LTE 1/3/08 - Naperville Sun

[d204mom]

What is it about Eola that makes it 'safe' to cross (no bus service) and Mt. 59 that makes it 'unsafe'? Number of lanes?

[momto4]

d204mom said:

What is it about Eola that makes it 'safe' to cross (no bus service) and Mt. 59 that makes it 'unsafe'? Number of lanes?

I don't know the official reason, but just looking at them it seems obvious.

Lower speed limit, crosswalk, fewer lanes, less traffic.

[wvhsparent]

momto4 said:

d204mom said:

What is it about Eola that makes it 'safe' to cross (no bus service) and Mt. 59 that makes it 'unsafe'? Number of lanes?

I don't know the official reason, but just looking at them it seems obvious.

Lower speed limit, crosswalk, fewer lanes, less traffic.

In addition WVHS staff controls the traffic light manually at the north entrance on Eola Rd, in the Mornings...not sure about after school.

[proschool]

gatordog said:

I doublechecked lacy and gatormom on the bus routes. They are correct, the neighorhood around Mcc has no bus to WV.

Mcc walkers to WV: the area west of RR tracks and south of creek feeding Waubonsie Lake. (nice natural barrier). Most extreme walk is about 0.9 mi.

Mcc bussers to WV: closest one is at Aspen and S Oakhurst Dr, just north of the creek. Across the street from Oakhurst Community park. This stop would be 0.8 mi walk to WV. This is route WVH 021/221.

Steck walkers to WV: the area south of Waubonsie Lake. Furthest walk is <0.5 mi (again, based on nice natural barrier.) I counted houses in this area. There are about 180 homes here.

Steck bussers to WV: area just north of Waubonsee lake are bussed. Closest stop Waterbury and Chatfield, about 0.4 mi. But consistent with rest of neighborhood where bus is running. This is route WVH 024/224

So if MCC and ST were bussed to the AME site how many extra busses will be necessary? It seems to me that most or all of the would be walkers can get on busses that are already in the nieghborhood. At the it might mean one extra bus for each area but it might not men any.

[gatordog]

proschool said:

So if MCC and ST were bussed to the AME site how many extra busses will be necessary? It seems to me that most or all of the would be walkers can get on busses that are already in the nieghborhood. At the it might mean one extra bus for each area but it might not men any.

I will take a guess, in order of likelyhood:

a. If you draw the line and keep at WV Steck and Mcc walkers as currently defined (south of Waubonsee lake and creek)...zero extra buses

b. If you change Mcc ES single-family home area from walkers...one (maybe two?) extra bus

c. If you change Steck walkers and the Mcc apt/townhome walkers to busing...one extra bus for each side maybe? (I wont worry to much about this case since I dont think its plausible. These areas are <0.5 mi from WV and should walk there)

[gatordog]

wvhsparent said:

momto4 said:

I don't know the official reason, but just looking at them it seems obvious.

Lower speed limit, crosswalk, fewer lanes, less traffic.

In addition WVHS staff controls the traffic light manually at the north entrance on Eola Rd, in the Mornings...not sure about after school.

in addition to the above reasons (and I think this is a significant reason) ....
NV is set back 1/2 mile from route 59. Contrast this with WV, which is ~100 ft off Eola. Once you get to the 59/95th intersection (are their sidewalks?) you still have a good walk ahead of you.

The closest single family home in Tall grass is at least a mile walk from NV. Contrast this with the walker areas we looked at for WV (Mcc and Steck)....for them the furthest walker house is <1 mi

[d204mom]

gatordog said:

wvhsparent said:

In addition WVHS staff controls the traffic light manually at the north entrance on Eola Rd, in the Mornings...not sure about after school.

in addition to the above reasons (and I think this is a significant reason) ....
NV is set back 1/2 mile from route 59. Contrast this with WV, which is ~100 ft off Eola. Once you get to the 59/95th intersection (are their sidewalks?) you still have a good walk ahead of you.

The closest single family home in Tall grass is at least a mile walk from NV. Contrast this with the walker areas we looked at for WV (Mcc and Steck)....for them the furthest walker house is <1 mi

Those are all great reasons but I guess I was asking for the legal reason we receive bus funding for all of Tall Grass.

[macy]

gatordog said:

wvhsparent said:

In addition WVHS staff controls the traffic light manually at the north entrance on Eola Rd, in the Mornings...not sure about after school.

in addition to the above reasons (and I think this is a significant reason) ....
NV is set back 1/2 mile from route 59. Contrast this with WV, which is ~100 ft off Eola. Once you get to the 59/95th intersection (are their sidewalks?) you still have a good walk ahead of you.

The closest single family home in Tall grass is at least a mile walk from NV. Contrast this with the walker areas we looked at for WV (Mcc and Steck)....for them the furthest walker house is <1 mi

The north end of TG off deering bay is closer to the main campus of NVHS than "at least" one mile. Drove from one house on that street the other day and the car read .89 miles. Just checked it on mapquest which registers it as .9.

If were going to be technical..... Just wanted to clarify there are homes within TG within the one mile or less radius.

[slp]

macy said:

gatordog said:

in addition to the above reasons (and I think this is a significant reason) ....
NV is set back 1/2 mile from route 59. Contrast this with WV, which is ~100 ft off Eola. Once you get to the 59/95th intersection (are their sidewalks?) you still have a good walk ahead of you.

The closest single family home in Tall grass is at least a mile walk from NV. Contrast this with the walker areas we looked at for WV (Mcc and Steck)....for them the furthest walker house is <1 mi

The north end of TG off deering bay is closer to the main campus of NVHS than "at least" one mile. Drove from one on that street the other day and the car read .89 miles. Just checked it on mapquest which registers it as .9.

If were going to be technical..... Just wanted to clarify there are homes within TG within the one mile or less radius.

what percentage of homes in TG would you estimate are .9 miles or less to NVHS?

Only seems like a handful from my viewpoint . Not sure why this all matters, but wanted to add my 2 cents.

[EagleDad]

slp said:

what percentage of homes in TG would you estimate are .9 miles or less to NVHS?

Only seems like a handful from my viewpoint . Not sure why this all matters, but wanted to add my 2 cents.

Probably the same percentage as in White Eagle

[slp]

eagledad said:

slp said:

what percentage of homes in TG would you estimate are .9 miles or less to NVHS?

Only seems like a handful from my viewpoint . Not sure why this all matters, but wanted to add my 2 cents.

Probably the same percentage as in White Eagle

True. I wasn't arguing anything just stating an observation.

Isn't it a given that WE is out of NVHS in every scenario anyway? I got past that a long time ago.

[momto4]

d204mom - is there a point to all this or are you just bored? Not sure why all this needs to be figured out right now when we might hear some news about the site in a week.

[macy]

slp said:

macy said:

The north end of TG off deering bay is closer to the main campus of NVHS than "at least" one mile. Drove from one on that street the other day and the car read .89 miles. Just checked it on mapquest which registers it as .9.

If were going to be technical..... Just wanted to clarify there are homes within TG within the one mile or less radius.

what percentage of homes in TG would you estimate are .9 miles or less to NVHS?

Only seems like a handful from my viewpoint . Not sure why this all matters, but wanted to add my 2 cents.

It would imagine a small amount in TG, more if you count the FRY kids that come from Remington townhomes (and there are more than you think).

I was really only trying to point out that the "at least" one mile for the closest TG house was not correct. I was not stating a great majority were that close.

[Arch]

From Watts area to any HS I think we come close to the threshold that the bus has a reclining sleeper seat and must have in-trip meal service

[EagleDad]

gatordog said:

proschool said:

So if MCC and ST were bussed to the AME site how many extra busses will be necessary? It seems to me that most or all of the would be walkers can get on busses that are already in the nieghborhood. At the it might mean one extra bus for each area but it might not men any.

I will take a guess, in order of likelyhood:

a. If you draw the line and keep at WV Steck and Mcc walkers as currently defined (south of Waubonsee lake and creek)...zero extra buses

b. If you change Mcc ES single-family home area from walkers...one (maybe two?) extra bus

c. If you change Steck walkers and the Mcc apt/townhome walkers to busing...one extra bus for each side maybe? (I wont worry to much about this case since I dont think its plausible. These areas are <0.5 mi from WV and should walk there)

Given that, gatordog what would you think of a third option in your boundary proposals that had Watts, Cowlishaw, and Owen all at WVHS, but bussed Steck and McCarty up to the north?

I'd like your thoughts