SB Options for BB now

[doctorwho]

bbc said:

The facts are that they under-estimated the numbers at Peterson. WVHS has room. I didn't say that they willfully overstated the numbers (fraud). I said they were inept at estimating them. Their numbers could ultimately prove to be right on but what have they done to instill confidence?

I guess the whole country was inept then because they didn't see the housing downturn. That is the only reason Peterson's numbers are off - is lack of sales in that immediate area which is the attendance area for Peterson.

And considering where a lot of the money for that school came from - I guess there were wrong to go ahead then, rather than wait when they would get no grant money and it would be incrementally more expensive construction cost wise when the housing market cyclically comes back around and that area is built out.

I seriously cannot understand how this continues to be a concern. If they did not take the money allotted to them for construction of Peterson, and waited until Fry and Wheatland were busting at the seams, it would be because they couldn't forecast correctly and screwed up.

[bob]

bbc said:

Then go ahead and pay the $500,000 + per acre to build the school. I am at least willing to admit that we MIGHT need a school but that the price for the SB's location is too high. You want to pay any price because u are convinced we need a new school.

You just said three posts ago

they were probably equally inept at demanding that we absolutely need a new school. NV is crowded but WV has many classes under 20 students. Newly built schools are nearly empty

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I never said pay that much but you went from empty classrooms and faked enrollment numbers to we might need a new HS. Wow

[Arch]

bbc said:

Then go ahead and pay the $500,000 + per acre to build the school. I am at least willing to admit that we MIGHT need a school but that the price for the SB's location is too high. You want to pay any price because u are convinced we need a new school.

How much more will it cost to delay construction for another year or two while we try to turn over more stones in the district looking for a place to get ready to take posession of? How much will we spend when those other kids start swelling the 2 current HS populations beyond where they are right now?

I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts it will net out to more than $15 million but neither you nor I can prove that. Unfortunately we will have to wait for time to march forward and in the meantime do absolutely nothing. People will be happy for that though, because then they can bash the SB for doing nothing when they should have while forgetting the fact that they were complaining about them for being ready to do something.

[bbc]

But I also said we need to start from scratch and look at it all over again because I don't trust them. You are unwilling to consider any alternatives.

[doctorwho]

archwinsome said:

bbc said:

Then go ahead and pay the $500,000 + per acre to build the school. I am at least willing to admit that we MIGHT need a school but that the price for the SB's location is too high. You want to pay any price because u are convinced we need a new school.

How much more will it cost to delay construction for another year or two while we try to turn over more stones in the district looking for a place to get ready to take posession of? How much will we spend when those other kids start swelling the 2 current HS populations beyond where they are right now?

I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts it will net out to more than $15 million but neither you nor I can prove that. Unfortunately we will have to wait for time to march forward and in the meantime do absolutely nothing. People will be happy for that though, because then they can bash the SB for doing nothing when they should have while forgetting the fact that they were complaining about them for being ready to do something.

what can be proved though Arch is how much it costs us to walk away from BB right now in actual $ paid to the estate. Whether one likes the deals made or not - the fact is there is a hard cost walking away that has to be figured into the equation.

[doctorwho]

bbc said:

But I also said we need to start from scratch and look at it all over again because I don't trust them. You are unwilling to consider any alternatives.

I think you need to be more specific in the area you do not trust them. There are hard enrollment numbers through last year that show there will be well over 9000 students in HS in 2 years. What part of mistrust would cause starting from scratch with regards to needing a 3rd high school ?

[bbc]

Where i really mistrust the SB is on their decision making ability than their estimation of the numbers. I had conversations with 2 board members prior to the trial and asked them what the alternatives were if the jury were to come back with high numbers. They said they had no alternatives because they were "highly confident" in their $250,000 number. When I asked them to hypothetically think about a $400,000 to $500,000 number they restated their confidence in their number because their lawyer told them so. What businessman (and thats what they should be with the $ we are talking about) doesn't make alternative plans?

[Arch]

bbc said:

Where i really mistrust the SB is on their decision making ability than their estimation of the numbers. I had conversations with 2 board members prior to the trial and asked them what the alternatives were if the jury were to come back with high numbers. They said they had no alternatives because they were "highly confident" in their $250,000 number. When I asked them to hypothetically think about a $400,000 to $500,000 number they restated their confidence in their number because their lawyer told them so. What businessman (and thats what they should be with the $ we are talking about) doesn't make alternative plans?

What businessman works for free?

[bbc]

I am so tired of that arguement--"You should not hold them accountable because they are doing it for free". They wanted to do it. If they aren't doing a good job someone else will do it for free.

[Arch]

bbc said:

I am so tired of that arguement--"You should not hold them accountable because they are doing it for free". They wanted to do it. If they aren't doing a good job someone else will do it for free.

It's called reality. If you don't like the job they are doing, then please step forward and do better.

[bbc]

if they resign, I am more than willing to dedicate my time.

[doctorwho]

archwinsome said:

bbc said:

I am so tired of that arguement--"You should not hold them accountable because they are doing it for free". They wanted to do it. If they aren't doing a good job someone else will do it for free.

It's called reality. If you don't like the job they are doing, then please step forward and do better.

4 slots open in April 09 - either run or actively support someone who is running -

[Arch]

bbc said:

if they resign, I am more than willing to dedicate my time.

Did you last time someone resigned? I once thought I would but then actually started adding up all the time it would take from my family.... Wasn't for me.

[doctorwho]

bbc said:

if they resign, I am more than willing to dedicate my time.

great - we expect if there are any resignations ( as there have been at least 3 in the last 5 years or so for various reasons ) you will apply. The last time there was an opening and 30 people applied - were you one of them - more than a few people here were.

After witnessing first hand what all the candidates went through in the last election, this is not something to be taken lightly.

Although 30 people applied for the open spot - a whole lot less decided to actually run a campaign and go through that.

[doctorwho]

archwinsome said:

bbc said:

if they resign, I am more than willing to dedicate my time.

Did you last time someone resigned? I once thought I would but then actually started adding up all the time it would take from my family.... Wasn't for me.

It's not only the time -- as many of us put in tons of hours on the referendum, it's the toll on ones person and family.

I went thru the interview process last time and would gladly have accepted, but after working on campaigns this time, and seeing what 'stuff' ALL candidates put up with over the course of 6 - 8 weeks, the nastiness that affects not only them, but their families as well....anyone better think long and hard before running in 2009. People seem to forget these are residents of this district who live and sometimes work here, with children of their own etc.