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Post by macrockett on May 19, 2010 21:55:39 GMT -6
The terms of a tentative two-year agreement were presented to the 2,170 members of the Indian Prairie Educational Association (IPEA) on Wednesday night. Superintendent Kathy Birkett said the agreement is a collaborative effort that takes into consideration the recent financial challenges created by the anticipated reduction in state funding next year. The tentative agreement provides a savings of $2.5 million in the first year of the contract. The savings come from salaries remaining unchanged next year and implementing a more efficient medical plan. Teachers will also not receive the annual "step" increase provided for additional education or experience. In 2011-12, teachers will receive a 1.26 percent increase on their base salary beginning mid-year and "step" increases for education and experience will be allowed. The fiscally responsible terms of the tentative contract also provide jobs for some teachers that were released for next year. "Thanks to the hard work by all members of the negotiating team, the district is able to bring back 16 - 23 elementary teachers next year, which helps reduce class sizes while continuing to provide quality education," Birkett said. Val Dranias, IPEA President, stated, "Our goals were to be fiscally responsible, do what was best for students and staff, bring back as many released teachers as possible, reduce class size and stay competitive with benchmark districts. We believe that this contract accomplishes those goals." District officials and the IPEA began negotiations in February. The current contract expires at the end of August. The IPEA ratification vote takes place on May 27. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- School District 204 www.ipsd.org780 Shoreline Drive Aurora, IL 60504 USA You (Kathy Birkett) state above "The tentative agreement provides a savings of $2.5 million in the first year of the contract. The savings come from salaries remaining unchanged next year." Please explain how that is a savings? What it shows me is a certain arrogance of entitlement, i.e., it's a new year therefore we are entitled to a raise. Perhaps you should take a look at my thread ipsd204.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talkabout&action=display&thread=2788 and see what is happening out in the real world. The kind of thinking that the teachers union and all public unions are exhibiting is quickly alienating the private sector. That sentiment is growing quite rapidly from what I see. Edited to clarify I was speaking to Ms. Birkett and the teachers union |
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Post by Arch on May 20, 2010 0:08:39 GMT -6
I agree. Just what is the 'savings' here? You want real savings? Then hire non-union teachers. There are plenty out there who would LOVE to teach and not sit back on their ass due to tenure and just regurgitate what they steal off the internet for a 'lesson plan'. Further, why are some classes having the students group together to give the 'review' for finals? Some have given WRONG information; yet it's not corrected...but some students know the information is wrong and just smile to themselves wondering how everyone else is going to do on the final exam. This type of exercise is just another way some tenured 'teachers' want to shuck their responsibility of actually 'teaching'. I hope everyone's kids know the proper material for the coming week.
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Post by district204 on May 20, 2010 5:21:30 GMT -6
It continues to amaze me that the district 204 school board allows the largest immediate savings to continue to slide by and the public is not outraged. Instead as all good shell games are played the focus is shifted to the contract. 1) Once again the school board would not allow the the union to no longer pay for the admins health and dental bills. Please keep that in mind when you begin to complain. Realize people are paying for others health and they our wonderful, gifted admin skate by again. THANKS KURT & the gang way to show some backbone. 2) Comparatively once again the esteemed board of ed allowed the district 204 ADMIN pay and salaries to remain FAR above district 203 without asking them to reduce them more in line with district 203 admin who have routinely proven to handle finances far better then the bake sale club we have leading the way. 3) It was the union NOT the admin who is relinquishing funds to add teachers without adding to the budget to minimize impact on the classroom. The admin cannot refute this one at all. Once again the admin walk free. I had the pleasure of sitting last evening in a restaurant after the agreement was presented when in came about 12 teachers from various schools. ALL very disappointed that OUR school board once again buckled and did not DEMAND that the admin get in line with district 203 admin pay grade wise now. REMEMBER THE HARD TIMES or is it just convenient to ignore what the admin and school board once again orchestrated and people focus on the union. You think by now people would pick up on this. Oh and if you think this is not fact. During negotiations when a union rep addressed that the admin pay their own way and enough was enough the person was admonished by the facilitator and told that was not to be a part of these negotiations. REALLY?  Funny but isn't that costing us money it should not be. Shame on those who once again followed the spot light they wanted you to, while the admin hides with their pocketed school board in the shadows. Interesting views heard last night straw pool is this just may not pass kids. Gonna be a fun summer ahead. |
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Post by doctorwho on May 20, 2010 5:52:41 GMT -6
It continues to amaze me that the district 204 school board allows the largest immediate savings to continue to slide by and the public is not outraged. Instead as all good shell games are played the focus is shifted to the contract. 1) Once again the school board would not allow the the union to no longer pay for the admins health and dental bills. Please keep that in mind when you begin to complain. Realize people are paying for others health and they our wonderful, gifted admin skate by again. THANKS KURT & the gang way to show some backbone. 2) Comparatively once again the esteemed board of ed allowed the district 204 ADMIN pay and salaries to remain FAR above district 203 without asking them to reduce them more in line with district 203 admin who have routinely proven to handle finances far better then the bake sale club we have leading the way. 3) It was the union NOT the admin who is relinquishing funds to add teachers without adding to the budget to minimize impact on the classroom. The admin cannot refute this one at all. Once again the admin walk free. I had the pleasure of sitting last evening in a restaurant after the agreement was presented when in came about 12 teachers from various schools. ALL very disappointed that OUR school board once again buckled and did not DEMAND that the admin get in line with district 203 admin pay grade wise now. REMEMBER THE HARD TIMES or is it just convenient to ignore what the admin and school board once again orchestrated and people focus on the union. You think by now people would pick up on this. Oh and if you think this is not fact. During negotiations when a union rep addressed that the admin pay their own way and enough was enough the person was admonished by the facilitator and told that was not to be a part of these negotiations. REALLY? Funny but isn't that costing us money it should not be. Shame on those who once again followed the spot light they wanted you to, while the admin hides with their pocketed school board in the shadows. Interesting views heard last night straw pool is this just may not pass kids. Gonna be a fun summer ahead. The admin and the SB are very hard to separate in this district -- this is just another example. Same with the lines between PTSA and SB and admin...very blurry here |
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Post by doctorwho on May 20, 2010 5:55:04 GMT -6
The terms of a tentative two-year agreement were presented to the 2,170 members of the Indian Prairie Educational Association (IPEA) on Wednesday night. Superintendent Kathy Birkett said the agreement is a collaborative effort that takes into consideration the recent financial challenges created by the anticipated reduction in state funding next year. The tentative agreement provides a savings of $2.5 million in the first year of the contract. The savings come from salaries remaining unchanged next year and implementing a more efficient medical plan. Teachers will also not receive the annual "step" increase provided for additional education or experience. In 2011-12, teachers will receive a 1.26 percent increase on their base salary beginning mid-year and "step" increases for education and experience will be allowed. The fiscally responsible terms of the tentative contract also provide jobs for some teachers that were released for next year. "Thanks to the hard work by all members of the negotiating team, the district is able to bring back 16 - 23 elementary teachers next year, which helps reduce class sizes while continuing to provide quality education," Birkett said. Val Dranias, IPEA President, stated, "Our goals were to be fiscally responsible, do what was best for students and staff, bring back as many released teachers as possible, reduce class size and stay competitive with benchmark districts. We believe that this contract accomplishes those goals." District officials and the IPEA began negotiations in February. The current contract expires at the end of August. The IPEA ratification vote takes place on May 27. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- School District 204 www.ipsd.org780 Shoreline Drive Aurora, IL 60504 USA You (Kathy Birkett) state above "The tentative agreement provides a savings of $2.5 million in the first year of the contract. The savings come from salaries remaining unchanged next year." Please explain how that is a savings? What it shows me is a certain arrogance of entitlement, i.e., it's a new year therefore we are entitled to a raise. Perhaps you should take a look at my thread ipsd204.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talkabout&action=display&thread=2788 and see what is happening out in the real world. The kind of thinking that the teachers union and all public unions are exhibiting is quickly alienating the private sector. That sentiment is growing quite rapidly from what I see. Edited to clarify I was speaking to Ms. Birkett and the teachers union this is from the same accounting book that claimed trailer and unsold land as assets against the 3rd high school - but didn't list the bond expense as a cost -- trying to make sense of the bottom line can't be done here |
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Post by macrockett on May 20, 2010 6:49:04 GMT -6
It continues to amaze me that the district 204 school board allows the largest immediate savings to continue to slide by and the public is not outraged. Instead as all good shell games are played the focus is shifted to the contract. 1) Once again the school board would not allow the the union to no longer pay for the admins health and dental bills. Please keep that in mind when you begin to complain. Realize people are paying for others health and they our wonderful, gifted admin skate by again. THANKS KURT & the gang way to show some backbone. 2) Comparatively once again the esteemed board of ed allowed the district 204 ADMIN pay and salaries to remain FAR above district 203 without asking them to reduce them more in line with district 203 admin who have routinely proven to handle finances far better then the bake sale club we have leading the way. 3) It was the union NOT the admin who is relinquishing funds to add teachers without adding to the budget to minimize impact on the classroom. The admin cannot refute this one at all. Once again the admin walk free. I had the pleasure of sitting last evening in a restaurant after the agreement was presented when in came about 12 teachers from various schools. ALL very disappointed that OUR school board once again buckled and did not DEMAND that the admin get in line with district 203 admin pay grade wise now. REMEMBER THE HARD TIMES or is it just convenient to ignore what the admin and school board once again orchestrated and people focus on the union. You think by now people would pick up on this. Oh and if you think this is not fact. During negotiations when a union rep addressed that the admin pay their own way and enough was enough the person was admonished by the facilitator and told that was not to be a part of these negotiations. REALLY? Funny but isn't that costing us money it should not be. Shame on those who once again followed the spot light they wanted you to, while the admin hides with their pocketed school board in the shadows. Interesting views heard last night straw pool is this just may not pass kids. Gonna be a fun summer ahead. I agree with you district204. I also think our board is negligent in not consolidating unnecessary space now, let alone building unnecessary space known as MVHS. However, the big gorilla in the room is the monopoly and the power they seem to have over our elected officials. I will be glad to show you the math of my contributions to social security, 12.4%, as employer and employee, of the maximum contribution for the last 25 years, and the less than a contractual obligation I have for it ... compared to the guaranteed pension and health benefits of public union members that I support with my income taxes. If you understand economics the way I do, you come to one conclusion. Our current educational system is unsustainable. More importantly, our pension obligations are our Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, and even the Uk, combined. In the next few years I predict the federal government will be put in the position of bailing out at least Illinois and California. I urge everyone to read every article in the thread I posted above. |
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Post by casey on May 20, 2010 7:27:16 GMT -6
Ok, so here's a really dumb question...but how do the administrator salaries get negotiated? I'm guessing the SB just lays down and gives them what they want but when did/does that take place? What kind of contract is in place?
I know that they decide on terms for the Super but what about everyone else? In other words, when can the SB go back to the with administrators and put everything on the table - raises, healthcare premiums, dental premiums, retirement packages, etc. I know there is no union for administrators so how do these contracts get determined? I honestly do not know. Can someone explain?
I think it's time for the little big man (MM) et al to sit down and do some 'splaining to 204 employees and the public.
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Post by Leviathan on May 20, 2010 8:09:51 GMT -6
2009 203 v 204 Admin Salary Comparison
INDIAN PRAIRIE CUSD 204 $110,006
NAPERVILLE CUSD 203 $115,494
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Post by district204 on May 20, 2010 8:36:11 GMT -6
Wow your numbers are as funny and made up as the northern IL 10,800 they fed us. Go to champion.org and you will see clearly 204 is far above. Not to mention the district 203 admin pay their own health and dental.
Good try on the numbers next you going to post we need another high school because a wave of new kids is coming right?
To answer the district 204 human resources handles the contracts for admin. They are all on year to year contracts.
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Post by macrockett on May 20, 2010 10:22:36 GMT -6
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Post by gatordog on May 20, 2010 15:03:01 GMT -6
Wow your numbers are as funny and made up .... Leviathan's numbers come directly from the State Report cards for each district. I looked them up myself. |
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Post by EagleDad on May 20, 2010 15:27:54 GMT -6
Wow your numbers are as funny and made up .... Leviathan's numbers come directly from the State Report cards for each district. I looked them up myself. OK, but what are they? 2009 203 v 204 Admin Salary Comparison
INDIAN PRAIRIE CUSD 204 $110,006
NAPERVILLE CUSD 203 $115,494 is one number in a comparison? Is it supposed to be the average administrator salary or something (is it median, mean, mode)? I saw a k-nearest neighbors (KNN) analysis on the various school districts in the area focused on academic achievement, adding in administrator salaries would be interesting. |
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Post by doctorwho on May 20, 2010 15:34:36 GMT -6
Leviathan's numbers come directly from the State Report cards for each district. I looked them up myself. OK, but what are they? 2009 203 v 204 Admin Salary Comparison
INDIAN PRAIRIE CUSD 204 $110,006
NAPERVILLE CUSD 203 $115,494 is one number in a comparison? Is it supposed to be the average administrator salary or something (is it median, mean, mode)? I saw a k-nearest neighbors (KNN) analysis on the various school districts in the area focused on academic achievement, adding in administrator salaries would be interesting. and what portion of their benefits are each school district paying ? My understanding is that there is a significant difference- it's total compensation, not just salary we won't even get into the results diffrences or the fact that 203 is UNDER budget on their capital expenditure while our district spent $20M over the referendum. Likely why 203 not looking to cut anything and not going through the dog and pony show we are with music technique. |
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Post by district204 on May 20, 2010 17:48:33 GMT -6
Mike is 100% correct 203 has 2008 and 2009 loaded not current numbers. Admin in 203 pay their own ticket for health and dental. Why would anyone be apposed to having our admin do the same. It is criminal this is continued to occur each year.
Let's say at your office next week your now paying for your managers health and dental and his boss and so on. So would you be OK with that?
Yet our FINE in the pocket school board continues the charade. The district spends over 11 million a year for 92 admin just in salary and an additional $300 to $400k per year in what the union gets paid to pay for this free ride. That is really OK with everyone?
Based on what I have heard and know clearly this new version of the school board is a remake of the same old wink and nod with the admin.
Wow Governor like politics in our neighborhood. Anyone surprised?
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Post by district204 on May 20, 2010 18:19:04 GMT -6
Lot of email chatter amongst the rank and file. So much so that the email system is now down. Interesting.
Also why won't the district admin release the stipend list? The page identifying who makes what in stipends the admin is refusing to release. Why, what is being hidden? Every other contract it has been released when a contract has been brought firth to ratify. Yet this year it is missing and now word is our fine admin will not release it? Kathy why? So much for transparency.
Word has it only 120 to 140 showed at the contract presentation out of 2,000. Either apathy or anger from what was leaked about the contract. This one is betting on anger. Stay tuned but a yes vote may not be what happens next week.
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Funny but isn't that costing us money it should not be.
