SUN LTE 2/25

[wvhsparent]

Well Watts could go to Still and Gombert to Gold.
Steck stays at Granger and Longwood stays at Hill.

[hopefull]

wvhsparent said:

Well Watts could go to Still and Gombert to Gold.
Steck stays at Granger and Longwood stays at Hill.

Good geographic solution, but I wonder what the achievement at gold would be with 3 of the 4 lowest performing schools?

[steckmom]

As I recall, MM clearly said achievement was not a factor.

Stop talking about Steck, I don't have time to come out and play.

[wvhsparent]

hopefull said:

wvhsparent said:

Well Watts could go to Still and Gombert to Gold.
Steck stays at Granger and Longwood stays at Hill.

Good geographic solution, but I wonder what the achievement at gold would be with 3 of the 4 lowest performing schools?

That may change as the WVHS walkers would need to be moved out of Steck (Lakewood) and they would probably go to McCarty and the Northern portion of McCarty now would be moved to Steck.
That would probably raise McCarty performance right there. Yes it might lower Steck's, but probably not by much.

[doctorwho]

hopefull said:

doctorwho said:

you mean like sending 30 kids from Longwood to Watts ? Is that not splitting that neighborhood ? ( and 36 more to Brookdale )

Those railway apartment kids are already busers to Longwood. Those are rental units and the kids are likely a transient bunch. I doubt they cross North Aurora road for playdates and such. It seems they took this and the other Longwood area out of Longwood so that they could reduce class sizes for our lowest performing school. The displaced kids are being sent to higher performing schools with more elbow room. I don't see this as a bad thing for those kids.

I didn't realize that North Aurora Road was the Mississippi River - do you think it is more likely they'll travel 6 miles to Watts for play dates than across 1 road ?
I wouldn't want my ES kids travelling that for 6 years and then return at home at night - now cut off from everyone. The answer on playdates is exactly what I have heard from SB - is it a script ? North Aurora Avenue is some unbelievable boundary - yet 75th street ( all that separate us from Owen East) - is crossed all the time for playdates and friends.

I'm sorry, to me it's another case where the answer is made up after the fact to defend a move that makes no sense. No one sat there in boundary time and said - hey,that one area there- I hear they don't play with anyone - let's sendthem far away. I'm not buying it.
So I guess Art on a Cart and Music on a Cart not that great afterall-- someone in the SD needs to get their story straight - it can't be one way for one decision and another way for a different decision.

[momto4]

doctorwho said:

So I guess Art on a Cart and Music on a Cart not that great afterall-- someone in the SD needs to get their story straight - it can't be one way for one decision and another way for a different decision.

Apparently it's great when it supports what they want to do, and not great when that supports something else they want to do.

I don't know how anyone could think it's BETTER on a cart. I'm still shocked that they actually said that.

[hopefull]

doctorwho said:

hopefull said:

Those railway apartment kids are already busers to Longwood. Those are rental units and the kids are likely a transient bunch. I doubt they cross North Aurora road for playdates and such. It seems they took this and the other Longwood area out of Longwood so that they could reduce class sizes for our lowest performing school. The displaced kids are being sent to higher performing schools with more elbow room. I don't see this as a bad thing for those kids.

I didn't realize that North Aurora Road was the Mississippi River - do you think it is more likely they'll travel 6 miles to Watts for play dates than across 1 road ?
I wouldn't want my ES kids travelling that for 6 years and then return at home at night - now cut off from everyone. The answer on playdates is exactly what I have heard from SB - is it a script ? North Aurora Avenue is some unbelievable boundary - yet 75th street ( all that separate us from Owen East) - is crossed all the time for playdates and friends.

I'm sorry, to me it's another case where the answer is made up after the fact to defend a move that makes no sense. No one sat there in boundary time and said - hey,that one area there- I hear they don't play with anyone - let's sendthem far away. I'm not buying it.
So I guess Art on a Cart and Music on a Cart not that great afterall-- someone in the SD needs to get their story straight - it can't be one way for one decision and another way for a different decision.

Sorry, I didn't know I was reading from a script. I swear I have no allegience to the admin or sb. From my experience with apartment/townhome kids, their playdates are most likely at the daycare center.
I sense that you resent having all these satelites assigned to your elementary. Is it the possiblity of them lowering your test scores, or is it that these "satelites" have a very strong gravitational pull northward?

[Arch]

hopefull said:

doctorwho said:

I didn't realize that North Aurora Road was the Mississippi River - do you think it is more likely they'll travel 6 miles to Watts for play dates than across 1 road ?
I wouldn't want my ES kids travelling that for 6 years and then return at home at night - now cut off from everyone. The answer on playdates is exactly what I have heard from SB - is it a script ? North Aurora Avenue is some unbelievable boundary - yet 75th street ( all that separate us from Owen East) - is crossed all the time for playdates and friends.

I'm sorry, to me it's another case where the answer is made up after the fact to defend a move that makes no sense. No one sat there in boundary time and said - hey,that one area there- I hear they don't play with anyone - let's sendthem far away. I'm not buying it.
So I guess Art on a Cart and Music on a Cart not that great afterall-- someone in the SD needs to get their story straight - it can't be one way for one decision and another way for a different decision.

Sorry, I didn't know I was reading from a script. I swear I have no allegience to the admin or sb. From my experience with apartment/townhome kids, their playdates are most likely at the daycare center.
I sense that you resent having all these satelites assigned to your elementary. Is it the possiblity of them lowering your test scores, or is it that these "satelites" have a very strong gravitational pull northward?

It's just plain dumb to bus kids that young that far when there are much closer schools.

[wvhsparent]

Personally I think they could have done much better on the ES Boundaries, and I did provide feedback on that.

[hopefull]

archwinsome said:

hopefull said:

Sorry, I didn't know I was reading from a script. I swear I have no allegience to the admin or sb. From my experience with apartment/townhome kids, their playdates are most likely at the daycare center.
I sense that you resent having all these satelites assigned to your elementary. Is it the possiblity of them lowering your test scores, or is it that these "satelites" have a very strong gravitational pull northward?

It's just plain dumb to bus kids that young that far when there are much closer schools.

I wonder if there is enough room at brookdale for both of those longwood sections? It does seem strange that they were sent to two different elementaries. I guess Brooks would be the next closest school.

[doctorwho]

hopefull said:

doctorwho said:

I didn't realize that North Aurora Road was the Mississippi River - do you think it is more likely they'll travel 6 miles to Watts for play dates than across 1 road ?
I wouldn't want my ES kids travelling that for 6 years and then return at home at night - now cut off from everyone. The answer on playdates is exactly what I have heard from SB - is it a script ? North Aurora Avenue is some unbelievable boundary - yet 75th street ( all that separate us from Owen East) - is crossed all the time for playdates and friends.

I'm sorry, to me it's another case where the answer is made up after the fact to defend a move that makes no sense. No one sat there in boundary time and said - hey,that one area there- I hear they don't play with anyone - let's sendthem far away. I'm not buying it.
So I guess Art on a Cart and Music on a Cart not that great afterall-- someone in the SD needs to get their story straight - it can't be one way for one decision and another way for a different decision.

Sorry, I didn't know I was reading from a script. I swear I have no allegience to the admin or sb. From my experience with apartment/townhome kids, their playdates are most likely at the daycare center.
I sense that you resent having all these satelites assigned to your elementary. Is it the possiblity of them lowering your test scores, or is it that these "satelites" have a very strong gravitational pull northward?

I don't get any reward from whatever test scores belong to Watts - and of course you assume those kids from the apartments will lower Watts test scores - nice. Do you have a breakout for the apartments ? Not a very nice comment as far as I am concerned, please be cautious about what you are trying to say here.

I would feel exactly the same way if 30 kids were bussed from Watts to some satellite location 6 miles away, I would be upset for those kids and their parents - NO ONE should have to travel those distances to schools if it can be at all avoided - we have 21 ES to spread kids to - the fact that we have to have any ES kids travelling that far concerns me. And before you ask- yes I have made that perfectly clear to SB members and Sd Admin in phone calls.

I do absolutely believe that the northern addition was somewhat by design - if that's what you are asking - yes. One more reason to send us to the AME site -

And I do think 3 satellites ( when we were supposed to be focusing on contigious boundaries is either stupid or by design. Look at the map for Watts elementary and tell me it makes any sense compared to others.

as for the script - sorry, maybe a coincidence, but I am not very trusting right now - and I got an almost word for word answer yesterday - and argued it on the same points.

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

Personally I think they could have done much better on the ES Boundaries, and I did provide feedback on that.

I absolutely agree -- if they would have done due diligence to the ES school boundaries as we were told they were going to - maybe some of the MS and HS issues could have been resolved. AS it is the few changes they made caused some additional issues -

What happened to the ES and MS re write ? Not enough time to stay on Fall 2009 schedule ? I sure hope that is not the reason.

[d204mom]

hopefull said:

doctorwho said:

you mean like sending 30 kids from Longwood to Watts ? Is that not splitting that neighborhood ? ( and 36 more to Brookdale )

Those railway apartment kids are already busers to Longwood. Those are rental units and the kids are likely a transient bunch. I doubt they cross North Aurora road for playdates and such. It seems they took this and the other Longwood area out of Longwood so that they could reduce class sizes for our lowest performing school. The displaced kids are being sent to higher performing schools with more elbow room. I don't see this as a bad thing for those kids.

The Longwood teacher spoke at the first all day K board meeting about how crowded Longwood was with the pilot implementation. Daeschner was extremely busy painting a happy face on the whole situation, but I heard loud and clear what she was saying: No room. Art on a cart. Music on a cart. 30 in the 4th and 5th grades. If it's good for Longwood to reduce their school's population, great. But is it good for the kids to be bussed across the district? NO.

Seems to me that bussing kids across the district will decrease parental involvement, which is why all day k helps at risk kids to start with.

But the whole problem of bussing es kids across the district started with All Day K. I just got the sense there was no formal plan, just a "HEY you principals, make it work, by the way we are dumping more kids in your school than you thought but make it work NOW because I said it would and will make stuff up along the way instead of answering the tough questions."

Welcome to the NEW d204.

I bet the millions and millions we've wasted on Brach Brodie could've built quite a nice addition to Longwood. Now our permant solution is bussing kids across tarnation.

Again, welcome to the NEW D204!

[Arch]

d204mom said:

Again, welcome to the NEW D204!

"Now, sit down and stop whining"

[doctorwho]

archwinsome said:

d204mom said:

Again, welcome to the NEW D204!

"Now, sit down and stop whining"

just seems like that statement should be preceeded with ,

"Get on the bus.... now, sit down and stop whining "

Maybe this could be a slogan or communications campaign....it's like being on the field trip from heck right now...