Boundaries if we leave BB

[forthekids]

wvhsparent said:

rew said:

Anyone can visit these sites

www.nationalacademies.org and www.cancer.gov

There are numerous reviews of studies and data regarding EMFs and childhood cancers.

OK I went there...http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/magnetic-fields

The data there does not support your claim in my reading of it.

And there you have the dilema -- the data has been interpreted differently by different people. It was 17 years ago that I put my life on hold to research this issue and the confusion still exists. The overwhelming advice I received from the myriad of doctors, scientists and experts I spoke with in the field was, "If you don't HAVE to build a school near power lines -- DON'T!" I have seen nor heard nothing over the years to change my mind about what I believed at the time, and still believe today, was good advice.

[harry]

doctorwho said:

harry said:

Yes...if it is collectively the best possible solution for the community.

1/ You're misreading -- no one wants to change the boundaries - they have to change because of a site change. If they put the school in Wisconsin - would the boundaries not change ? If the school was put anywhere near BB as planned - then the boundaries are fine

2/ please send your area to the SB on their general e-mail and volunteer them for the 8-9 mile trek - I am sure they will be glad to know you are so willing ( don't count out the fact it might be you).

3/ The extra long distance to school will involve at least 3 WS's and more than 50% of that school population - so how could that ever be defined as what's best for the district ? Best for a few - maybe, best for the district, not hardly

1/ Many who want the boundaries changed didn't like them...no misreading anywhere...even if BB were an option at this point, people shift and boundaries would change

2/Why is everyone complaining about a bus ride??? All of us schlep our children all over the place for their 'activities' (don't make me pull out the dreaded travel team time investment)

Can one really be so selfish as to think that, if it is the best solution for the community and my kid has to ride farther than they ride today that that is bad??

3/ Your reasoning is subjective

[doctorwho]

forthekids said:

wvhsparent said:

OK I went there...http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/magnetic-fields

The data there does not support your claim in my reading of it.

And there you have the dilema -- the data has been interpreted differently by different people. It was 17 years ago that I put my life on hold to research this issue and the confusion still exists. The overwhelming advice I received from the myriad of doctors, scientists and experts I spoke with in the field was, "If you don't HAVE to build a school near power lines -- DON'T!" I have seen nor heard nothing over the years to change my mind about what I believed at the time, and still believe today, was good advice.

At one time smoking as not considered hazardous to ones health, and surely second hand smoke was not considered harardous to ones health. Even though common sense may have told one differently, the government standards did not identify it as such -- how's that working out now ? The list is endless with items that were thought to be no big deal, that are now. Saccharine, nitrates.......Common sense says - you do not put kids in a building 6-8 hours a day next to electrical stations and power lines. Time will tell if that is right or wrong - but are parents willing to bet their child's health on it ?

[harry]

doctorwho said:

forthekids said:

And there you have the dilema -- the data has been interpreted differently by different people. It was 17 years ago that I put my life on hold to research this issue and the confusion still exists. The overwhelming advice I received from the myriad of doctors, scientists and experts I spoke with in the field was, "If you don't HAVE to build a school near power lines -- DON'T!" I have seen nor heard nothing over the years to change my mind about what I believed at the time, and still believe today, was good advice.

At one time smoking as not considered hazardous to ones health, and surely second hand smoke was not considered harardous to ones health. Even though common sense may have told one differently, the government standards did not identify it as such -- how's that working out now ? The list is endless with items that were thought to be no big deal, that are now. Saccharine, nitrates.......Common sense says - you do not put kids in a building 6-8 hours a day next to electrical stations and power lines. Time will tell if that is right or wrong - but are parents willing to bet their child's health on it ?

Do parents feed their children sugar, processed foods, and meat/dairy with bgh in it and give their children unnecessary shots, OTC and prescription meds???

Now there is the real 24/7 exposure way worse than any substation

[doctorwho]

harry said:

doctorwho said:

1/ You're misreading -- no one wants to change the boundaries - they have to change because of a site change. If they put the school in Wisconsin - would the boundaries not change ? If the school was put anywhere near BB as planned - then the boundaries are fine

2/ please send your area to the SB on their general e-mail and volunteer them for the 8-9 mile trek - I am sure they will be glad to know you are so willing ( don't count out the fact it might be you).

3/ The extra long distance to school will involve at least 3 WS's and more than 50% of that school population - so how could that ever be defined as what's best for the district ? Best for a few - maybe, best for the district, not hardly

1/ Many who want the boundaries changed didn't like them...no misreading anywhere...even if BB were an option at this point, people shift and boundaries would change

2/Why is everyone complaining about a bus ride??? All of us schlep our children all over the place for their 'activities' (don't make me pull out the dreaded travel team time investment)

Can one really be so selfish as to think that, if it is the best solution for the community and my kid has to ride farther than they ride today that that is bad??

3/ Your reasoning is subjective

you failure to grasp facts is amazing

1. most of the people saying the northern site is wrong had ZERO issue with the BB boundaries -- at BB

2/ many , many children in HS drive to school - a 20 mile round trip across 5 major street and 2 sets of RR tracks for a 16 - 17 -18 year old driver for 180 school days is an issue. Driving home after a game when you get back at 9 PM is an issue. Our bus ride now is 8:23 to 8:55 -- 32 minutes. adding 4 more miles on this will make it 45 minutes easily. That is insane for the kids to be on the bus 1.5 hours a day. Maybe that is OK with you ( and if it is I hope you get your wish ) - but it is not with most of us. And before all the anti - kids having cars stuff comes out - the only way to get to swim practice or any other praactive after school is drive - there are no buses that early - the only way home after any sports practce or chorus practice - or deca meeting etc - is drive - no buses. And over 70% of the kids in HS are involved in something.

3/ All reasoning is by definition somewhat subjective - including your calling any requests for this selfish - your opinion and your opinion early. However these requests are based in facts - when 50% of the school would be populated in that way - it is not beneficial to the district.

[doctorwho]

harry said:

doctorwho said:

At one time smoking as not considered hazardous to ones health, and surely second hand smoke was not considered harardous to ones health. Even though common sense may have told one differently, the government standards did not identify it as such -- how's that working out now ? The list is endless with items that were thought to be no big deal, that are now. Saccharine, nitrates.......Common sense says - you do not put kids in a building 6-8 hours a day next to electrical stations and power lines. Time will tell if that is right or wrong - but are parents willing to bet their child's health on it ?

Do parents feed their children sugar, processed foods, and meat/dairy with bgh in it and give their children unnecessary shots, OTC and prescription meds???

Now there is the real 24/7 exposure way worse than any substation

in your opinion. and don't assume some to many parents here don't already limit much of the above, you are not the only one aware of the above concerns.

[Arch]

harry said:

archwinsome said:

You only wash them at work and not at home? Not even after using the toilet? Do you not shower on non-work days?

They're just germs.....

Germs are natural and do not bother me in the least

I have a different opinion and wash my hands, thoroughly cook my poultry and toss out rotten meat. I also scrub my toilets and shower/tubs on a regular basis.

I even go through the silly worthless move of cleaning my dishes between uses. I know, the money and resources I could save just letting them sit on the counter and grabbing them again each time I need them... but hey, I guess that makes me eccentric. I've even been known to brush and floss and get treated for a sinus and ear infection that almost burst out my eardrums once. The Scandal!

[doctorwho]

bob said:

dpc said:

Without a doubt which is unfortunate for those that voted for the third high school based solely on the boundaries. But they should have done their due diligence ahead of their vote knowing that boundaries were not tied to the question on the ballot.

The good news about that for Arch, Dr. W, Gators, etc. is that, if the AME church site is selected, their fears about exposure from the substation for their children will not come to fruition because they will most likely not be in the MV attendance area.

Actually, DPC, they are more than likely going to wind up at MV with the AME site. The SD is not going to bus walkers to WV to the north site. In order to fill a northern site one will have to bring in May Watts and Colishaw. Then the SD would probably move WE, Fry and Ashwood to WV.

Don't be so sure Bob that W/E - ( closer than Watts for sure and most of Cowlishaw too ) isn't included in that list. Another scenario is moving all the above from NV along with Peterson/Wheatland -- as the new super is on record believing rt 59 is a natural boundary.

This can be a mess for far more than Cowlishaw / Watts / Owen.

There simply are not the kids in the northern area to put up a 3000 student HS

[harry]

doctorwho said:

harry said:

1/ Many who want the boundaries changed didn't like them...no misreading anywhere...even if BB were an option at this point, people shift and boundaries would change

2/Why is everyone complaining about a bus ride??? All of us schlep our children all over the place for their 'activities' (don't make me pull out the dreaded travel team time investment)

Can one really be so selfish as to think that, if it is the best solution for the community and my kid has to ride farther than they ride today that that is bad??

3/ Your reasoning is subjective

you failure to grasp facts is amazing

1. most of the people saying the northern site is wrong had ZERO issue with the BB boundaries -- at BB

2/ many , many children in HS drive to school - a 20 mile round trip across 5 major street and 2 sets of RR tracks for a 16 - 17 -18 year old driver for 180 school days is an issue. Driving home after a game when you get back at 9 PM is an issue. Our bus ride now is 8:23 to 8:55 -- 32 minutes. adding 4 more miles on this will make it 45 minutes easily. That is insane for the kids to be on the bus 1.5 hours a day. Maybe that is OK with you ( and if it is I hope you get your wish ) - but it is not with most of us. And before all the anti - kids having cars stuff comes out - the only way to get to swim practice or any other praactive after school is drive - there are no buses that early - the only way home after any sports practce or chorus practice - or deca meeting etc - is drive - no buses. And over 70% of the kids in HS are involved in something.

3/ All reasoning is by definition somewhat subjective - including your calling any requests for this selfish - your opinion and your opinion early. However these requests are based in facts - when 50% of the school would be populated in that way - it is not beneficial to the district.

I know you don't care to people who dispute what you say...that is what makes you tick and that is ok.

if course those in favor of BB didn't have an issue w/boundaries and do with the north

2/ahhhhh we get to the crux of the issue....why are teens driving to school when they can take a bus? Why can't we get an activities bus??? or have the kids take public transportation??
Kids driving to school is a statue symbol of the semi wealthy


Also, if parents do their job and raise their children appropriately then no traffic issue or time of day driving is a problem...

Can someone find any stats on towns with trains screeching thru their main roads on the train lines ie barrington, western springs, and find an increased incidence of teen deaths??

if 50% of the kids moving is right for the community,,,then it is right for the community, whether you like that stats or not

[Arch]

The other point being missed is that some are trying to point out pitfalls w/ each scenario such as hazards and trip length even for areas that are not theirs.

Others, like to point out what it might do to their property value.

[harry]

archwinsome said:

harry said:

Germs are natural and do not bother me in the least

I have a different opinion and wash my hands, thoroughly cook my poultry and toss out rotten meat. I also scrub my toilets and shower/tubs on a regular basis.

I even go through the silly worthless move of cleaning my dishes between uses. I know, the money and resources I could save just letting them sit on the counter and grabbing them again each time I need them... but hey, I guess that makes me eccentric. I've even been known to brush and floss and get treated for a sinus and ear infection that almost burst out my eardrums once. The Scandal!

Glad to hear all about your habits arch,

but if your ear infection was viral, all the drugs in the world wouldn't help have helped it

but they did negatively affect your immune system by exposing it to unnecessary antibiotics.

[bob]

I got sick once from not cleaning my hands when working with uncooked chicken. Good god, I never want to go through that again.

[Arch]

harry said:

archwinsome said:

I have a different opinion and wash my hands, thoroughly cook my poultry and toss out rotten meat. I also scrub my toilets and shower/tubs on a regular basis.

I even go through the silly worthless move of cleaning my dishes between uses. I know, the money and resources I could save just letting them sit on the counter and grabbing them again each time I need them... but hey, I guess that makes me eccentric. I've even been known to brush and floss and get treated for a sinus and ear infection that almost burst out my eardrums once. The Scandal!

Glad to hear all about your habits arch,

but if your ear infection was viral, all the drugs in the world wouldn't help have helped it

but they did negatively affect your immune system by exposing it to unnecessary antibiotics.

Your 'if' is/was incorrect, but thank you for that multi-year late and mis-diagnosis.

[Arch]

bob said:

I got sick once from not cleaning my hands when working with uncooked chicken. Good god, I never want to go through that again.

I had a problem w/ chicken as a butcher back in college. Lovely pea-sized craters in the skin. Thank god for the antibiotics at the time.

[bob]

Lovely pea-sized craters in the skin.

Sorry to go off topic but how did that happen?