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Post by macy on Feb 26, 2008 22:14:32 GMT -6
...I'm skeptical and cynical as is most of my community of ulterior motives (we don't have a SB member or 204 administrator living in our neighborhood). I realize we may be wrong but yet wonder why the decision couldn't wait a week, two weeks a month.... just so we can understand, what ulterior motives might someone from your community suggest? Good lord, where do you want me to start? ETA: Why don't you ask some of the new posters? Really, you have no idea what ulterior motives might be for the decision makers of 204? Is this really news to you that people might be thinking this is the case? |
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Post by Arch on Feb 26, 2008 22:18:33 GMT -6
They don't have the final numbers for all day K. They are guessing. ADK threw a wrench into the boundaries and they have made a stab at "making it right" but my guess is that after 1 year of ADK many elementary schools will be asking for relief and ES boundaries will shuffle again. Daeschner seems to have no problem sticking kids on buses that run across the district and I think we'll be in for more of it. My guess is that they will also do this in a "one-off" willy-nilly manner (if history is any indication) instead of taking a comprehensive look at our entire ES capacity. Yes, I agree they were guessing. As many of us in the Fry community are "guessing" as to why they put the Mandalay community (new development) into Fry as the previous super (Howie) had assured us the kids from that community would not be placed at Fry. Funny, why would they move the Mandalay kids from a previous assignment (Peterson-undercrowded) into Fry (capacity school) with all day K coming to fruition next year. To me, that's not guessing... That's another "screw you Fry/TG" stink bomb being thrown our way. Hey, again, just my opinion. Call me bitter, I'm sorry, I've just been paying too much attention for the last few years. This Mandalay/overcrowding of Fry concern was addressed at at the 2/19 meeting by residents. But.. no surprise. not addressed by the SB/administration as all the other Fry concerns. Hey.. "screw you Fry!". All day K, a stuffed school with music and art and a cart, a stuffed middle school (oh and, by the way your kids will lose 2/3 of their friends cuz of the middle school split) and NOW.... a stuffed high school for you all (as we've stuffed the Owen East kids in WVHS- cuz they were upset) with added commute for your kids that... are probably walkers(IDOT and city of Naperville). So, in fact, WVHS will be overcrowded... Oh, and did I forget to mention, the lowest achieving HS. And this is what $150 million buys us... Plus, if you act now we will also send a few areas to the FARTHEST high school from their area, and the next 66 callers from Longwood will receive a free daily round-trip bus ride to their destination getaway hot spot of Brookdale or, May Watts... The trips should include meal service, but ever since 9/11, you know you have to bring your own food. |
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Post by warriorpride on Feb 26, 2008 22:23:45 GMT -6
just so we can understand, what ulterior motives might someone from your community suggest? Good lord, where do you want me to start? ETA: Why don't you ask some of the new posters? Really, you have no idea what ulterior motives might be for the decision makers of 204? Is this really news to you that people might be thinking this is the case? if you know (or think you know) what they are, please share |
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Post by warriorpride on Feb 26, 2008 22:26:28 GMT -6
They don't have the final numbers for all day K. They are guessing. ADK threw a wrench into the boundaries and they have made a stab at "making it right" but my guess is that after 1 year of ADK many elementary schools will be asking for relief and ES boundaries will shuffle again. Daeschner seems to have no problem sticking kids on buses that run across the district and I think we'll be in for more of it. My guess is that they will also do this in a "one-off" willy-nilly manner (if history is any indication) instead of taking a comprehensive look at our entire ES capacity. Yes, I agree they were guessing. As many of us in the Fry community are "guessing" as to why they put the Mandalay community (new development) into Fry as the previous super (Howie) had assured us the kids from that community would not be placed at Fry. Funny, why would they move the Mandalay kids from a previous assignment (Peterson-undercrowded) into Fry (capacity school) with all day K coming to fruition next year. To me, that's not guessing... That's another "screw you Fry/TG" stink bomb being thrown our way. Hey, again, just my opinion. Call me bitter, I'm sorry, I've just been paying too much attention for the last few years. This Mandalay/overcrowding of Fry concern was addressed at at the 2/19 meeting by residents. But.. no surprise. not addressed by the SB/administration as all the other Fry concerns. Hey.. "screw you Fry!". All day K, a stuffed school with music and art and a cart, a stuffed middle school (oh and, by the way your kids will lose 2/3 of their friends cuz of the middle school split) and NOW.... a stuffed high school for you all (as we've stuffed the Owen East kids in WVHS- cuz they were upset) with added commute for your kids that... are probably walkers(IDOT and city of Naperville). So, in fact, WVHS will be overcrowded... Oh, and did I forget to mention, the lowest achieving HS. the things you list, or issues very similar to these, would have existed with BB |
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Post by concerned on Feb 26, 2008 22:35:11 GMT -6
Yes, I agree they were guessing. As many of us in the Fry community are "guessing" as to why they put the Mandalay community (new development) into Fry as the previous super (Howie) had assured us the kids from that community would not be placed at Fry. Funny, why would they move the Mandalay kids from a previous assignment (Peterson-undercrowded) into Fry (capacity school) with all day K coming to fruition next year. To me, that's not guessing... That's another "screw you Fry/TG" stink bomb being thrown our way. Hey, again, just my opinion. Call me bitter, I'm sorry, I've just been paying too much attention for the last few years. This Mandalay/overcrowding of Fry concern was addressed at at the 2/19 meeting by residents. But.. no surprise. not addressed by the SB/administration as all the other Fry concerns. Hey.. "screw you Fry!". All day K, a stuffed school with music and art and a cart, a stuffed middle school (oh and, by the way your kids will lose 2/3 of their friends cuz of the middle school split) and NOW.... a stuffed high school for you all (as we've stuffed the Owen East kids in WVHS- cuz they were upset) with added commute for your kids that... are probably walkers(IDOT and city of Naperville). So, in fact, WVHS will be overcrowded... Oh, and did I forget to mention, the lowest achieving HS. the things you list, or issues very similar to these, would have existed with BB So it is ok for the SB to put Mandalay into Fry? That would of been an issue at BB? |
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Post by macy on Feb 26, 2008 22:38:17 GMT -6
Yes, I agree they were guessing. As many of us in the Fry community are "guessing" as to why they put the Mandalay community (new development) into Fry as the previous super (Howie) had assured us the kids from that community would not be placed at Fry. Funny, why would they move the Mandalay kids from a previous assignment (Peterson-undercrowded) into Fry (capacity school) with all day K coming to fruition next year. To me, that's not guessing... That's another "screw you Fry/TG" stink bomb being thrown our way. Hey, again, just my opinion. Call me bitter, I'm sorry, I've just been paying too much attention for the last few years. This Mandalay/overcrowding of Fry concern was addressed at at the 2/19 meeting by residents. But.. no surprise. not addressed by the SB/administration as all the other Fry concerns. Hey.. "screw you Fry!". All day K, a stuffed school with music and art and a cart, a stuffed middle school (oh and, by the way your kids will lose 2/3 of their friends cuz of the middle school split) and NOW.... a stuffed high school for you all (as we've stuffed the Owen East kids in WVHS- cuz they were upset) with added commute for your kids that... are probably walkers(IDOT and city of Naperville). So, in fact, WVHS will be overcrowded... Oh, and did I forget to mention, the lowest achieving HS. the things you list, or issues very similar to these, would have existed with BB Not Mandalay development being inserted into Fry (or all day K) or the middle school split issues. Those are definitely things I didn't vote on. BB is dead. I didn't get the chance to vote on MIDWGEN site during the referendum. I'd have voted no for many reasons. Let me ask you, do you think the MIDWGEN site would have passed? First and foremost, the SB declared the site an almost impossibility of radioactive exposure for students. Bringing up BB in light of what has occurred today is ridiculous. Not the same site, boundaries, time frame for completion, enrollment numbers, etc. that the district provided to us at the time we all voted. But yet, I understand you are happy with the current circumstances. I am not. Let's agree to disagree. |
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Post by warriorpride on Feb 26, 2008 22:45:17 GMT -6
the things you list, or issues very similar to these, would have existed with BB Not Mandalay development being inserted into Fry (or all day K) or the middle school split issues. Those are definitely things I didn't vote on. the MS boundaries weren't set with BB, and there were bound to be splits |
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Post by macy on Feb 26, 2008 22:54:21 GMT -6
Yes, you are right warriorpride.
No MS boundaries were set. I agree. But, I still wonder why the district went ahead with boundaries so quickly and didn't listen to public opinion, evaluate and come out with a decision.
Why did we all know what the rubber stamp would be and that the only fix would be Owen East and the 7/10 kids at Ashwood north?
That really bothers me. Seems kinda fishy, no?
Something for everyone... that's what the saying is around my neighborhood.
waiting a week, or so... digesting the comments would have gone a long way for the admin/sb. Yet, not reality as it was "sit down, shut up and we've already decided".
I'm sorry to disagree and mean no disrespect towards you. Just the thoughts/perspective of a great many that are angry.
Really, no offense meant. Just reality.
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Post by warriorpride on Feb 26, 2008 23:00:56 GMT -6
the things you list, or issues very similar to these, would have existed with BB So it is ok for the SB to put Mandalay into Fry? That would of been an issue at BB? good lord, do you really expect me to answer this? I was responding to a list of items, of which, In My Opinion, the majority would have likely applied to BB (or at least something similar) sorry, but I have no answer for you on Mandalay Bay - but if not Mandalay Bay, then some other areas might just have easily been asked about with BB - BB was better, but not perfect - nothing is when it come to changing boundaries |
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Post by concerned on Feb 26, 2008 23:12:39 GMT -6
You stated that Macy's issues would be similiar to those if BB was the site. When Mandalay was approved those ES students were slated to go to Peterson, now the big switch from an empty ES to an at capacity ES, with ADK added. How is this related to BB? It is not. It is the SB's last big screw to the TG community.
Crowded at the ES, MS and HS.
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Post by Arch on Feb 26, 2008 23:17:51 GMT -6
You stated that Macy's issues would be similiar to those if BB was the site. When Mandalay was approved those ES students were slated to go to Peterson, now the big switch from an empty ES to an at capacity ES, with ADK added. How is this related to BB? It is not. It is the SB's last big screw to the TG community. Crowded at the ES, MS and HS. If it's not an INTENTIONAL screw job, it's still a screw job and something needs to be done about it at many levels. Take it a step further.. it's a screw job or incompetence. pick one. |
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Post by mandmmom on Feb 26, 2008 23:22:14 GMT -6
So it is ok for the SB to put Mandalay into Fry? That would of been an issue at BB? good lord, do you really expect me to answer this? I was responding to a list of items, of which, In My Opinion, the majority would have likely applied to BB (or at least something similar) sorry, but I have no answer for you on Mandalay Bay - but if not Mandalay Bay, then some other areas might just have easily been asked about with BB - BB was better, but not perfect - nothing is when it come to changing boundaries It probably would have been more fair to put all the MS in a hat and have 3 representatives from each HS make the picks....that way it would have been fair to all.... ;)this method would really shake things up and then maybe some people could have some compassion with some of the neighborhoods that are upset right now....as ridiculous as my statement is above, I think some of the boundaries are really unfair and actually don't make sense logistically.....I actually think when it comes to boundaries a 3rd party, not associated with 204, should make the recommendations based on geography and enrollment #s....it should not be determined on where a certain SB member, principal, and/or superintendent lives.... |
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Post by researching on Feb 27, 2008 1:05:03 GMT -6
Good lord, where do you want me to start? ETA: Why don't you ask some of the new posters? Really, you have no idea what ulterior motives might be for the decision makers of 204? Is this really news to you that people might be thinking this is the case? if you know (or think you know) what they are, please share Wow! What a condescending attitude response wp.  The ways that the Fry community has been scr*wed is well documented on this board. To continually batter a still raw, used and abused community is bordering sadistic. Are we the only community scr*wed in this process? No. Are we the only ones taking this kind of abuse for defending our position? Yes. We are also the only area to my knowledge that has a LONG list of the various ways we have been scr*wed. FWIW- I think this has been played out to the enth degree on this board. Either you get it or you don't. This topic is waaaaaaaaay off course. Can we lock it now? |
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Post by warriorpride on Feb 27, 2008 5:59:44 GMT -6
if you know (or think you know) what they are, please share Wow! What a condescending attitude response wp. The ways that the Fry community has been scr*wed is well documented on this board. To continually batter a still raw, used and abused community is bordering sadistic. Are we the only community scr*wed in this process? No. Are we the only ones taking this kind of abuse for defending our position? Yes. We are also the only area to my knowledge that has a LONG list of the various ways we have been scr*wed. FWIW- I think this has been played out to the enth degree on this board. Either you get it or you don't. This topic is waaaaaaaaay off course. Can we lock it now? 1) I don't think I'm being condescending - I'm actually seeking to understand - there's a difference between thinking you got a raw deal and thinking there's ulterior motives. 2) I am not trying to do an battering. I undertand that people are trying to accept things & move forward - but, it someone, from that area, brings up the topic - can it not be discussed? |
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Post by EagleDad on Feb 27, 2008 6:09:14 GMT -6
This topic is waaaaaaaaay off course. Can we lock it now? By your command... (insert cylon sound effect here) |
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