Metea Valley moving forward ..DH 3.5.08

[d204mom]

sushi said:

rural said:

I don't think that's what they're ponying up their $204 checks for.

Have to agree with you. They want boundary changes. It will not happen. I still think that details would satisfy a lot of people, but not all.

So if every single person's motives aren't pure then you negate the entire message?

Last time I checked the school board themselves went out of their way to get selfish YES votes by publishing the location and the boundaries before the vote. They didn't really question the motive behind the YES vote. But now the shoe is on the other foot and the district is indignant about it?

[rural]

According to the Jan 15, 2008 Land Comparison Opening in 2009,
Turner construction estimates:

AME: 126,301,400
BB: 123,463,200

How did you come by your numbers for construction?

[rural]

d204mom said:

So if every single person's motives aren't pure then you negate the entire message?

Nobody's shooting the messenger, just pointing out the obvious.

[secondtimearound]

brad204 said:

rural said:

I don't think that's what they're ponying up their $204 checks for.

Then maybe we should all create a group for accountability. I'll tell which groups I personally dislike the most.

1. The I do not want to go to a certain HS group

2. The I am so glad I got my HS assignment I am going to over look all the other issues. Oh, and I will be self righteous about it My self righteous behavior will be masked as caring, "For The Kids".

I hold both groups with the same level of disdain.

Brad, I couldn't agree with you more. If the SB and Admin just opened themselves up, I think a lot of this could be avoided. It is very true that many of these same parents opening their checkbooks now have been strong supporters of the SB in the past. While boundary and referendum committees were never perfect in the past, they did allow for diverse groups of parents across the district to be involved and led to more open dialogue than what we are getting today. I implore the SB and SD to try to extend the olive branch and open their data for the public to see. While this may not satisfy everyone, it could go a long way.

[d204mom]

rural said:

According to the Jan 15, 2008 Land Comparison Opening in 2009,
Turner construction estimates:

AME: 126,301,400
BB: 123,463,200

How did you come by your numbers for construction?

Sorry I pulled the wrong numbers - from the 2010 page instead of the 2009 page. But the 2009 numbers still show that the same school with the same opening date at AME is roughly $3 million more than at BB.

[rural]

So, you are suggesting that the school board should just provide the people who are threatening to sue them with the ammunition to do so? It's beyond the point of not return. A line has been drawn in the sand by the Neighborhood Schools group and the district would be stupid to offer them any information that could be used against them in the future.

[proschool]

They shouldn't be buying this land until the tests are back, the site is midigated and the public has the chance to weigh in after all the facts have been collected. that's really not asking for much.

[proschool]

rural said:

So, you are suggesting that the school board should just provide the people who are threatening to sue them with the ammunition to do so? It's beyond the point of not return. A line has been drawn in the sand by the Neighborhood Schools group and the district would be stupid to offer them any information that could be used against them in the future.

Giving information is exactly what they need to do. Anything less is a coverup.

[sushi]

Brad, do you think people who got their desired HS are overlooking issues? I just think they are unaffected so aren't paying attention.

[twhl]

slp said:

I think the lawsuit would carry more weight if it specifically asked for (its goal) ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE RELEASE OF ALL INFORMATION.

I don't think there are many in this entire district that would be against that.

eta: i have to agree that the misrepresentations that have surfaced have even the most dye-hard sb supporters questioning what has really happened. That was evident by the number of 204thekids and election campaign workers that were at the meeting the other night just to hear what the NSFOC had to say. People have lost their trust in the board based on info that has surfaced. These folks don't necessarily agree a lawsuit is the way to go, but they don't blindly trust the sb like they once did.

An email I wrote to Dr D and KB in early Jan and went unanswered -

The community is asking for all the details as the District can not afford to be torn apart again. Although time is critical, this is an important decision. The long term effects clearly outway the rush to build if it is not truly the right place and one that imposes the least amount of anxiety. A well informed supporter is a supporter for life. No one will think ill of the Admin or Board if it truly is the right decision and all the facts are available. That will not be true if it appears the we are not being given accurate information. For if that is the case, future referendums could not get the nod no matter how badly they may be needed and no legacy can afford that. 204 is a great district, lets keep it that way.

Thank you in advance for your consideration.

[rural]

d204mom said:

rural said:

According to the Jan 15, 2008 Land Comparison Opening in 2009,
Turner construction estimates:

AME: 126,301,400
BB: 123,463,200

How did you come by your numbers for construction?

Sorry I pulled the wrong numbers - from the 2010 page instead of the 2009 page. But the 2009 numbers still show that the same school with the same opening date at AME is roughly $3 million more than at BB.

Maybe the difference is the explosion-proof and EMF-blocking walls they will have to install.

[WeBe204]

rural said:

So, you are suggesting that the school board should just provide the people who are threatening to sue them with the ammunition to do so? It's beyond the point of not return. A line has been drawn in the sand by the Neighborhood Schools group and the district would be stupid to offer them any information that could be used against them in the future.

I think that is being melodramatic. First you have to believe they have a case. Second no one has filed anything. Yes, I am suggesting citizens all in the same district sit down together and talk. This is not like Iran nuclear negotiations. We need less of this you are Either With Us or Against Us mentality.

[d204mom]

As a funny aside, when I picked up the NaperSun today and saw the front page:

NOBODY'S LISTENING

I assumed it was a D204 story. I thought, well, not listening is at least better than scoffing and name-calling.

But no, it was a story about the Chamber's visit to Springfield and the D204 story was inside.

[twhl]

rural said:

So, you are suggesting that the school board should just provide the people who are threatening to sue them with the ammunition to do so? It's beyond the point of not return. A line has been drawn in the sand by the Neighborhood Schools group and the district would be stupid to offer them any information that could be used against them in the future.

The truth would be nice??

[sleeplessinnpvl]

proschool said:

They shouldn't be buying this land until the tests are back, the site is midigated and the public has the chance to weigh in after all the facts have been collected. that's really not asking for much.

The closing has been delayed until March 19. The damages for BB are coming in March 17, right? Hopefully the Phase II is end of this week. Maybe we will have more info in a few days than we do now. Too bad we have to wait for the newspaper to give us the information and not the SB.