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fryfox said:

wvhsparent said:

JB unfortunately that's par for the course with the SB/Admin.

FWIW...The feeling I got from the SB Members I've spoken with was that the "feedback" they got was akin to The Simpson kids in the back seat repeating "Are we there yet?"..One can only take so much of that.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you hear the same thing over and over and over from different people, it's a generally safe assumption that it is very important to a significant number of people. Equating public feedback from adults to immature kids in the backseat is pretty offensive, actually.

Now we circle back around to "Sit down and shut up"

[fryfox]

archwinsome said:

fryfox said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you hear the same thing over and over and over from different people, it's a generally safe assumption that it is very important to a significant number of people. Equating public feedback from adults to immature kids in the backseat is pretty offensive, actually.

Now we circle back around to "Sit down and shut up"

Exactly. "Be quiet!!! I'm trying to drive this train into the ground!!!"

[wvhsparent]

fryfox said:

wvhsparent said:

JB unfortunately that's par for the course with the SB/Admin.

FWIW...The feeling I got from the SB Members I've spoken with was that the "feedback" they got was akin to The Simpson kids in the back seat repeating "Are we there yet?"..One can only take so much of that.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you hear the same thing over and over and over from different people, it's a generally safe assumption that it is very important to a significant number of people. Equating public feedback from adults to immature kids in the backseat is pretty offensive, actually.

I was equating excessive "feedback" on a couple of issues that were, while valid, of lesser importance to issues ultimately addressed.
I agree feedback is necessary, and I have given my share too, much of which was also given to the category of lesser importance to the bigger picture.... That's life....

[fryfox]

WVHSparent - I wasn't directing that at you but at the SB's attitude towards feedback. They've been pretty open about the repetitive nature of the feedback and I think it's illogical.

[204family]

wvhsparent said:

JB unfortunately that's par for the course with the SB/Admin.

FWIW...The feeling I got from the SB Members I've spoken with was that the "feedback" they got was akin to The Simpson kids in the back seat repeating "Are we there yet?"..One can only take so much of that.

IMO, people repeat themselves over and over again when they feel like they aren't being heard. In my house, I find my voice just gets louder and louder and louder each time I ask the same question. Simple acknowledgement would've probably helped the situation. I'll go out on a limb here and assume we're talking about Fry again. It would've been nice had they recognized they heard us. I believe the memo was their way of saying they heard us. Unfortunately it just led to more questions, which again went unanswered.

[fryfox]

204family said:

wvhsparent said:

JB unfortunately that's par for the course with the SB/Admin.

FWIW...The feeling I got from the SB Members I've spoken with was that the "feedback" they got was akin to The Simpson kids in the back seat repeating "Are we there yet?"..One can only take so much of that.

IMO, people repeat themselves over and over again when they feel like they aren't being heard. In my house, I find my voice just gets louder and louder and louder each time I ask the same question. Simple acknowledgement would've probably helped the situation. I'll go out on a limb here and assume we're talking about Fry again. It would've been nice had they recognized they heard us. I believe the memo was their way of saying they heard us. Unfortunately it just led to more questions, which again went unanswered.

I totally agree - they couldn't even acknowledge our concerns in the meeting. Totally blew us off. I think the biggest thing they never addressed to any satisfaction was why they would move Fry walkers but no other walkers in the district. They simply denied that Fry would be walkers. In another climate, without the boundary issues, they would pass us as walkers in a heartbeat. Now that it is more convenient to their cause to keep us not walkers, that's their position.

[warriorpride]

fryfox said:

204family said:

IMO, people repeat themselves over and over again when they feel like they aren't being heard. In my house, I find my voice just gets louder and louder and louder each time I ask the same question. Simple acknowledgement would've probably helped the situation. I'll go out on a limb here and assume we're talking about Fry again. It would've been nice had they recognized they heard us. I believe the memo was their way of saying they heard us. Unfortunately it just led to more questions, which again went unanswered.

I totally agree - they couldn't even acknowledge our concerns in the meeting. Totally blew us off. I think the biggest thing they never addressed to any satisfaction was why they would move Fry walkers but no other walkers in the district. They simply denied that Fry would be walkers. In another climate, without the boundary issues, they would pass us as walkers in a heartbeat. Now that it is more convenient to their cause to keep us not walkers, that's their position.

how about not splitting subdivisions/neighborhoods? just a guess

[204family]

warriorpride said:

fryfox said:

I totally agree - they couldn't even acknowledge our concerns in the meeting. Totally blew us off. I think the biggest thing they never addressed to any satisfaction was why they would move Fry walkers but no other walkers in the district. They simply denied that Fry would be walkers. In another climate, without the boundary issues, they would pass us as walkers in a heartbeat. Now that it is more convenient to their cause to keep us not walkers, that's their position.

how about not splitting subdivisions/neighborhoods? just a guess

From my perspective, it will always be the way they handled it. I don't want to try to interpret what the final decision was and why. Getting into M2s head is a little frightening even for me. Plus, I'm comfortable with going to WV.

However, I'll never be okay with the dodging that happened. I think they hid behind the nasty e-mails rather than addressing the sound ones. It left a bad taste in my mouth when I heard about the decisions prior to the meeting. Made me think that they could find time to deliver the good news, but couldn't find the time to address the more difficult decisions. I would've like to have heard more about those. Not even mentioning Watts just struck me as odd. I know I wrote in about them. I can assume others did too. When it comes to not mentioning Fry...who knows?

[fryfox]

warriorpride said:

fryfox said:

I totally agree - they couldn't even acknowledge our concerns in the meeting. Totally blew us off. I think the biggest thing they never addressed to any satisfaction was why they would move Fry walkers but no other walkers in the district. They simply denied that Fry would be walkers. In another climate, without the boundary issues, they would pass us as walkers in a heartbeat. Now that it is more convenient to their cause to keep us not walkers, that's their position.

how about not splitting subdivisions/neighborhoods? just a guess

not sure what you mean by that?

[doctorwho]

warriorpride said:

fryfox said:

I totally agree - they couldn't even acknowledge our concerns in the meeting. Totally blew us off. I think the biggest thing they never addressed to any satisfaction was why they would move Fry walkers but no other walkers in the district. They simply denied that Fry would be walkers. In another climate, without the boundary issues, they would pass us as walkers in a heartbeat. Now that it is more convenient to their cause to keep us not walkers, that's their position.

how about not splitting subdivisions/neighborhoods? just a guess

you mean like sending 30 kids from Longwood to Watts ? Is that not splitting that neighborhood ? ( and 36 more to Brookdale )

[doctorwho]

204family said:

warriorpride said:

how about not splitting subdivisions/neighborhoods? just a guess

From my perspective, it will always be the way they handled it. I don't want to try to interpret what the final decision was and why. Getting into M2s head is a little frightening even for me. Plus, I'm comfortable with going to WV.

However, I'll never be okay with the dodging that happened. I think they hid behind the nasty e-mails rather than addressing the sound ones. It left a bad taste in my mouth when I heard about the decisions prior to the meeting. Made me think that they could find time to deliver the good news, but couldn't find the time to address the more difficult decisions. I would've like to have heard more about those. Not even mentioning Watts just struck me as odd. I know I wrote in about them. I can assume others did too. When it comes to not mentioning Fry...who knows?

A number of people told me they wrote in about Watts - even outside of the Watts area - and from the Steck area there were people who asked to go to MV - and another group who wrote saying they would go if that was best. Yet the Steck ( non-walkers ) - for Watts ( main school ) topic never even warranted a note on the Superintendents sheet ? Why ?
btw - the numbers add up to make that switch, there is no real academic impact with the change - even if they didn't do it they could have addressed why - since there was plenty of feedback from both sides on it - yet Steck and Watts were totally ignored.
We heard about how Owen 'had to be addressed' - while they are minutes away from Watts - our land neighbors to the SE and yet we don't even warrant a comment ? One has to question why.

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Perhaps Steck, McCarty/Watts/Cowl was not touched because it would open up that can of worms of acknowledging that some kids from an ES might be walkers and that would have to be applied equitably to other schools who have some students within real walking distance of their HS. Kind of like not making the effort to meet with certain other entities.. just can't give some them the 'satisfaction' of an apparent 'win'.

[hopefull]

doctorwho said:

204family said:

From my perspective, it will always be the way they handled it. I don't want to try to interpret what the final decision was and why. Getting into M2s head is a little frightening even for me. Plus, I'm comfortable with going to WV.

However, I'll never be okay with the dodging that happened. I think they hid behind the nasty e-mails rather than addressing the sound ones. It left a bad taste in my mouth when I heard about the decisions prior to the meeting. Made me think that they could find time to deliver the good news, but couldn't find the time to address the more difficult decisions. I would've like to have heard more about those. Not even mentioning Watts just struck me as odd. I know I wrote in about them. I can assume others did too. When it comes to not mentioning Fry...who knows?

A number of people told me they wrote in about Watts - even outside of the Watts area - and from the Steck area there were people who asked to go to MV - and another group who wrote saying they would go if that was best. Yet the Steck ( non-walkers ) - for Watts ( main school ) topic never even warranted a note on the Superintendents sheet ? Why ?
btw - the numbers add up to make that switch, there is no real academic impact with the change - even if they didn't do it they could have addressed why - since there was plenty of feedback from both sides on it - yet Steck and Watts were totally ignored.
We heard about how Owen 'had to be addressed' - while they are minutes away from Watts - our land neighbors to the SE and yet we don't even warrant a comment ? One has to question why.

This tread is getting off course, but I just wanted to address this steck busser/watts main trade. What happens at the middle school level? Do you switch Watts and Steck at Hill and wv gold? If not, Watts (non satellites) split from Hill about 1/4 to WV. Would steck be ok with the trade when they found out they would be bussed to hill?
I'm sure you've figured this out. What is the solution here?

[hopefull]

doctorwho said:

warriorpride said:

how about not splitting subdivisions/neighborhoods? just a guess

you mean like sending 30 kids from Longwood to Watts ? Is that not splitting that neighborhood ? ( and 36 more to Brookdale )

Those railway apartment kids are already busers to Longwood. Those are rental units and the kids are likely a transient bunch. I doubt they cross North Aurora road for playdates and such. It seems they took this and the other Longwood area out of Longwood so that they could reduce class sizes for our lowest performing school. The displaced kids are being sent to higher performing schools with more elbow room. I don't see this as a bad thing for those kids.

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hopefull said:

doctorwho said:

A number of people told me they wrote in about Watts - even outside of the Watts area - and from the Steck area there were people who asked to go to MV - and another group who wrote saying they would go if that was best. Yet the Steck ( non-walkers ) - for Watts ( main school ) topic never even warranted a note on the Superintendents sheet ? Why ?
btw - the numbers add up to make that switch, there is no real academic impact with the change - even if they didn't do it they could have addressed why - since there was plenty of feedback from both sides on it - yet Steck and Watts were totally ignored.
We heard about how Owen 'had to be addressed' - while they are minutes away from Watts - our land neighbors to the SE and yet we don't even warrant a comment ? One has to question why.

This tread is getting off course, but I just wanted to address this steck busser/watts main trade. What happens at the middle school level? Do you switch Watts and Steck at Hill and wv gold? If not, Watts (non satellites) split from Hill about 1/4 to WV. Would steck be ok with the trade when they found out they would be bussed to hill?
I'm sure you've figured this out. What is the solution here?

What is the downside of doing the 'switch' at the HS level only? Splits are already considered OK. Take Steck/McCarty busers north to MV along with the satellite locations of Cowl/Watts since they are closest. Pull Watts and COWL main to WV or pull COWL (main) south to NV along with Owen East. All the shuffling can be done w/out sending any area to the farthest HS. There's quite a bit of wiggle room to accomplish it.