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Post by wvhsparent on Oct 4, 2007 12:40:55 GMT -6
In the same light as Macom, and not wanting to throw off the discussion there.
I thought I would chime in for my favorite north site.
As indicated I would choose MS to attend which HS and go from there
North MV - Hill and Granger
WVHS - Still and 7thMS
NVH -Crone, Scullen and Gregory.
Yes I know there are deficincies with this site, but I still prefer it over Macom.
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Post by soon2bwvhs on Oct 4, 2007 12:48:16 GMT -6
Steck is part of the Granger attendance area; they may actually be closer to WV than a northern MV.
I do like the idea of a north MV over Macom site.
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 4, 2007 12:48:27 GMT -6
In the same light as Macom, and not wanting to throw off the discussion there. I thought I would chime in for my favorite north site. As indicated I would choose MS to attend which HS and go from there North MV - Hill and Granger WVHS - Still and 7thMS NVH -Crone, Scullen and Gregory. Yes I know there are deficincies with this site, but I still prefer it over Macom. so Watts and Cowlishaw again travel to the furthest of the 3 high schools from home - you see no issue with this ? So we travel half way across the district for middle school and the furthest to high school -- seems fair to me  |
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Post by gatordog on Oct 4, 2007 13:12:13 GMT -6
In the same light as Macom, and not wanting to throw off the discussion there. I thought I would chime in for my favorite north site. As indicated I would choose MS to attend which HS and go from there North MV - Hill and Granger WVHS - Still and 7thMS NVH -Crone, Scullen and Gregory. Yes I know there are deficincies with this site, but I still prefer it over Macom. I too think its better than macom. In my opinion, a lot better. (BB is still what i deem optimal) I think geographical what you show is doable/acceptable, but not better than BB. Taking it literally as you quickly spelled it out here, I bet the "acheivement" gap would actually increase in that scenario. That is unacceptable, I think we all would agree. Which brings an interesting question.... I think the Macom site is severely flawed from geography perspective. Is a northern site maybe flawed from an "achievement" gap balancing point-of-view? I am not saying it is but...just asking question. |
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Post by wvhsparent on Oct 4, 2007 13:29:30 GMT -6
Steck is part of the Granger attendance area; they may actually be closer to WV than a northern MV. I do like the idea of a north MV over Macom site. Steck would most likely be moved to the 7th MS anyway. remember there is going to be a 7th MS to fill up. |
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Post by wvhsparent on Oct 4, 2007 13:34:12 GMT -6
In the same light as Macom, and not wanting to throw off the discussion there. I thought I would chime in for my favorite north site. As indicated I would choose MS to attend which HS and go from there North MV - Hill and Granger WVHS - Still and 7thMS NVH -Crone, Scullen and Gregory. Yes I know there are deficincies with this site, but I still prefer it over Macom. so Watts and Cowlishaw again travel to the furthest of the 3 high schools from home - you see no issue with this ? So we travel half way across the district for middle school and the furthest to high school -- seems fair to me I know...someone will have to travel far. I do now, so I guess while it is an issue, to me it's small. Again with an extra MS to populate, maybe your area could be moved to Still or is any other MS closer? Plus it's more of an E/W travel while is easier than N/S. |
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Post by momof3 on Oct 4, 2007 13:52:17 GMT -6
so Watts and Cowlishaw again travel to the furthest of the 3 high schools from home - you see no issue with this ? So we travel half way across the district for middle school and the furthest to high school -- seems fair to me MS boundaries must change to fill up 7th MS; so this doesn't necessarily mean that Watts and Cowlishaw will go to Hill |
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 4, 2007 14:52:20 GMT -6
so Watts and Cowlishaw again travel to the furthest of the 3 high schools from home - you see no issue with this ? So we travel half way across the district for middle school and the furthest to high school -- seems fair to me I know...someone will have to travel far. I do now, so I guess while it is an issue, to me it's small. Again with an extra MS to populate, maybe your area could be moved to Still or is any other MS closer? Plus it's more of an E/W travel while is easier than N/S. the closest middle school to us I believe is gregory - as hard as that is to believe per mapquest. Just like the closest HS is NV - the issue is the schools to the south - I believe - are more crowded also. My whole reasoning for the questions is I understand when people want geography to be the #1 factor - but then somehow the same areas get left out of the equation -- maybe they are not vocal enough.....yet what say you arch ? |
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 4, 2007 14:56:36 GMT -6
so Watts and Cowlishaw again travel to the furthest of the 3 high schools from home - you see no issue with this ? So we travel half way across the district for middle school and the furthest to high school -- seems fair to me MS boundaries must change to fill up 7th MS; so this doesn't necessarily mean that Watts and Cowlishaw will go to Hill agree - but that is why I say the MS's have to be decided before we start figuring who goes where. It helps to see the whole picture |
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Post by momof3 on Oct 4, 2007 14:59:25 GMT -6
the closest middle school to us I believe is gregory - as hard as that is to believe per mapquest. Just like the closest HS is NV - the issue is the schools to the south - I believe - are more crowded also. Still is pretty close there to Cowlishaw and Watts - and will probably lose some students to the 7th ms as well as Scullen...? Cowlishaw is split now between Hill and Still, right? |
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Post by Arch on Oct 4, 2007 14:59:56 GMT -6
I know...someone will have to travel far. I do now, so I guess while it is an issue, to me it's small. Again with an extra MS to populate, maybe your area could be moved to Still or is any other MS closer? Plus it's more of an E/W travel while is easier than N/S. the closest middle school to us I believe is gregory - as hard as that is to believe per mapquest. Just like the closest HS is NV - the issue is the schools to the south - I believe - are more crowded also. My whole reasoning for the questions is I understand when people want geography to be the #1 factor - but then somehow the same areas get left out of the equation -- maybe they are not vocal enough.....yet what say you arch ? The bus picks my kids up right at our corner anyway, so it really doesn't matter to us. I know, kind of wierd... someone who really doesn't care where their kids end up as long as they end up somewhere. I'm not going to cry you a river with BS reasons about why some piece of land is over priced or too far this way or that way just because I don't like where my kids wind up per boundaries. Believe it or not, I approach good/bad about pieces of land based on the land itself and the ability to build on it in a timely manner. I'll leave the voodoo black magic of 'balancing' to you guys  I'm always fascinated to watch the process unfold and appreciate the diligence you all pour into it. |
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Post by casey on Oct 4, 2007 15:32:19 GMT -6
It seems that the most prudent way of redrawing boundaries would be starting at MS first. There are some MS boundaries that don't seem to make a lot of sense. For example, I have never understood how Ashbury subdivision (Patterson Elementary) goes to Crone MS. They are pretty much across the street from Gregory MS and literally pass Scullen. Also, it seems as if Crone would make more sense to include the old Wheatland kids (Tamarack/Tamarack West) as well as Ashwood Creek/Park and maybe Builta (use a south boundary of 103rd?). Scullen is probably the most overcrowded MS (1400+ kids) and it would probably make sense to go back and look at those MS boundaries.
Maybe I haven't thought all the way through this but I think that if the ST. John's site were used it would make sense to do north/south boundaries ex: north of 75th WVHS, 75th-95th NVHS, and south of 95th MVHS. If Macom were used, north of 75th WVHS, south of 75th and west of 59 - MVHS, south of 75th and east of 59 - NVHS. Again, I haven't completely thought through this number-wise but it would make sense geographically.
Personally, I think when the SB looked at HS boundaries they made a mistake not going back and redrawing MS boundaries first.
I definitely think the SB owes it to the community to further examine both the St. John's and the Macom site (as well as the quarry site) before committing to the ridiculous land costs of BB.
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Post by momto4 on Oct 4, 2007 15:34:29 GMT -6
the closest middle school to us I believe is gregory - as hard as that is to believe per mapquest. Just like the closest HS is NV - the issue is the schools to the south - I believe - are more crowded also. My whole reasoning for the questions is I understand when people want geography to be the #1 factor - but then somehow the same areas get left out of the equation -- maybe they are not vocal enough.....yet what say you arch ? The bus picks my kids up right at our corner anyway, so it really doesn't matter to us. I know, kind of wierd... someone who really doesn't care where their kids end up as long as they end up somewhere. I'm not going to cry you a river with BS reasons about why some piece of land is over priced or too far this way or that way just because I don't like where my kids wind up per boundaries. Believe it or not, I approach good/bad about pieces of land based on the land itself and the ability to build on it in a timely manner. I'll leave the voodoo black magic of 'balancing' to you guys I'm always fascinated to watch the process unfold and appreciate the diligence you all pour into it. Bus miles matter in terms of cost to us taxpayers, and many juniors and seniors drive to and from school so distance adds up there as well. As parents we make multiple trips to and from the schools at all levels for before and after school activities, evening and weekend activities and this is why I think it's important to minimize everyone's distance as much as possible. It helps many families on a small scale and helps reduce traffic a little and time wasting. Anytime a person has to drive a child to/from school during rush hour, only one way will be in the right/easy direction, the other way will be a battle against traffic. If the only trips to/from school were on a bus then maybe it wouldn't matter as much. |
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Post by Arch on Oct 4, 2007 15:38:30 GMT -6
I make the same trips to Hill and WVHS for before/after school things, did one this morning, will do one tomorrow and had to do one tuesday. Still, I don't look at the drive and grumble about it.. it's just a drive and I'm en route to my kid's school. As I explained, it doesn't matter to me because the majority of the time they just walk 20 steps from the front door to the corner. Send them down to NV, keep them going to WVHS, or send them to wherever else. I don't really care and I don't let the trips outside the normal bussing schedule pull me down or ruin my day.
This is my own personal feeling about it, since Dr. Who asked what I thought...
I'm not trying to say that none of it should matter to anyone else in the District. We all pick and choose what matters to ourselves and our families. This was just my personal perspective on it.
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Post by momof3 on Oct 4, 2007 16:05:34 GMT -6
I definitely think the SB owes it to the community to further examine both the St. John's and the Macom site (as well as the quarry site) before committing to the ridiculous land costs of BB. Good point - is the quarry site still available? St. John's is as an 'extreme' north site as the quarry is an 'extreme' south site but I bet the quarry is closer to the center of the district's student population. |
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I'm always fascinated to watch the process unfold and appreciate the diligence you all pour into it.