LTE 1/3/08 - Naperville Sun

[d204mom]

momto4 said:

d204mom - is there a point to all this or are you just bored? Not sure why all this needs to be figured out right now when we might hear some news about the site in a week.

Yes there is a point. But who cares if I'm just bored? Does it matter one way or the other?

Oh, yes, another week. We might hear something in another week. How reassuring. I guess we'll all just sit back and wait another week, month, year, or two and see what the great and powerful OZ school board instructs us to do.

[EagleDad]

slp said:

Isn't it a given that WE is out of NVHS in every scenario anyway? I got past that a long time ago.

As did I, mon fraire!

[doctorwho]

archwinsome said:

From Watts area to any HS I think we come close to the threshold that the bus has a reclining sleeper seat and must have in-trip meal service

Welcome aboard Arch -- ;D

Maybe they will put someone on the bus -- ala music on a cart . We have enough time for at least one period - maybe we can get a mobile instructor and not waste that time -

[doctorwho]

eagledad said:

gatordog said:

I will take a guess, in order of likelyhood:

a. If you draw the line and keep at WV Steck and Mcc walkers as currently defined (south of Waubonsee lake and creek)...zero extra buses

b. If you change Mcc ES single-family home area from walkers...one (maybe two?) extra bus

c. If you change Steck walkers and the Mcc apt/townhome walkers to busing...one extra bus for each side maybe? (I wont worry to much about this case since I dont think its plausible. These areas are <0.5 mi from WV and should walk there)

Given that, gatordog what would you think of a third option in your boundary proposals that had Watts, Cowlishaw, and Owen all at WVHS, but bussed Steck and McCarty up to the north?

I'd like your thoughts

the issue is # of students

Steck 663 + McCarty 673 = 1336 total students
Watts 538 + Cowlishaw 595 + Owen 561 = 1694

Even if all McC and Steck ( including all walkers ) were sent north - still need another school ( and I can't see bussing real walkers)-

thereis a scenario for whatyou ask in the spreadsheets we have and it leaves;

3697 total studentsto feed MV 89.5 ISAT
4287 WV 90.9
5261 NV 93.7

take out true walkers and at least of the 3 have to go north

[lacy]

slp said:

macy said:

The north end of TG off deering bay is closer to the main campus of NVHS than "at least" one mile. Drove from one on that street the other day and the car read .89 miles. Just checked it on mapquest which registers it as .9.

If were going to be technical..... Just wanted to clarify there are homes within TG within the one mile or less radius.

what percentage of homes in TG would you estimate are .9 miles or less to NVHS?

Only seems like a handful from my viewpoint . Not sure why this all matters, but wanted to add my 2 cents.

When we looked at this before, there were alot more homes than I would have thought. East of Tallgrass drive, pretty much.

So I think it matters, SLP - wanting to "take us along" again?

[slp]

lacy said:

slp said:

what percentage of homes in TG would you estimate are .9 miles or less to NVHS?

Only seems like a handful from my viewpoint . Not sure why this all matters, but wanted to add my 2 cents.

When we looked at this before, there were alot more homes than I would have thought. East of Tallgrass drive, pretty much.

So I think it matters, SLP - wanting to "take us along" again?

that's your chip not mine!

[gatormom]

lacy said:

slp said:

what percentage of homes in TG would you estimate are .9 miles or less to NVHS?

Only seems like a handful from my viewpoint . Not sure why this all matters, but wanted to add my 2 cents.

When we looked at this before, there were alot more homes than I would have thought. East of Tallgrass drive, pretty much.

So I think it matters, SLP - wanting to "take us along" again?

lacy, just my thoughts and it really doesn't matter but I don't think Fry is going to Neuqua unless the mystery site is further south.

BB was pretty central and the difference for Fry and Spring Brook made it a difficult decision. If a northern site is selected, I just see Spring Brook having a better chance of staying at Neuqua than Fry.

[Arch]

Pardon the dumb question, but which subdivision is SB ?

[gatormom]

archwinsome said:

Pardon the dumb question, but which subdivision is SB ?

Sorry, should have written it out. Spring Brook. My bad. I will edit to correct.

[lacy]

slp said:

lacy said:

When we looked at this before, there were alot more homes than I would have thought. East of Tallgrass drive, pretty much.

So I think it matters, SLP - wanting to "take us along" again?

that's your chip not mine!

You seem awfully concerned where TG is placed - whereas I haven't spent much time trying to figure out (or lobby) where other areas may go.

Just an observation.

[lacy]

gatormom said:

lacy said:

When we looked at this before, there were alot more homes than I would have thought. East of Tallgrass drive, pretty much.

So I think it matters, SLP - wanting to "take us along" again?

lacy, just my thoughts and it really doesn't matter but I don't think Fry is going to Neuqua unless the mystery site is further south.

BB was pretty central and the difference for Fry and Spring Brook made it a difficult decision. If a northern site is selected, I just see Spring Brook having a better chance of staying at Neuqua than Fry.

Just my thoughts also....we have no idea where or when the school will be built. But you seem sure where TG will go? Why is that? Will certain areas be used to "balance" no matter where they build the school? I'm wondering if that's constitutional.

[gatormom]

lacy said:

gatormom said:

lacy, just my thoughts and it really doesn't matter but I don't think Fry is going to Neuqua unless the mystery site is further south.

BB was pretty central and the difference for Fry and Spring Brook made it a difficult decision. If a northern site is selected, I just see Spring Brook having a better chance of staying at Neuqua than Fry.

Just my thoughts also....we have no idea where or when the school will be built. But you seem sure where TG will go? Why is that? Will certain areas be used to "balance" no matter where they build the school? I'm wondering if that's constitutional.

Certain? I am not certain about anything lacy. I am making a guess. My guess is that the distance for Spring Brook to travel to Waubonsie will be longer than Fry's and that will be used in deciding who stays at Neuqua IF a northern site is selected.

I won't even touch the balancing and constitutional thing, you really walk a thin line sometimes lacy.

[gatordog]

doctorwho said:

eagledad said:

Given that, gatordog what would you think of a third option in your boundary proposals that had Watts, Cowlishaw, and Owen all at WVHS, but bussed Steck and McCarty up to the north?

I'd like your thoughts

the issue is # of students

Steck 663 + McCarty 673 = 1336 total students
Watts 538 + Cowlishaw 595 + Owen 561 = 1694

Even if all McC and Steck ( including all walkers ) were sent north - still need another school ( and I can't see bussing real walkers)-

thereis a scenario for whatyou ask in the spreadsheets we have and it leaves;

3697 total studentsto feed MV 89.5 ISAT
4287 WV 90.9
5261 NV 93.7

take out true walkers and at least of the 3 have to go north

good question Eagledad.

I will loosely interpret this as the vast bulk of Steck and Mcc going north MV(minus walkers). While Cowl and vast bulk of Watts (minus future Leigh station growth area) goes to WV.

1. Next in line to go north? Try Meadow Lake/Chicory... say 20% of Gombert and 50% of Owen (west part).

If 75% St/Mcc is non walkers....drwho's numbers breakdown as:

75% (Steck 663 + McCarty 673) + 20 % (500 Gom) + 50% (Owen 561) = ~1400 total students
Watts 538 + Cowlishaw 595 + 50% (Owen 561) = ~1400

This pretty near meets eagledad's criteria. (I cheated by splitting Owen).

I do not think this is good option for my friends and neighbors in Meadows/Chicory. Yes its them getting the third furthest HS (by far). And this is an area without a neighborhood ES. Extremely underserved, in my opinion.

2. Another version, dont split Owen and send all of Gombert North:
75% (Steck 663 + McCarty 673) + 500 Gom = ~1500 total students
Watts 538 + Cowlishaw 595 + Owen 561 = 1694
Still not enough...then maybe you split part of Cowl Mccoy portion to north?

I dont have Mcc or Cowl breakdowns exactly but......this would have three of the four lowest achievement schools at MV North. And potentially a good portion of Cowlishaws lower performing students as well. And Gombert would be an island....actually even worse, to separate small islands.

[doctorwho]

lacy said:

gatormom said:

lacy, just my thoughts and it really doesn't matter but I don't think Fry is going to Neuqua unless the mystery site is further south.

BB was pretty central and the difference for Fry and Spring Brook made it a difficult decision. If a northern site is selected, I just see Spring Brook having a better chance of staying at Neuqua than Fry.

Just my thoughts also....we have no idea where or when the school will be built. But you seem sure where TG will go? Why is that? Will certain areas be used to "balance" no matter where they build the school? I'm wondering if that's constitutional.

Since there are 8 ES within 1 point of Fry plus or minus I am not sure how that would be viewed as only one area being used to balance --

I would view it as geographical - I an easily see how they would use 59 as a demarkation line ( right or wrong) depending on what site chosen as TG may be closer to NV than say Builta- but if Builta was taken out - they would have to pass NV to get to anything else.

Of course coming from a gypsy ES that may get sent anywhere at any distance- what the heck do I know -

[casey]

lacy said:

Will certain areas be used to "balance" no matter where they build the school? I'm wondering if that's constitutional.

Just wondering if FRY were a true minority school with under-achieving students (granted we don't have that anywhere in 204) whether moving them to a farther school just to balance achievement would be allowed? I'd think Jessie would be standing on the corner. My point is, one has to be careful with regards to reverse discrimination.