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Post by doctorwho on May 19, 2010 15:07:12 GMT -6
Okay - maybe I am reading this wrong ( and I am sure I will hear from some that I am ) but how poor may these be that they are admitting 'gaps' in student learning to be addressed ? I can tell them one- how about teaching grammar in your English classes in MS and stop making homework 30% of some grades !
If these scores were great you know there'd be articles in the Herald about how well the new school is doing. I actually hope I am wrong in the assumption as I hope all those extra tax dollars are doing something.
I guess that pendulum still hasn't swung yet ! Did anyone from WVHS or NVHS get a similar message ? How did it read ?
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From: Metea Valley High School News [mailto:MVHS-NEWS@LISTSERV.IPSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Schmid, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:36 PM
To: MVHS-NEWS@LISTSERV.IPSD.ORG
Subject: [MVHS-NEWS] School Improvement
Good Afternoon, sorry I did not send this sooner, but this message is a quick summary of our School Improvement Day last Friday. We had two primary objectives, one – transition new staff (40 members) to MVHS with a perspective of Metea Valley and the values we hold as critical, and two, spend quality time examining the ACT exam that our sophomores took in late April.
We welcomed new staff members with a PTSA sponsored breakfast and luncheon desserts, and a number of thoughtful “freebies” from local merchants - a huge thank you to our incredibly supportive PTSA!! We also presented building initiatives in the area of culture and climate, student engagement teaching strategies, and our expectations about teacher collaboration.
We then spent significant time on ACT student test scores and an analysis of what the data told us about our instruction and the gaps in student learning. We will continue our efforts in this area at the outset of the 2010-11 school year.
The very best to your families as we enter our final exam week and conclude our initial year together!! Go go Mustangs!!
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Post by refbasics on May 19, 2010 16:15:15 GMT -6
Okay - maybe I am reading this wrong ( and I am sure I will hear from some that I am ) but how poor may these be that they are admitting 'gaps' in student learning to be addressed ? I can tell them one- how about teaching grammar in your English classes in MS and stop making homework 30% of some grades ! If these scores were great you know there'd be articles in the Herald about how well the new school is doing. I actually hope I am wrong in the assumption as I hope all those extra tax dollars are doing something. I guess that pendulum still hasn't swung yet ! Did anyone from WVHS or NVHS get a similar message ? How did it read ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Metea Valley High School News [mailto:MVHS-NEWS@LISTSERV.IPSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Schmid, Jim Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:36 PM To: MVHS-NEWS@LISTSERV.IPSD.ORG Subject: [MVHS-NEWS] School Improvement Good Afternoon, sorry I did not send this sooner, but this message is a quick summary of our School Improvement Day last Friday. We had two primary objectives, one – transition new staff (40 members) to MVHS with a perspective of Metea Valley and the values we hold as critical, and two, spend quality time examining the ACT exam that our sophomores took in late April. We welcomed new staff members with a PTSA sponsored breakfast and luncheon desserts, and a number of thoughtful “freebies” from local merchants - a huge thank you to our incredibly supportive PTSA!! We also presented building initiatives in the area of culture and climate, student engagement teaching strategies, and our expectations about teacher collaboration. We then spent significant time on ACT student test scores and an analysis of what the data told us about our instruction and the gaps in student learning. We will continue our efforts in this area at the outset of the 2010-11 school year. The very best to your families as we enter our final exam week and conclude our initial year together!! Go go Mustangs!! -------------------------- not that i can answer your questions but i get the emails from all 3 hi schools, a middle school and elementary(i try to read a bit from each from time to time).. i must say mr schmid is the only one (of the schools i get emails from)who tells us WHAT they are doing during the SIP  so i find it informative. i'm guessing that all kids taking AP classes are not passing the tests. they are not getting 3(s)(?- i think that's passing), 4(s), 5(s)----"passing grades"-- why would a student take an AP class, if they can't pass the test? either the teacher isn't teaching correctly, the student isn't applying himself, or the student shouldn't be attempting an AP class.. maybe they need better guidance on that?  you can still get a good grade in an AP class, but if you don't pass the test... you wouldn't want the score sent to a college, and you 'wasted' $86 for each AP test(they aren't cheap!) i don't know how dropping a class works.. since i haven't run into that circumstance. |
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Post by doctorwho on May 19, 2010 16:19:04 GMT -6
Okay - maybe I am reading this wrong ( and I am sure I will hear from some that I am ) but how poor may these be that they are admitting 'gaps' in student learning to be addressed ? I can tell them one- how about teaching grammar in your English classes in MS and stop making homework 30% of some grades ! If these scores were great you know there'd be articles in the Herald about how well the new school is doing. I actually hope I am wrong in the assumption as I hope all those extra tax dollars are doing something. I guess that pendulum still hasn't swung yet ! Did anyone from WVHS or NVHS get a similar message ? How did it read ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Metea Valley High School News [mailto:MVHS-NEWS@LISTSERV.IPSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Schmid, Jim Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:36 PM To: MVHS-NEWS@LISTSERV.IPSD.ORG Subject: [MVHS-NEWS] School Improvement Good Afternoon, sorry I did not send this sooner, but this message is a quick summary of our School Improvement Day last Friday. We had two primary objectives, one – transition new staff (40 members) to MVHS with a perspective of Metea Valley and the values we hold as critical, and two, spend quality time examining the ACT exam that our sophomores took in late April. We welcomed new staff members with a PTSA sponsored breakfast and luncheon desserts, and a number of thoughtful “freebies” from local merchants - a huge thank you to our incredibly supportive PTSA!! We also presented building initiatives in the area of culture and climate, student engagement teaching strategies, and our expectations about teacher collaboration. We then spent significant time on ACT student test scores and an analysis of what the data told us about our instruction and the gaps in student learning. We will continue our efforts in this area at the outset of the 2010-11 school year. The very best to your families as we enter our final exam week and conclude our initial year together!! Go go Mustangs!! -------------------------- not that i can answer your questions but i get the emails from all 3 hi schools, a middle school and elementary(i try to read a bit from each from time to time).. i must say mr schmid is the only one (of the schools i get emails from)who tells us WHAT they are doing during the SIP so i find it informative. i'm guessing that all kids taking AP classes are not passing the tests. they are not getting 3(s)(?- i think that's passing), 4(s), 5(s)----"passing grades"-- why would a student take an AP class, if they can't pass the test? either the teacher isn't teaching correctly, the student isn't applying himself, or the student shouldn't be attempting an AP class.. maybe they need better guidance on that? you can still get a good grade in an AP class, but if you don't pass the test... you wouldn't want the score sent to a college, and you 'wasted' $86 for each AP test(they aren't cheap!) i don't know how dropping a class works.. since i haven't run into that circumstance. I remember when I attended the future honors class meeting @ WVHS a few years ago and was shocked at the very very low % of kids getting credit for AP classes- if I remember right ( and there are someothers here that were there with me) - it was 20% or so. However I think this communique has to do with the PLAN ( ACT) test scores that sophs take predicting their ACT scores junior year. Yes, Jim does speak more- as he is the person who clearly identifed the whole pendulum deal with grades/class content at a HS level and how they were going to fix by 2012 - although a few apologists deny hearing any of the 20 minutes or so he spent explaining - but I am curious to see if the other 2 principals will now address - and if they have the same- or different findings |
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Post by refbasics on May 19, 2010 16:40:22 GMT -6
-------------------------- not that i can answer your questions but i get the emails from all 3 hi schools, a middle school and elementary(i try to read a bit from each from time to time).. i must say mr schmid is the only one (of the schools i get emails from)who tells us WHAT they are doing during the SIP so i find it informative. i'm guessing that all kids taking AP classes are not passing the tests. they are not getting 3(s)(?- i think that's passing), 4(s), 5(s)----"passing grades"-- why would a student take an AP class, if they can't pass the test? either the teacher isn't teaching correctly, the student isn't applying himself, or the student shouldn't be attempting an AP class.. maybe they need better guidance on that? you can still get a good grade in an AP class, but if you don't pass the test... you wouldn't want the score sent to a college, and you 'wasted' $86 for each AP test(they aren't cheap!) i don't know how dropping a class works.. since i haven't run into that circumstance. I remember when I attended the future honors class meeting @ WVHS a few years ago and was shocked at the very very low % of kids getting credit for AP classes- if I remember right ( and there are someothers here that were there with me) - it was 20% or so. However I think this communique has to do with the PLAN ( ACT) test scores that sophs take predicting their ACT scores junior year. Yes, Jim does speak more- as he is the person who clearly identifed the whole pendulum deal with grades/class content at a HS level and how they were going to fix by 2012 - although a few apologists deny hearing any of the 20 minutes or so he spent explaining - but I am curious to see if the other 2 principals will now address - and if they have the same- or different findings ------------------------ OMG!! i need to put my READING glasses on... so sorry!!! i don't have a lot to add about the PLAN test.. my son took a couple years ago at NV. and did really well.. they said the average for a soph would be in the 'hi teens'... but when i went to the parent nite for the discussion of it... i don't recall any talk that nite, or anytime about 'gaps'.. in fact, i thought that there wasn't any 'heads up' about the test coming up.. nothing like the ISATS... i didn't know anything about the PLAN test(or PSAT).. i found out after the fact(you can see i'm on my FIRST hi schooler- now i am much more with it!) only 200 or so parents attended the parents' nite discussion on the PLAN results... i got the feeling the test was just a 'practice' kind of thing, something the kids shouldn't really prepare for? that it was to help students find their academic strengths, and start thinking about what they wanted to do college-wise or post-high school. in fact, there was a company there speaking to us about signing up for their college counseling program(i was quite miffed about that) maybe the 'laissez-faire' approach to PLAN and PSAT has changed??? i do not know! |
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Post by doctorwho on May 19, 2010 17:03:23 GMT -6
I remember when I attended the future honors class meeting @ WVHS a few years ago and was shocked at the very very low % of kids getting credit for AP classes- if I remember right ( and there are someothers here that were there with me) - it was 20% or so. However I think this communique has to do with the PLAN ( ACT) test scores that sophs take predicting their ACT scores junior year. Yes, Jim does speak more- as he is the person who clearly identifed the whole pendulum deal with grades/class content at a HS level and how they were going to fix by 2012 - although a few apologists deny hearing any of the 20 minutes or so he spent explaining - but I am curious to see if the other 2 principals will now address - and if they have the same- or different findings ------------------------ OMG!! i need to put my READING glasses on... so sorry!!! i don't have a lot to add about the PLAN test.. my son took a couple years ago at NV. and did really well.. they said the average for a soph would be in the 'hi teens'... but when i went to the parent nite for the discussion of it... i don't recall any talk that nite, or anytime about 'gaps'.. in fact, i thought that there wasn't any 'heads up' about the test coming up.. nothing like the ISATS... i didn't know anything about the PLAN test(or PSAT).. i found out after the fact(you can see i'm on my FIRST hi schooler- now i am much more with it!) only 200 or so parents attended the parents' nite discussion on the PLAN results... i got the feeling the test was just a 'practice' kind of thing, something the kids shouldn't really prepare for? that it was to help students find their academic strengths, and start thinking about what they wanted to do college-wise or post-high school. in fact, there was a company there speaking to us about signing up for their college counseling program(i was quite miffed about that) maybe the 'laissez-faire' approach to PLAN and PSAT has changed??? i do not know! I found out the PLAN and PSAT results attract colleges immediately- over 150 ( many highly competitive ones) contacted my daughter - many numerous times after the results came out. Definitely not 'practice' - although our district seems to think the PSAT is not worth taking - especially since we are now lock step with ACT. |
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Post by refbasics on May 19, 2010 17:45:33 GMT -6
------------------------ OMG!! i need to put my READING glasses on... so sorry!!! i don't have a lot to add about the PLAN test.. my son took a couple years ago at NV. and did really well.. they said the average for a soph would be in the 'hi teens'... but when i went to the parent nite for the discussion of it... i don't recall any talk that nite, or anytime about 'gaps'.. in fact, i thought that there wasn't any 'heads up' about the test coming up.. nothing like the ISATS... i didn't know anything about the PLAN test(or PSAT).. i found out after the fact(you can see i'm on my FIRST hi schooler- now i am much more with it!) only 200 or so parents attended the parents' nite discussion on the PLAN results... i got the feeling the test was just a 'practice' kind of thing, something the kids shouldn't really prepare for? that it was to help students find their academic strengths, and start thinking about what they wanted to do college-wise or post-high school. in fact, there was a company there speaking to us about signing up for their college counseling program(i was quite miffed about that) maybe the 'laissez-faire' approach to PLAN and PSAT has changed??? i do not know! I found out the PLAN and PSAT results attract colleges immediately- over 150 ( many highly competitive ones) contacted my daughter - many numerous times after the results came out. Definitely not 'practice' - although our district seems to think the PSAT is not worth taking - especially since we are now lock step with ACT. ------------------------------------- yes, after my son did very well on PLAN & PSAT, he received numerous brochures from schools all over the country(&canada).. luckily he did not check the box on the PLAN test that said "do not contact me" as, unfortunately, another student did, much to the chagrin of his mother! and i did not feel much attention was paid to PSAT, either, by the high school.. and the possibility of a National Merit Scholarship, or Commendation(which my son got) since this is my first high schooler, i was very in the dark about the tests and processes, even tho i went to all the meetings, and got the prephq emails, etc. fellow parents were clueless too.. i often knew more than they did! i guess i must be hanging around the wrong people! |
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Post by doctorwho on May 19, 2010 17:52:34 GMT -6
I found out the PLAN and PSAT results attract colleges immediately- over 150 ( many highly competitive ones) contacted my daughter - many numerous times after the results came out. Definitely not 'practice' - although our district seems to think the PSAT is not worth taking - especially since we are now lock step with ACT. ------------------------------------- yes, after my son did very well on PLAN & PSAT, he received numerous brochures from schools all over the country(&canada).. luckily he did not check the box on the PLAN test that said "do not contact me" as, unfortunately, another student did, much to the chagrin of his mother! and i did not feel much attention was paid to PSAT, either, by the high school.. and the possibility of a National Merit Scholarship, or Commendation(which my son got) since this is my first high schooler, i was very in the dark about the tests and processes, even tho i went to all the meetings, and got the prephq emails, etc. fellow parents were clueless too.. i often knew more than they did! i guess i must be hanging around the wrong people! you are the company you keep ;D |
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Post by casey on May 19, 2010 18:09:56 GMT -6
Okay - maybe I am reading this wrong ( and I am sure I will hear from some that I am ) but how poor may these be that they are admitting 'gaps' in student learning to be addressed ? I can tell them one- how about teaching grammar in your English classes in MS and stop making homework 30% of some grades ! If these scores were great you know there'd be articles in the Herald about how well the new school is doing. I actually hope I am wrong in the assumption as I hope all those extra tax dollars are doing something. I guess that pendulum still hasn't swung yet ! Did anyone from WVHS or NVHS get a similar message ? How did it read ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Metea Valley High School News [mailto:MVHS-NEWS@LISTSERV.IPSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Schmid, Jim Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:36 PM To: MVHS-NEWS@LISTSERV.IPSD.ORG Subject: [MVHS-NEWS] School Improvement We then spent significant time on ACT student test scores and an analysis of what the data told us about our instruction and the gaps in student learning. We will continue our efforts in this area at the outset of the 2010-11 school year. You all are forgetting one VERY important fact...Waubonsie sophomore DID NOT TAKE THE ACT TEST! Still annoys the heck out of me. There's no data to analyze there! |
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Post by doctorwho on May 19, 2010 18:31:18 GMT -6
Okay - maybe I am reading this wrong ( and I am sure I will hear from some that I am ) but how poor may these be that they are admitting 'gaps' in student learning to be addressed ? I can tell them one- how about teaching grammar in your English classes in MS and stop making homework 30% of some grades ! If these scores were great you know there'd be articles in the Herald about how well the new school is doing. I actually hope I am wrong in the assumption as I hope all those extra tax dollars are doing something. I guess that pendulum still hasn't swung yet ! Did anyone from WVHS or NVHS get a similar message ? How did it read ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Metea Valley High School News [mailto:MVHS-NEWS@LISTSERV.IPSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Schmid, Jim Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:36 PM To: MVHS-NEWS@LISTSERV.IPSD.ORG Subject: [MVHS-NEWS] School Improvement We then spent significant time on ACT student test scores and an analysis of what the data told us about our instruction and the gaps in student learning. We will continue our efforts in this area at the outset of the 2010-11 school year. You all are forgetting one VERY important fact...Waubonsie sophomore DID NOT TAKE THE ACT TEST! Still annoys the heck out of me. There's no data to analyze there! you know I had forgotten that - thanks for reminding me-- I find it truly amazing, but unfortunately little surprises me any more in the 204 world. Inequity is the rule these days.. so all those kids who would have scored well stay off some schools radar for an extra 9-12 months...nice. |
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Post by casey on May 19, 2010 18:55:19 GMT -6
Well, here's what Neuqua did during their professional development - an entire newsletter devoted to explaining the professional development work done at NV. It has everything you could possibly want to know and then some. Personally, I think it looks they used the time wisely at NV. I'd like to see other schools put this information out there. nvhs.ipsd.org/uploads/principal_newsletter/NeuquaValley_May10Newsletter.pdf |
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Post by gatordog on May 20, 2010 10:53:11 GMT -6
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Post by doctorwho on May 20, 2010 11:18:10 GMT -6
This is getting college credit level correct? It was not the number given when we attended the session - as trust me it shocked more than a few of us...if this is the correct number for those receiving college level credit then I am very happy as that is a solid percentage |
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Post by Arch on May 20, 2010 11:49:29 GMT -6
This is getting college credit level correct? It was not the number given when we attended the session - as trust me it shocked more than a few of us...if this is the correct number for those receiving college level credit then I am very happy as that is a solid percentage No, 82% was not the number given out. I was there and a very low number was given out and I was like "Say what?!?!" It could have been a mis-speak at the time meaning to say about 20% DID NOT pass the test with a 3 or better, but the NOT part wasn't spoken... |
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Post by rew on May 21, 2010 9:58:18 GMT -6
For AP classes, whether you receive college credit or not, depends on the class and the college, but it is my understanding that while a 3 might make you eligible for advanced placement, for most classes a 4 or 5 is necessary for college credit.
GD, do you have the percentages scoring 4's and 5's?
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Post by gatordog on May 21, 2010 11:46:32 GMT -6
..... GD, do you have the percentages scoring 4's and 5's? no. The info I have on the two schools is in the links above. And it doesnt give that. |
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so i find it informative.