Naperville Sun On-Line Poll for Metea Site

[lacy]

gatormom said:

lacy said:

This whole WVHS/NVHS thing doesn't have anything to do with this issue. I think it's a red herring. Meant to stir up lots of you know what so we don't focus on the real issues.

Actually, IMO, it does. The issue is, this builder has tried to sell homes with Neuqua and then lost that. The housing market has slumped and now, in an effort to save his "you know what" he blames Waubonsie as the problem. And on top of it all, we are expected to believe that his offer of no savings whatsoever to the district and no savings in time will bring the district together as one big, happy family. Yes it is all about WV/NV in this builder's eyes.

I can see your point regarding the developer. But to extend that to the community is a mistake.

[lacy]

I also think that if the Macom site benefits the district, that's all that should matter.

[macy]

eagledad said:

macy said:

If there is an alternate site to build a 3rd school at a much more fiscally beneficial price and timely way may it be the Macom site or an alternate location, what would the argument be from anyone in the district???

Sounds great, where is this site you speak of?

Good question.... Didn't the SB give us some sites during the referendum? Are they all unavailable now? I sure hope not considering how poorly I think the advancement on BB has been.

[gatormom]

lacy said:

I also think that if the Macom site benefits the district, that's all that should matter.

And so far an offer has not been made to benefit the district. Ball is in Macom's court.

[warriorpride]

macy said:

gatormom said:

Actually, I completely disagree there. I think more good came from that than will ever be known. The problems with the perception of Waubonsie were brought to light and the repair of the image of a great school was underway. Of course, it only took 1 builder, 1 interview with the Naperville Sun to try and tear that work apart.

Gatormom,

I couldn't disagree more. I never had a perception problem with Waubonsie. Never thought a single bad thought about it, still don't. It's a fabulous school. But, in my opinion, that was an issue that was magnified, even harmed by the way in which the boundary discussion went. I don't see much agreement/harmony since then. Yet, I see the opposite. Somehow, pathetically (again my opinion) it's become North vs. South where in my mind and many I speak with, it was never that before. That does nothing to unite, yet is quite divisive.

Since then, I've seen little from both camps to begin unity.

I'm not saying the problem didn't exist. I probably did. Bringing it into the boundary decision, in my opinion, did more harm than good to all of us. But, what happened, happened and those of us that care will work towards a more positive place.

I'm done talkin' about Macom (per the closed thread), but I AM interested in the north vs. south thing.

Macy:
What are some recent examples of this playing out? What do you mean by "camps"? What would you expect to see as far "unity"? What should be done?

[doctorwho]

gatormom said:

lacy said:

I also think that if the Macom site benefits the district, that's all that should matter.

And so far an offer has not been made to benefit the district. Ball is in Macom's court.

Lacy,
Why keep repeating that the MACOM site favors the district when it is $12 million dollars more than the current bid on BB - not counting any and all additional costs ?

Please show the math on how that is beneficial to the district ?

[doctorwho]

macy said:

eagledad said:

Sounds great, where is this site you speak of?

Good question.... Didn't the SB give us some sites during the referendum? Are they all unavailable now? I sure hope not considering how poorly I think the advancement on BB has been.

If you remember many of those sites we deemed unbuildable due to so many issues - gee like huge power lines across the area. And some of those properties like the one in Bolingbrook that the mayor of BB wanted no part in selling to the SD - already has houses being built on it.

[EagleDad]

macy said:

eagledad said:

Sounds great, where is this site you speak of?

Good question.... Didn't the SB give us some sites during the referendum? Are they all unavailable now? I sure hope not considering how poorly I think the advancement on BB has been.

Yes, they gave a complete list of about 8 sites with evaluations on each and a weighted conclusion that resulted in Brach-Brodie.

I really think any of those other sites would have taken just as long as BB. They all involved emminent domain.

[EagleDad]

Is anyone else wondering like me... why do these 20 page threads always start up at night, leading into the weekend?

Is there a full moon out or something?

[doctorwho]

macy said:

bob said:

You can't eliminate copper wiring or plumbing. The school would never pass code.

I'd hate for something from the actual building to be eliminated due to higher than anticipated land cost.

This is the part I don't get - you are against higher than anticipated land costs - but an extra $12 million ( plus all costs for line movements etc uncalculated yet) for MACOM would be just fine ? Why is that ? It can't be the $

[gatormom]

doctorwho said:

macy said:

I'd hate for something from the actual building to be eliminated due to higher than anticipated land cost.

This is the part I don't get - you are against higher than anticipated land costs - but an extra $12 million ( plus all costs for line movements etc uncalculated yet) for MACOM would be just fine ? Why is that ? It can't be the $

I don't know Dr. Who. Seems to me, moving forward with Macom would be a step backward for the district. I guess some people would be happy to see the district move backward and away from a new high school, only my opinion of course.

[macy]

doctorwho said:

macy said:

I'd hate for something from the actual building to be eliminated due to higher than anticipated land cost.

This is the part I don't get - you are against higher than anticipated land costs - but an extra $12 million ( plus all costs for line movements etc uncalculated yet) for MACOM would be just fine ? Why is that ? It can't be the $

Let me clarify... From my perspective I can deal with higher land costs. But, if you put the equation as higher land costs+higher building/construction costs+ delayed opening... it equals something I am not in favor of if there is an alternate site available to us. The time to consider an alternate is now if not 6 months ago.

I don't think the Macom site is the only alternate available but, it's the only thing I've heard discussed and my ultimate concern is the lack of a plan B. Many may be confident in the outcome of BB but I cannot be at this point.

[doctorwho]

gatormom said:

macy said:

. . . and the biggest price/cost of all is what the boundary fight did to the residents in the district. Total division that will take years to settle down.

Actually, I completely disagree there. I think more good came from that than will ever be known. The problems with the perception of Waubonsie were brought to light and the repair of the image of a great school was underway. Of course, it only took 1 builder, 1 interview with the Naperville Sun to try and tear that work apart.

While the boundary issue was ugly, and some continue to perpetuate the division, we were going to have to go through that whether we passed the referendum the year before or not. The difference is the high school would now already be under construction and opening in 2008, and the rest of the issues being rehashed over and over, would be past.

We can thank an organized effort by some groups who managed to stifle the first referendum, as well as the miscalculation by the SD as to having to get the word and inofrmation out like was done the second time around.

[macy]

warriorpride said:

macy said:

Gatormom,

I couldn't disagree more. I never had a perception problem with Waubonsie. Never thought a single bad thought about it, still don't. It's a fabulous school. But, in my opinion, that was an issue that was magnified, even harmed by the way in which the boundary discussion went. I don't see much agreement/harmony since then. Yet, I see the opposite. Somehow, pathetically (again my opinion) it's become North vs. South where in my mind and many I speak with, it was never that before. That does nothing to unite, yet is quite divisive.

Since then, I've seen little from both camps to begin unity.

I'm not saying the problem didn't exist. I probably did. Bringing it into the boundary decision, in my opinion, did more harm than good to all of us. But, what happened, happened and those of us that care will work towards a more positive place.

I'm done talkin' about Macom (per the closed thread), but I AM interested in the north vs. south thing.

Macy:
What are some recent examples of this playing out? What do you mean by "camps"? What would you expect to see as far "unity"? What should be done?

Warriorpride

This is really a more important issue to me than where the school ends up. A perfect example of where this plays out would be the dialog on this board. I don't have the answer on how to solve what's occurred. But it does concern me deeply. I wish I had the answer to what could be done. But I don't.

[macy]

eagledad said:

Is anyone else wondering like me... why do these 20 page threads always start up at night, leading into the weekend?

Is there a full moon out or something?

True.

Very funny!