One parcel, two trials?

[warriorpride]

lacy said:

momto4 said:

It's my opinion that the students at Metea in the early years will NOT have the same opportunities as the students in the other schools regardless of facilities because they will be missing the juniors and seniors. Academically this should be fine, but it will affect most extra-curriculars and some elective courses.

And this is acceptable to you? I think it would not be to many.

Overcrowding is not acceptable to many. Some people are "sacrificing" right now. some have been sacrificing, and some may need to sacrifice a bit in the future. Everyone will live through it, though.

[warriorpride]

harry said:

doctorwho said:

OK -- although I never remember seeing any plan that allowed architecturally for an addition to WV - I will take your word for it

so $25- $40 M for WV

and how much for NV ? lets say another $25-$40M

then a new middle school ( that we now get back from WV Gold ) -

starting to look like a familiar number ? And what do we end up with - 2 high schools at 5000+ each - NV likely larger ! The logistics at NV do not work for the enrollment now - lets add another 1000 - 1500 students to those hallways --

Nope, build a new MS on the property that the SB felt a need to purchase 2 1/2 YEARS AGO (couldn't we have opened the doors on a new MS in 2 1/2 years???)

keep the gold campuses, frontier and add portables and/or additions where needed on the HS

Problem solved

Crappy, temporary solution

[bob]

blankcheck said:

Harry, I agree. It was sold to us a long time ago (with the freshman campuses) that NV could always have additions put onto it. So use the 25 acres for a middle school. As I stated a long time ago, you could even see if COD would offer another off campus site that would be a little easier for WV students to attend as well. Again, we do still have 300 empty seats at Frontier.

Well those 300 are taken by next year assuming that all 300 are seniors that want to go to Frontier. What about the next 500?


2015 9154
2014 9088
2013 9059
2012 9118
2011 9075
2010 8922
2009 8778
2008 8311

[bob]

harry said:

doctorwho said:

OK -- although I never remember seeing any plan that allowed architecturally for an addition to WV - I will take your word for it

so $25- $40 M for WV

and how much for NV ? lets say another $25-$40M

then a new middle school ( that we now get back from WV Gold ) -

starting to look like a familiar number ? And what do we end up with - 2 high schools at 5000+ each - NV likely larger ! The logistics at NV do not work for the enrollment now - lets add another 1000 - 1500 students to those hallways --

Nope, build a new MS on the property that the SB felt a need to purchase 2 1/2 YEARS AGO (couldn't we have opened the doors on a new MS in 2 1/2 years???)

keep the gold campuses, frontier and add portables and/or additions where needed on the HS

Problem solved

And it costs just about what MV is going to cost.

And where is that addition at WV going to go?

[harry]

bob said:

blankcheck said:

Harry, I agree. It was sold to us a long time ago (with the freshman campuses) that NV could always have additions put onto it. So use the 25 acres for a middle school. As I stated a long time ago, you could even see if COD would offer another off campus site that would be a little easier for WV students to attend as well. Again, we do still have 300 empty seats at Frontier.

Well those 300 are taken by next year assuming that all 300 are seniors that want to go to Frontier. What about the next 500?


2015 9154
2014 9088
2013 9059
2012 9118
2011 9075
2010 8922
2009 8778
2008 8311

Thanks for your speculations Bob. They are as accurate as the rest of this board ;D

[bob]

harry said:

bob said:

Well those 300 are taken by next year assuming that all 300 are seniors that want to go to Frontier. What about the next 500?


2015 9154
2014 9088
2013 9059
2012 9118
2011 9075
2010 8922
2009 8778
2008 8311

Thanks for your speculations Bob. They are as accurate as the rest of this board ;D

Those numbers are not speculation those numbers ae what the SD reported. Now if you want you can get all tin foil hattty and say the SD fudge them.

Speculation is what you did in saying we can put an addition on WV without even knowing where it can go.

[harry]

bob said:

harry said:

Nope, build a new MS on the property that the SB felt a need to purchase 2 1/2 YEARS AGO (couldn't we have opened the doors on a new MS in 2 1/2 years???)

keep the gold campuses, frontier and add portables and/or additions where needed on the HS

Problem solved

And it costs just about what MV is going to cost.

And where is that addition at WV going to go?

124 MILLION That's laughable. In addition, when the 'blips' stop, the portables go away and we won't be faced with paying for 25 years for three schools and have one close in 10

ask JC as she was @ the meeting where they disclosed the approximation of an addition to WV

[harry]

bob said:

harry said:

Thanks for your speculations Bob. They are as accurate as the rest of this board ;D

Those numbers are not speculation those numbers the SD reported.

Speculation is what you did in saying we can put an addition on WV without even knowing where it can go.

I didn't know that the SB has a crystal ball!!!!

The SB said that they can put the addition on. I know that that is not what your team wants, but it is a fact that plans were discussed @ Steck with JC and ? who just retired last year??? I am forgetting the dude's name. So why don't you request that they divulge such plans to the community. I mean, we are all for disclosure from the SB!!

[bob]

harry said:

bob said:

And it costs just about what MV is going to cost.

And where is that addition at WV going to go?

124 MILLION That's laughable. In addition, when the 'blips' stop, the portables go away and we won't be faced with paying for 25 years for three schools and have one close in 10

ask JC as she was @ the meeting where they disclosed the approximation of an addition to WV

show me how two huge additions to NV and WV plus a middle school plus 6-7 of portables is going to cost less than $125 million. Naperville Central' addition is going to cost about $47-57 million.
P48
www.naperville203.org/assets/FacilitiesPlanCommunityForum.pdf

Middle school about $30-40 million? Considering an addition to 203 Mill Street cost about $11 mil.

[harry]

bob said:

harry said:

124 MILLION That's laughable. In addition, when the 'blips' stop, the portables go away and we won't be faced with paying for 25 years for three schools and have one close in 10

ask JC as she was @ the meeting where they disclosed the approximation of an addition to WV

show me how two huge additions to NV and WV plus a middle school plus 6-7 of portables is going to cost less than $125 million. Naperville Central' addition is going to cost about $47-57 million.
P48
www.naperville203.org/assets/FacilitiesPlanCommunityForum.pdf

Middle school about $30-40 million? Considering an addition to 203 Mill Street cost about $11 mil.

My bad ...

you're right, as usual bob.

Problem solved...The End

[bob]

harry said:

bob said:

Those numbers are not speculation those numbers the SD reported.

Speculation is what you did in saying we can put an addition on WV without even knowing where it can go.

I didn't know that the SB has a crystal ball!!!!

The SB said that they can put the addition on. I know that that is not what your team wants, but it is a fact that plans were discussed @ Steck with JC and ? who just retired last year??? I am forgetting the dude's name. So why don't you request that they divulge such plans to the community. I mean, we are all for disclosure from the SB!!

Crystal Ball? It is called adding.

Maybe I can explain addition for you,

1 2358
2 2259
3 2324
4 2213
5 2292
6 2230
7 2383
8 2170
F 2139
S 2086
J 1916

The first number is the grade level of the students but don't add that up. The number to right of the grade level is the reported student population for that class. So if you wanted to see the population of this year's class barring any movers in or out of the SD, you will add 1916+2086+2139+2170. Don't foregt to carry the numbers to the next column.

[bob]

harry said:

bob said:

show me how two huge additions to NV and WV plus a middle school plus 6-7 of portables is going to cost less than $125 million. Naperville Central' addition is going to cost about $47-57 million.
P48
www.naperville203.org/assets/FacilitiesPlanCommunityForum.pdf

Middle school about $30-40 million? Considering an addition to 203 Mill Street cost about $11 mil.

My bad ...

you're right, as usual bob.

Problem solved...The End

Not saying I am right, but just using evidence of what a major addition would cost. It took me all of 15 seconds of a Google search to find it.

It is easy to say build additions to NV and WV but even easier to find a ballpark figure of what it would cost.

[doctorwho]

bob said:

harry said:

My bad ...

you're right, as usual bob.

Problem solved...The End

Not saying I am right, but just using evidence of what a major addition would cost. It took me all of 15 seconds of a Google search to find it.

It is easy to say build additions to NV and WV but even easier to find a ballpark figure of what it would cost.

because you actually take the time time to do the math rather than just firing off shells that leave out costs - what's the word for that- oh yeah I readit here - laughable --

like I said originally - we build two additions which leave us with 2 overcrowded huge high schools ( assuming the WV can even be built on - I will check into the pitch that was made to see what was said ) and one middle school and spend the same amount -- great ! Where do we sign ?


Also where is all that concern about construction going on while kids are in school - ( MV) - it's OK when they're adding additions ?

[lacy]

archwinsome said:

So Lacy, what did you mean by benefits outweighing the missed opportunities?

Were you implying that the school should not even open and instead sit idle if that was the case?

Sorry you're stuggling with this, but those were Mom4's words - maybe you should ask her since you're stuck on it.

And to answer your second question, I wouldn't sacrifice the experience of ANY kid in this district just so some people can have their way. If it's no longer what's best for the whole community, then scrap it and move on.

[lacy]

warriorpride said:

casey said:

Aaahhh, Lacy, you figured it out! One is not allowed to make any comment that can be perceived as negative to WVHS but as far as NVHS - have at it!!! I agree I do think there is a double-standard there.

If anyone, God-forbid, stands up and says they want to stay at NVHS they often are challenged but not so at WVHS. Somehow it's allowed and promoted to say one is happy at WVHS (but not always allowed to say it about NVHS) - big surprise? I think not. There's no doubt that most parents are happy at whatever high school their kids are at and most do not want any change. Can't everyone accept the fact that as parents we are all passionate about our kid's school whether it be NVHS or WVHS.

Actually, it's the anti-WV statements that I and others are sick & tired of.

I really haven't noticed any anti-WVHS statements on this board. What I do notice is some serious over-reaction to anything that remotely could be twisted to be anti-WVHS (even if it's just discussion of some of the attitudes displayed at the referendum meetings - from WVHS residents - which I hope has dissipated).