailer to CV should sincerely apologize to her. I hope CV finds it in her heart to accept the apology.

CV should apologize to Kathi Baldwin and (or?) Owen Wavrinek for linking them with this incident. I hope they too find it in their hearts to accept the apology.

Then we all together move on with 204 business.

gatordog,

I believe the emailer did respond immediately after CV's reply and stated the message was not a threat at all and was simply a comment relating to her run for school board in 2009. . (whether it included the word 'apology', only CV and the emailer knows.)

Even after getting the explanation from the emailer, CV still pursued it with police. IMO, this was just to cause problems for the emailer.


After reading CVs 'detailed knowledge' of this emailer (taken from CV email provided by Pink in an earlier post) I am even more certain that her motivation for contacting police was to sensor this individual and was NOT because she felt threatened.... IMO

Again, I'll ask Pink.... Has CV posted here?

[klsemom]

I’ve been a long-time reader of this board. It's a great place to learn about what's going on in the district from people who genuinely seem to want what's best. At the beginning, it seemed also to be a pretty good place to go to get a variety of opinions. During this past election, however, I do feel that it changed. I do agree with a lot of the newspaper coverage of this board.

IMO, before the elections, the tone of the board became quite hostile and yes, a little ridiculous - does anyone really care about where campaign signs were placed? The amount of background research done on these people became, quite frankly, a little creepy.

I did receive the inappropriate (my opinion) email from the active member of this board responding to a candidate coffee in a private home. I found his tone to be fairly offensive, implying the he was inviting himself to challenge these candidates (because I guess we attendees wouldn’t know what to ask) and that he might bring some friends with him. He then signed this unsolicited RSVP with his board screen name. Would you honestly want this person, whose name you don’t know, to show up at your door? I wouldn’t.

When did it become wrong to have different opinions? People from CFO opposed the third high school so they, and the candidates who thought most like them, should be vilified? Chris Vickers is often opposed to the leanings of this board so she should be ridiculed and then questioned about her reaction to a personal email she received? This is ridiculous. Aren’t we the society that promotes the free marketplace of ideas?

I’m urging the people of this board to raise the bar some on the quality of the debate. Discuss the issues, not the people. Promote those candidates you feel most agree with your views. Welcome people with differing opinions and don’t attack them personally because they disagree with you. Isn’t this what we’re supposed to be teaching our kids?

[pink]

klsemom,

perfectly said.

[bob]

Chris Vickers is often opposed to the leanings of this board so she should be ridiculed and then questioned about her reaction to a personal email she received?

She made her reaction to the e-mail public.. If she didn't want to be questioned about it then don't tell a newspaper and then send out a follow up e-mail about it.

When did it become wrong to have different opinions?

So we can't question a public figure when they bring a subject up in the public?

[doctorwho]

klsemom said:

I’ve been a long-time reader of this board. It's a great place to learn about what's going on in the district from people who genuinely seem to want what's best. At the beginning, it seemed also to be a pretty good place to go to get a variety of opinions. During this past election, however, I do feel that it changed. I do agree with a lot of the newspaper coverage of this board.

IMO, before the elections, the tone of the board became quite hostile and yes, a little ridiculous - does anyone really care about where campaign signs were placed? The amount of background research done on these people became, quite frankly, a little creepy.

I did receive the inappropriate (my opinion) email from the active member of this board responding to a candidate coffee in a private home. I found his tone to be fairly offensive, implying the he was inviting himself to challenge these candidates (because I guess we attendees wouldn’t know what to ask) and that he might bring some friends with him. He then signed this unsolicited RSVP with his board screen name. Would you honestly want this person, whose name you don’t know, to show up at your door? I wouldn’t.

When did it become wrong to have different opinions? People from CFO opposed the third high school so they, and the candidates who thought most like them, should be vilified? Chris Vickers is often opposed to the leanings of this board so she should be ridiculed and then questioned about her reaction to a personal email she received? This is ridiculous. Aren’t we the society that promotes the free marketplace of ideas?

I’m urging the people of this board to raise the bar some on the quality of the debate. Discuss the issues, not the people. Promote those candidates you feel most agree with your views. Welcome people with differing opinions and don’t attack them personally because they disagree with you. Isn’t this what we’re supposed to be teaching our kids?

As a long time reader of this board you should also be aware that there are plenty of opposing opinions.

You single out CV. Let me ask you this question; has there not been over the top comments made about Jeanette Clark ? Mark Metzger ? Howie Crouse ? or pick whatever person you choose. How many posters have actively stated they want JC out and all the reasons they have why ? If she was up for re election this past time do you not think that would have been off the charts the other way ?

Why is it made to sound like there is only 1 viewpoint on this board when that is just false. There are just as many active posters that disagree with the status quo ( if you want to call it that ). I use that because many of the mods that started this board had a singular view of passing the referendum, so yes there was a common thread there. However, one current mod. was anti referendum when they started here...and for a long time after. And from what I can tell there are also differences in opinion on a number of issues between the mods....I won't attempt to speak for them.

There were other boards that leaned heavily the other way...they either restricted membership or went away.....if it was wrong to have different opinions here then registration would be limited....or emails would go to a select few --- I find the opposite to be true.

So I disagree with these parts of your statement, but agree with your right to post your opinions and am glad there is a forum for you to do so.
btw - I am glad you took the time to post, as I still do find this a place to get multiple sides of discussions....

[movingforward]

pink said:

klsemom,

perfectly said.

Pink, Has CV ever posted here?

[bob]

Would you honestly want this person, whose name you don’t know, to show up at your door? I wouldn’t.

I certainly wouldn't but I also wouldn't do a coffee/fundraiser by sending a e-mail.

[movingforward]

klsemom said:

I’ve been a long-time reader of this board. It's a great place to learn about what's going on in the district from people who genuinely seem to want what's best. At the beginning, it seemed also to be a pretty good place to go to get a variety of opinions. During this past election, however, I do feel that it changed. I do agree with a lot of the newspaper coverage of this board.

IMO, before the elections, the tone of the board became quite hostile and yes, a little ridiculous - does anyone really care about where campaign signs were placed? The amount of background research done on these people became, quite frankly, a little creepy.

I did receive the inappropriate (my opinion) email from the active member of this board responding to a candidate coffee in a private home. I found his tone to be fairly offensive, implying the he was inviting himself to challenge these candidates (because I guess we attendees wouldn’t know what to ask) and that he might bring some friends with him. He then signed this unsolicited RSVP with his board screen name. Would you honestly want this person, whose name you don’t know, to show up at your door? I wouldn’t.

When did it become wrong to have different opinions? People from CFO opposed the third high school so they, and the candidates who thought most like them, should be vilified? Chris Vickers is often opposed to the leanings of this board so she should be ridiculed and then questioned about her reaction to a personal email she received? This is ridiculous. Aren’t we the society that promotes the free marketplace of ideas?

I’m urging the people of this board to raise the bar some on the quality of the debate. Discuss the issues, not the people. Promote those candidates you feel most agree with your views. Welcome people with differing opinions and don’t attack them personally because they disagree with you. Isn’t this what we’re supposed to be teaching our kids?

The quality of debate on this board IMO has always been very respectable.

IMO opinion your comments are unsubstantiated.

But I respect your right to express your opinion nonetheless.

[pink]

Movingforward,

I would have no idea who posts here.

[concerned]

No matter who the email was sent to, it was in poor taste and unnecessary. There are some SB members I would like to see go, but would never send them an email such as the one sent.

[Arch]

klsemom said:

When did it become wrong to have different opinions? People from CFO opposed the third high school so they, and the candidates who thought most like them, should be vilified? Chris Vickers is often opposed to the leanings of this board so she should be ridiculed and then questioned about her reaction to a personal email she received? This is ridiculous. Aren’t we the society that promotes the free marketplace of ideas?

I’m urging the people of this board to raise the bar some on the quality of the debate. Discuss the issues, not the people. Promote those candidates you feel most agree with your views. Welcome people with differing opinions and don’t attack them personally because they disagree with you. Isn’t this what we’re supposed to be teaching our kids?

You're right. To be fair, there were personal attacks on the SB as a whole from some posters, for example:
Posted by D204taxpayer on 4/10/07

"I respectfully disagree. Solid, respectible, credible boundary criteria should be developed and written in policy. The "natural" aspect equates to me to be put some parents on an advisory committee with personal interests and agendas and let the free for all begin. The SB sits backs, administration sets the stage, leads them around by their noses, joyfully watches the ugly cat fights, brushes off the dust, washes off the blood, some agendas win, others lose, SB walks away clean as a whistle, blames the committee for the outcome; beautiful!

Please don't kid yourself--The ability to manipulate boundary criteria and boundaries equates to power over the children and parents."
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and:
Dec 29, 2006
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"Are you the puppeteer, bob, or one of many puppets? Why all the worry about CV?"
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And a good one 4/8/07 by Ric:
"There will be consequences for hiding the Macom property from the public

and

lying to the tax payers the current situation of overcrowding, of which there is none.

Also, the sb has not guaranteed any YES voter that boundaries will not change

BOUNDARIES WILL CHANGE

They have treated the dist 204 taxpayers like mushrooms

1. kept in the dark

2. fed horsesh##

3. and expected to grow

Thousands scream ENOUGH

Good bye Mark Metzger,,,it was nice knowing you

Good bye Curt Bradshaw........a puppet

Good bye Alka Tyle,,,your are unfortunately status quo"

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Ut Oh.. were those threats too? Quick, call the authorities!


Personally I have to wonder if 'ric' wrote the 'goodbye/goodnight' email... but that's my own question to myself... it just sounds way too similar to his posting above.

[movingforward]

concerned said:

No matter who the email was sent to, it was in poor taste and unnecessary. There are some SB members I would like to see go, but would never send them an email such as the one sent.

perhaps, but there is a difference between poor judgement and an intended threat.

[concerned]

true, but still in poor taste.

[gatordog]

klsemom said:

IMO, before the elections, the tone of the board became quite hostile and yes, a little ridiculous - does anyone really care about where campaign signs were placed? The amount of background research done on these people became, quite frankly, a little creepy.

First and foremost...Welcome aboard, kslemom!

I am wondering some specifics of what you found "creepy". What is creepy about:
-Looking at the school report card of a candidate who is in the administration there?
-Looking at who signed petitions, which are a requirement for somebody to run for office?
-Looking at State Board of Elections campaign financing paper work?

All these to me are public records, things we voters have a right to see. I found all the work and research done by those who publicized these things to be very valuable. I was able to be a MUCH more informed voter because of this work. I call it good citizenship....not creepy! Maybe you were referring to something else, klse?

klsemom said:

I did receive the inappropriate (my opinion) email from the active member of this board responding to a candidate coffee in a private home. I found his tone to be fairly offensive, implying the he was inviting himself to challenge these candidates (because I guess we attendees wouldn’t know what to ask) and that he might bring some friends with him. He then signed this unsolicited RSVP with his board screen name. Would you honestly want this person, whose name you don’t know, to show up at your door? I wouldn’t.

I am almost certain I didnt get this email during the election. I dont recall anything like this. I do take your word for this, ksle. Its sounds like it wasnt very useful voter information. Gee useless info arriving via email, imagine that ;)But to me, a separate email sent by anybody is not relevent to this Message Board. I bet if the words or tone you described were put on this board, it would have been roundly condemned. So to me, this is water under the bridge (and this Message Board isnt even the bridge!)

klsemom said:

I’m urging the people of this board to raise the bar some on the quality of the debate. Discuss the issues, not the people. Promote those candidates you feel most agree with your views. Welcome people with differing opinions and don’t attack them personally because they disagree with you. Isn’t this what we’re supposed to be teaching our kids?

Bravo...very well said! I completely agree. And this holds to ALL sides of the issues.

[wvhsparent]

concerned said:

true, but still in poor taste.

I think everyone here agrees it was in poor taste and a lapse in judgement.

From now on only those who can honeslty say they NEVER have said or done anything in poor taste or had a momentary lapse of reason (Pink Floyd flashback) can continue to pass judgement.