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Post by 204family on Feb 19, 2008 10:16:15 GMT -6
Where's beef when you need him? I think this is when he's supposed to come in with the map to WV that has the busses taking normantown road, which cuts the commute down to 3 miles. I feel like we've been down this road before...
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Post by sushi on Feb 19, 2008 10:20:31 GMT -6
What about WE's (horrible) commute. Get over it.
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Post by 204family on Feb 19, 2008 10:24:09 GMT -6
What about WE's (horrible) commute. Get over it. It's always so nice to chat with you. |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 19, 2008 10:27:48 GMT -6
Lacy. I'm sure you will again accuse me of having a personal agenda with regards to you. You clearly don't like me and that's fine. Tall Grass has many issues regarding the boundary, and for that I am sad for you guys. It's just I can't figure out what is worse for you. Is it the bridge, is it the distance, is it the splits? You have every right to be pissed. The reason I may come across as having an agenda against you is because it is my opinion that not all of your issues will be fixed tonight. I hope some of them are but I feel they will not all be fixed.
Has anyone from Fry ever done the commute to WVHS? We all talk about how horrible it is and then everyone sends all of their mapquest results. I feel for Fry so, like Doc and momof156graders, I got in my car and drove yesterday to experience first hand what you are complaining about. I drove at 4:00 pm (on a Monday during the start of rush hour) from WVHS parking lot to the intersection of Tall Grass Dr. and 104th. Yes, I went way past the Fry school. I was at that intersection in 14 minutes. I took Ogden to 75th Street and then turned south at Rt. 59 and then right again on 95th Street. No shortcuts. About 2 out of every 3 traffic lights I hit were red. So the bus makes it to your subdivision in 14 minutes and spends another 10 driving around dropping off kids. I'm sorry, but I don't see that as a commute anywhere near what Owen and Watts will be tolerating. So, I guess I can sympathize with you on the bridge and the middle school split. But based on my own experiences, I can't sympatize with you on the distance. Why? Because who else besides Welch is going to have a better commute to WV than you? I didn' t have time to drive from WV to Welch so maybe you want to do that and have some facts under your belt before you go to the board tonight.
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Post by lacy on Feb 19, 2008 10:30:34 GMT -6
What about WE's (horrible) commute. Get over it. Sushi, I know you are really struggling with the oppostion to this. I'm sorry you're having a hard time. But you just can't control everyone's thoughts and actions. And there are alot of people who simply disagree with you. I think you'd be happier if you could try to understand this and perhaps work on letting it go. Oh, and by the way, WE and TG are not the same neighborhood. They are not equidistant from NVHS and WVHS - no matter who hard you try to state that they are. Try to relax - there will be opposition - and it's coming from so many people, there's no way to stop it. |
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Post by WeBe204 on Feb 19, 2008 10:33:24 GMT -6
Lacy. I'm sure you will again accuse me of having a personal agenda with regards to you. You clearly don't like me and that's fine. Tall Grass has many issues regarding the boundary, and for that I am sad for you guys. It's just I can't figure out what is worse for you. Is it the bridge, is it the distance, is it the splits? You have every right to be pissed. The reason I may come across as having an agenda against you is because it is my opinion that not all of your issues will be fixed tonight. I hope some of them are but I feel they will not all be fixed. Has anyone from Fry ever done the commute to WVHS? We all talk about how horrible it is and then everyone sends all of their mapquest results. I feel for Fry so, like Doc and momof156graders, I got in my car and drove yesterday to experience first hand what you are complaining about. I drove at 4:00 pm (on a Monday during the start of rush hour) from WVHS parking lot to the intersection of Tall Grass Dr. and 104th. Yes, I went way past the Fry school. I was at that intersection in 14 minutes. I took Ogden to 75th Street and then turned south at Rt. 59 and then right again on 95th Street. No shortcuts. About 2 out of every 3 traffic lights I hit were red. So the bus makes it to your subdivision in 14 minutes and spends another 10 driving around dropping off kids. I'm sorry, but I don't see that as a commute anywhere near what Owen and Watts will be tolerating. So, I guess I can sympathize with you on the bridge and the middle school split. But based on my own experiences, I can't sympatize with you on the distance. Why? Because who else besides Welch is going to have a better commute to WV than you? I didn' t have time to drive from WV to Welch so maybe you want to do that and have some facts under your belt before you go to the board tonight. Did you get stopped by a train? I think its fair to add 10 minutes to those commute times given the purchase of the tracks by CN. |
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Post by lacy on Feb 19, 2008 10:38:40 GMT -6
Lacy. I'm sure you will again accuse me of having a personal agenda with regards to you. You clearly don't like me and that's fine. Tall Grass has many issues regarding the boundary, and for that I am sad for you guys. It's just I can't figure out what is worse for you. Is it the bridge, is it the distance, is it the splits? You have every right to be pissed. The reason I may come across as having an agenda against you is because it is my opinion that not all of your issues will be fixed tonight. I hope some of them are but I feel they will not all be fixed. Has anyone from Fry ever done the commute to WVHS? We all talk about how horrible it is and then everyone sends all of their mapquest results. I feel for Fry so, like Doc and momof156graders, I got in my car and drove yesterday to experience first hand what you are complaining about. I drove at 4:00 pm (on a Monday during the start of rush hour) from WVHS parking lot to the intersection of Tall Grass Dr. and 104th. Yes, I went way past the Fry school. I was at that intersection in 14 minutes. I took Ogden to 75th Street and then turned south at Rt. 59 and then right again on 95th Street. No shortcuts. About 2 out of every 3 traffic lights I hit were red. So the bus makes it to your subdivision in 14 minutes and spends another 10 driving around dropping off kids. I'm sorry, but I don't see that as a commute anywhere near what Owen and Watts will be tolerating. So, I guess I can sympathize with you on the bridge and the middle school split. But based on my own experiences, I can't sympatize with you on the distance. Why? Because who else besides Welch is going to have a better commute to WV than you? I didn' t have time to drive from WV to Welch so maybe you want to do that and have some facts under your belt before you go to the board tonight. I guess I'm trying to figure out why you are so focused on the TG community? Where do you live? And I'm trying to understand why you think you can frame the debate for us by making us pick what we want. Are you a SB member? If so, why don't you talk to some people taking a leadership position in my neighborhood? Are you offering some sort of change to us? I can't answer your question. I am not a leader in any way in my neighborhood. I won't be speaking tonight. I think what you all need to wrap your heads around is that it is not a few people who are upset. People here feel very, very wronged. Regardless of whether Sushi or anyone else feels they have a right to feel that way. They do. |
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Post by sushi on Feb 19, 2008 10:39:58 GMT -6
What about WE's (horrible) commute. Get over it. Sushi, I know you are really struggling with the oppostion to this. I'm sorry you're having a hard time. But you just can't control everyone's thoughts and actions. And there are alot of people who simply disagree with you. I think you'd be happier if you could try to understand this and perhaps work on letting it go. Oh, and by the way, WE and TG are not the same neighborhood. They are not equidistant from NVHS and WVHS - no matter who hard you try to state that they are. Try to relax - there will be opposition - and it's coming from so many people, there's no way to stop it. It's not me who's struggling with this; it appears to be you. I realized before we voted for the first ref. that WE would be moving somewhere. There are other more valid positions than TG's to be addressed. There are those of us who will do what's necessary for the good of the community as a whole. TG and WE are close enough to throw a rock; the commute won't be so different. I'm not saying it's perfect but somebody has to sacrifice for the greater good. |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 19, 2008 10:40:40 GMT -6
Lacy. I'm sure you will again accuse me of having a personal agenda with regards to you. You clearly don't like me and that's fine. Tall Grass has many issues regarding the boundary, and for that I am sad for you guys. It's just I can't figure out what is worse for you. Is it the bridge, is it the distance, is it the splits? You have every right to be pissed. The reason I may come across as having an agenda against you is because it is my opinion that not all of your issues will be fixed tonight. I hope some of them are but I feel they will not all be fixed. Has anyone from Fry ever done the commute to WVHS? We all talk about how horrible it is and then everyone sends all of their mapquest results. I feel for Fry so, like Doc and momof156graders, I got in my car and drove yesterday to experience first hand what you are complaining about. I drove at 4:00 pm (on a Monday during the start of rush hour) from WVHS parking lot to the intersection of Tall Grass Dr. and 104th. Yes, I went way past the Fry school. I was at that intersection in 14 minutes. I took Ogden to 75th Street and then turned south at Rt. 59 and then right again on 95th Street. No shortcuts. About 2 out of every 3 traffic lights I hit were red. So the bus makes it to your subdivision in 14 minutes and spends another 10 driving around dropping off kids. I'm sorry, but I don't see that as a commute anywhere near what Owen and Watts will be tolerating. So, I guess I can sympathize with you on the bridge and the middle school split. But based on my own experiences, I can't sympatize with you on the distance. Why? Because who else besides Welch is going to have a better commute to WV than you? I didn' t have time to drive from WV to Welch so maybe you want to do that and have some facts under your belt before you go to the board tonight. Did you get stopped by a train? I think its fair to add 10 minutes to those commute times given the purchase of the tracks by CN. No, I happily did not get stopped by the train. I know the train people have promised their trains will move fast through there when more are added on and I have to laugh at that. The worst trains are the ones that stop and then back up on the tracks and you are staring at them for hours while they unload or rehitch or whatever. What is up with that??? Perhaps the current WV folks can enlighten me on how many times busses have been stopped by the train on Ogden.... |
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Post by doctorwho on Feb 19, 2008 10:41:29 GMT -6
Lacy. I'm sure you will again accuse me of having a personal agenda with regards to you. You clearly don't like me and that's fine. Tall Grass has many issues regarding the boundary, and for that I am sad for you guys. It's just I can't figure out what is worse for you. Is it the bridge, is it the distance, is it the splits? You have every right to be pissed. The reason I may come across as having an agenda against you is because it is my opinion that not all of your issues will be fixed tonight. I hope some of them are but I feel they will not all be fixed. Has anyone from Fry ever done the commute to WVHS? We all talk about how horrible it is and then everyone sends all of their mapquest results. I feel for Fry so, like Doc and momof156graders, I got in my car and drove yesterday to experience first hand what you are complaining about. I drove at 4:00 pm (on a Monday during the start of rush hour) from WVHS parking lot to the intersection of Tall Grass Dr. and 104th. Yes, I went way past the Fry school. I was at that intersection in 14 minutes. I took Ogden to 75th Street and then turned south at Rt. 59 and then right again on 95th Street. No shortcuts. About 2 out of every 3 traffic lights I hit were red. So the bus makes it to your subdivision in 14 minutes and spends another 10 driving around dropping off kids. I'm sorry, but I don't see that as a commute anywhere near what Owen and Watts will be tolerating. So, I guess I can sympathize with you on the bridge and the middle school split. But based on my own experiences, I can't sympatize with you on the distance. Why? Because who else besides Welch is going to have a better commute to WV than you? I didn' t have time to drive from WV to Welch so maybe you want to do that and have some facts under your belt before you go to the board tonight. if you get a chance-- pack yourself a drink and a light snack-- and next rush hour ( even better pick one when it's snowing) anddrive from 75th and Rickert ( SE end of Watts) to AME -- take any path you like. Take rt 59 ( aka the parking lot) - or River ( watch that grade crossing before Ogden) - or any of the shortcuts thru the industrial areas we are told about ( more RR tracks btw) -And then let me know about your adventure. Now picture making that trek 400 times per year as a 16-17 year old driver. Trust me- you will be very happy you're not us all the while keeping in mind the drive we would have down Book to 95th for NV - or 75th to Ogden to Eola ( 5 lights or less each) - for our area schools |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 19, 2008 10:47:04 GMT -6
Lacy. I'm sure you will again accuse me of having a personal agenda with regards to you. You clearly don't like me and that's fine. Tall Grass has many issues regarding the boundary, and for that I am sad for you guys. It's just I can't figure out what is worse for you. Is it the bridge, is it the distance, is it the splits? You have every right to be pissed. The reason I may come across as having an agenda against you is because it is my opinion that not all of your issues will be fixed tonight. I hope some of them are but I feel they will not all be fixed. Has anyone from Fry ever done the commute to WVHS? We all talk about how horrible it is and then everyone sends all of their mapquest results. I feel for Fry so, like Doc and momof156graders, I got in my car and drove yesterday to experience first hand what you are complaining about. I drove at 4:00 pm (on a Monday during the start of rush hour) from WVHS parking lot to the intersection of Tall Grass Dr. and 104th. Yes, I went way past the Fry school. I was at that intersection in 14 minutes. I took Ogden to 75th Street and then turned south at Rt. 59 and then right again on 95th Street. No shortcuts. About 2 out of every 3 traffic lights I hit were red. So the bus makes it to your subdivision in 14 minutes and spends another 10 driving around dropping off kids. I'm sorry, but I don't see that as a commute anywhere near what Owen and Watts will be tolerating. So, I guess I can sympathize with you on the bridge and the middle school split. But based on my own experiences, I can't sympatize with you on the distance. Why? Because who else besides Welch is going to have a better commute to WV than you? I didn' t have time to drive from WV to Welch so maybe you want to do that and have some facts under your belt before you go to the board tonight. I guess I'm trying to figure out why you are so focused on the TG community? Where do you live? And I'm trying to understand why you think you can frame the debate for us by making us pick what we want. Are you a SB member? If so, why don't you talk to some people taking a leadership position in my neighborhood? Are you offering some sort of change to us? I can't answer your question. I am not a leader in any way in my neighborhood. I won't be speaking tonight. I think what you all need to wrap your heads around is that it is not a few people who are upset. People here feel very, very wronged. Regardless of whether Sushi or anyone else feels they have a right to feel that way. They do. I'm just trying to figure out what you guys want so I can help you get what you want. But there is so many issues it makes my head spin. I was earlier trying to find a solution to help with your middle school split. I made several suggestions. Then attention turned to the bridge. Again, I suggested looking into a Welch/Fry swap. I just can't keep up with you. I'm trying to help my friends that live there too as I feel more sorry for them than you since I don't know you. But when I get attacked from the people I am trying to help, I've just got to move on, I guess. No, I'm not a school board member. You couldn't pay me to put up with this mess... |
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Post by lacy on Feb 19, 2008 10:50:05 GMT -6
Sushi, I know you are really struggling with the oppostion to this. I'm sorry you're having a hard time. But you just can't control everyone's thoughts and actions. And there are alot of people who simply disagree with you. I think you'd be happier if you could try to understand this and perhaps work on letting it go. Oh, and by the way, WE and TG are not the same neighborhood. They are not equidistant from NVHS and WVHS - no matter who hard you try to state that they are. Try to relax - there will be opposition - and it's coming from so many people, there's no way to stop it. It's not me who's struggling with this; it appears to be you. I realized before we voted for the first ref. that WE would be moving somewhere. There are other more valid positions than TG's to be addressed. There are those of us who will do what's necessary for the good of the community as a whole. TG and WE are close enough to throw a rock; the commute won't be so different. I'm not saying it's perfect but somebody has to sacrifice for the greater good. I think many people would sacrifice for the greater good if it was fair, logical, and the sacrifices were evenly distributed. I think without that, there will be opposition. And TG never realized they would be moving somewhere. In the original boundary proposals last time we were in NVHS for all but one. The rumor is that it changed because WE didn't want to go without us. Don't know if that' true or not, but judging by your reaction to TG opposing this, I'm thinking it might be true. You can't throw a rock from the northern part of WE to the southern part of TG - we are not the same neighborhood and we are not equidistant from the 2 schools. And you're wasting your time arguing with me. I'm just one person. Maybe you should get a megaphone and drive through TG telling everyone how to behave and what to think. Throw in some orders to "get over it." Good luck. |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 19, 2008 10:52:16 GMT -6
Lacy. I'm sure you will again accuse me of having a personal agenda with regards to you. You clearly don't like me and that's fine. Tall Grass has many issues regarding the boundary, and for that I am sad for you guys. It's just I can't figure out what is worse for you. Is it the bridge, is it the distance, is it the splits? You have every right to be pissed. The reason I may come across as having an agenda against you is because it is my opinion that not all of your issues will be fixed tonight. I hope some of them are but I feel they will not all be fixed. Has anyone from Fry ever done the commute to WVHS? We all talk about how horrible it is and then everyone sends all of their mapquest results. I feel for Fry so, like Doc and momof156graders, I got in my car and drove yesterday to experience first hand what you are complaining about. I drove at 4:00 pm (on a Monday during the start of rush hour) from WVHS parking lot to the intersection of Tall Grass Dr. and 104th. Yes, I went way past the Fry school. I was at that intersection in 14 minutes. I took Ogden to 75th Street and then turned south at Rt. 59 and then right again on 95th Street. No shortcuts. About 2 out of every 3 traffic lights I hit were red. So the bus makes it to your subdivision in 14 minutes and spends another 10 driving around dropping off kids. I'm sorry, but I don't see that as a commute anywhere near what Owen and Watts will be tolerating. So, I guess I can sympathize with you on the bridge and the middle school split. But based on my own experiences, I can't sympatize with you on the distance. Why? Because who else besides Welch is going to have a better commute to WV than you? I didn' t have time to drive from WV to Welch so maybe you want to do that and have some facts under your belt before you go to the board tonight. if you get a chance-- pack yourself a drink and a light snack-- and next rush hour ( even better pick one when it's snowing) anddrive from 75th and Rickert ( SE end of Watts) to AME -- take any path you like. Take rt 59 ( aka the parking lot) - or River ( watch that grade crossing before Ogden) - or any of the shortcuts thru the industrial areas we are told about ( more RR tracks btw) -And then let me know about your adventure. Now picture making that trek 400 times per year as a 16-17 year old driver. Trust me- you will be very happy you're not us all the while keeping in mind the drive we would have down Book to 95th for NV - or 75th to Ogden to Eola ( 5 lights or less each) - for our area schools No, doc. I don't even want to try your commute. I don't have to drive that to know it's going to be bad.....I admit, when I was driving to the Tall Grass area, it is a MUCH longer drive than they currently have. I do realize the impact that a super short drive now is going away. But again, that drive to BB was not that much different than the drive to WVHS will be. So, I have to keep agreeing with Sushi that yes, compared to what you have now, it sucks, but it isn't that much different than what you would have had to put up with at BB. That is where I find it hard to sympathize with you guys. Sorry about that, but Watts and Owen have it much worse. And let's throw the small 7 kids in at Petersen that have to drive up to Still. Many injustices...some worse than others. |
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Post by lacy on Feb 19, 2008 10:54:22 GMT -6
I guess I'm trying to figure out why you are so focused on the TG community? Where do you live? And I'm trying to understand why you think you can frame the debate for us by making us pick what we want. Are you a SB member? If so, why don't you talk to some people taking a leadership position in my neighborhood? Are you offering some sort of change to us? I can't answer your question. I am not a leader in any way in my neighborhood. I won't be speaking tonight. I think what you all need to wrap your heads around is that it is not a few people who are upset. People here feel very, very wronged. Regardless of whether Sushi or anyone else feels they have a right to feel that way. They do. I'm just trying to figure out what you guys want so I can help you get what you want. But there is so many issues it makes my head spin. I was earlier trying to find a solution to help with your middle school split. I made several suggestions. Then attention turned to the bridge. Again, I suggested looking into a Welch/Fry swap. I just can't keep up with you. I'm trying to help my friends that live there too as I feel more sorry for them than you since I don't know you. But when I get attacked from the people I am trying to help, I've just got to move on, I guess. No, I'm not a school board member. You couldn't pay me to put up with this mess... You should probably just leave it up to them. Where do you live? |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 19, 2008 10:56:24 GMT -6
I'm just trying to figure out what you guys want so I can help you get what you want. But there is so many issues it makes my head spin. I was earlier trying to find a solution to help with your middle school split. I made several suggestions. Then attention turned to the bridge. Again, I suggested looking into a Welch/Fry swap. I just can't keep up with you. I'm trying to help my friends that live there too as I feel more sorry for them than you since I don't know you. But when I get attacked from the people I am trying to help, I've just got to move on, I guess. No, I'm not a school board member. You couldn't pay me to put up with this mess... You should probably just leave it up to them. Where do you live? You're right. I will leave it up to them. |
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