Macom site consequences

[gatormom]

We obviously have very different ideas of the job that the SB does. Me, I am waiting for the information, you want a daily update. Guess we will both have to wait until the information is available and then, decide for ourselves if we agree with any decisions made.

[casey]

One of the very few things that I ever heard MM say that I actually agreed with was "only in 204 would you have parents fighting to not go to a new high school!" That is so true! Everyone has their own reasons for wanting particular boundaries but to avoid looking at other land options just to avoid a nasty repeat of boundary selection is just so ridiculous. Kind of like choosing a more expensive house simply because you like the neighbors. Wouldn't you want to shop around to make sure that you got the best deal for your money? Besides you may find neighbors that work out better.

We only get one chance to build this 3rd HS shouldn't we make sure that it is done correctly at the right location? What's the harm in completely researching the other sites?

[gatormom]

macy said:

gatormom said:

We obviously have very different ideas of the job that the SB does. Me, I am waiting for the information, you want a daily update. Guess we will both have to wait until the information is available and then, decide for ourselves if we agree with any decisions made.

See,

Another slap in my face. I'd like that to stop.

I have a great understanding of what the SB does. Please do not assume I don't. I've never insulted you like that. Uncalled for.

And again, I never asked for a "daily update". Just looking for information promised by the SB on what would happen if BB came in too high.

I've tried to be respectful of your different views. I'd ask you do the same.

I am being very respectful. I said we differ. Never said if you were right or I was right.

I have a very strong belief that the information you want is being gathered. Once again, does anyone know if Macom has been contacted or the church? Of course not but then that would fall under negotiations. The district has until the end of the month to make a decision regarding BB.

I think we would both agree that they need to take their time, review the options and then decide what is best for the district.

[Arch]

Casey, 'right' means different things to different people. One only has to look at this board to see that.

'right' in my mind means to have one in place to catch the students on their way. There is a time constraint involved.
Others find 'right' to be least amount of inconvenience, cheapest land, not having to travel on a certain road, etc.

We elected the board to determine 'right'. They chose it and went after it. Obviously HUGE mistakes were made in executing on that decision. The next parcels were not determined to be the 'right' one based on the selection criteria (whether you believe in the criteria or not the fact is they were not chosen).

Trying to get everyone to agree that a particular place is 'right' is a never ending task. Unfortunately, there comes a time where you go with what you have because a clock says so and you make it work or you deliver too little too late or you do nothing at all.

[Arch]

It's 10:25 and kids have school tomorrow....

[macy]

you are absolutely correct.

Good night from me. I've had enough.

[justme]

gatormom said:

macy said:

I'm not demanding anything other than what they SB said they would do... Present options.

What is so worrisome or offensive about that?

I'm not jumping on their decisions at all. Where on earth did I do that?

If the SB wants credibility they should come out with other options, seek feedback and make a sound decision.

That's all I expect from them

But, if they do what many here have already decided they should do_ "bite the bullet" and pay for BB, I will be disappointed.

So let them do their job. From all indications, the SB is seeking this information. Our feedback, doesn't matter. Their job is to make the best decision on the land site for every student in this district. They have financial restraints and an obligation to see that all students are served well.

Something tells me if the SB decides that the best course of action is to bite the bullet and pay for BB, none of the work they do or the information they present will matter one bit to some people.

Are we talking about the same SB? These are the people that even involved their spouses (at least M2 did) in trying to lobby to get granted Quick Take. Had that worked out we wouldn't have ANY options right now. Why in the world would I believe that they would be forthcoming in presenting an open and unbiased view of other locations when it has been BB all along and at ALL costs?

They were pushing so hard for QT 1 month before the trial so that if the price came back bad (and it did) they would have a scapegoat for paying the astronomical price. They would have been able to say that they had NO idea the price would be that high but that is what the jury awarded so we have to go with it. They would get what they wanted all along and not have to take the blame for taking such a HUGE financial hit. They could just blame it on that big mean jury and the BB monsters.

Tell me again why on Earth I should believe that this SB has our financial interests as a concern. I am at a loss to remember a time where that has ever been the case. Wait...that's right...we don't have AC in the ES's. But the grass sure is green.

[Arch]

justme said:

Tell me again why on Earth I should believe that this SB has our financial interests as a concern. I am at a loss to remember a time where that has ever been the case. Wait...that's right...we don't have AC in the ES's. But the grass sure is green.

So they get ripped for spending, then ripped for not spending.

[justme]

archwinsome said:

justme said:

Tell me again why on Earth I should believe that this SB has our financial interests as a concern. I am at a loss to remember a time where that has ever been the case. Wait...that's right...we don't have AC in the ES's. But the grass sure is green.

So they get ripped for spending, then ripped for not spending.

Nope. They get ripped for their lack of REAL priorities.

BTW- I think that was obvious in the green grass comment.

[doctorwho]

justme said:

archwinsome said:

So they get ripped for spending, then ripped for not spending.

Nope. They get ripped for their lack of REAL priorities.

BTW- I think that was obvious in the green grass comment.

ok, because the sprinklers and A/C are the same cost - and they chose sprinklers. Those must be solid gold sprinklers

[Arch]

It seems a lot of people are angry about something, and elected officials are always the perfect scapegoat. Not surprising as it happens on the city, county, state, federal and global level too.

[blankcheck]

They chose to run for the position they are in so don't give me the poor SB routine - not buying it.

[justme]

doctorwho said:

justme said:

Nope. They get ripped for their lack of REAL priorities.

BTW- I think that was obvious in the green grass comment.

ok, because the sprinklers and A/C are the same cost - and they chose sprinklers. Those must be solid gold sprinklers

and I said that where?

Look, I have been very open about how I feel about the AC situation and this isn't the area to discuss that all again. Although it is going to be in the upper 80's today on this the 5th of October.

I will say this again... it demonstrates priorities. Actually, it also demonstrates something about fiscal responsibility as well. I guess I didn't realize how important green grass is. Just because you have a little extra at the moment, should you really spend it or should you save it for a rainy day? You could also invest the extra $$ in the magic bonds the SB has access to and make millions. ;D

You are both very smart individuals. You just don't happen to agree with me because you don't mind spending the extra millions in magic bond money for BB. I do. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine but to act like you don't understand what my original point was is just a tactic to divert from the real point. The real point was about the extreme push for QT and how that has reaffirmed my mistrust in the SB so that now I don't trust them to be forthcoming about our property options. Notice how neither one of you had anything to say about that. You both just chose to attack my sarcastic remark. Hmmmmm....

[lacy]

archwinsome said:

It seems a lot of people are angry about something, and elected officials are always the perfect scapegoat. Not surprising as it happens on the city, county, state, federal and global level too.

If people are angry (and I think some are more concerned than angry), they would have plenty of valid reasons to support that feeling.

Beginning with the boundary debacle (who can forget that last meeting at NVHS), and continuing with wildly miscalculating the cost of BB as well as the time it would take to acquire it. Now we hear we have millions in reserve that they could utilize on BB when just recently they told the AC supporters to go pound sand.

I think there is plenty to justify any dissatisfaction with this SB.

[lacy]

gatormom said:

macy said:

To be honest, boundaries are the least of my worries at this point.

Glad someone is not worried because the minute they change, all heck is going to break loose. Except for a few areas, the boundaries have been accepted. Change them and people will be angry. Just my opinion. While you aren't worried, that is a major concern of mine.

By the way if you think I want a particular school over another, didn't get the school I wanted but if the site changes, I just might.

Maybe I misunderstood your remark - but it sounds very selfish.

So you want the district to pay millions more than anticipated because you are happy with the boundaries. And you don't want the district to explore other options that could save millions because you might not be happy with the boundaries?

Just trying to understand...