SUN LTE's 3/24

[doctorwho]

sushi said:

I think you're right - they have travelled too far down the Eola path already.

which is why they had no plans to slow down - and hence the lawsuit. Like it - or hate it- it was the only way to even try and stop the Eola site.

[d204mom]

Hey one other thing. If we do walk away from BB guess who is paying Steve Helm to prepare the damage claim right now?

Yeah, me and you.

[JB]

MWGEN is only "cheaper" for a the first few years.

Increased transportation costs will eat into that savings at about $1.5 million/year. Even using the districts acquisition cost numbers, break-even is about 12 years. Throw any damages on top, and the "savings" is eaten up even quicker.

So, from a strictly financial standpoint, BB is the superior long term decision.

Throw in the negative aspects of the MWGEN site, and the managerial decision to go with BB should be even clearer.

d204mom said:

Also the fact that they are not saying "we can't afford" BB anymore. Just that MWGEN is cheaper.

Well, we knew BB was more expensive all along.

And if BB gets additional damages, MWGEN isn't cheaper.

[proschool]

Geesh.... I don't want my kid going to school over a gaspipeline on a PCB laden site neat high energy transformers and power lines. If that makes me an ugle person then so be it.

Geesh at least don't buy the land before the site is mediated. I never heard of such a thing.

I am not form Tall Grass. But if I was I would rather go to a pool awayfrom power lines. My wife mentioned it as soon as she saw them. I reminded her that the builder probably put the pool their because they can't sell a house there. If you are spending that much time at the poll you are probabbly getting too much sun anyway.

[sushi]

d204mom said:

Does anybody really think BB is just going to walk away with nothing and hand over the rights to the 25 acres after what D204 has put them through?

depends on if they have a legal leg to stand on......

[sushi]

proschool said:

Geesh.... I don't want my kid going to school over a gaspipeline on a PCB laden site neat high energy transformers and power lines. If that makes me an ugle person then so be it.

Geesh at least don't buy the land before the site is mediated. I never heard of such a thing.

I am not form Tall Grass. But if I was I would rather go to a pool awayfrom power lines. My wife mentioned it as soon as she saw them. I reminded her that the builder probably put the pool their because they can't sell a house there. If you are spending that much time at the poll you are probabbly getting too much sun anyway.

It seems the trend in most neighborhoods. Schools and parks, pools are put in the less desirable locations (like power/ pipelines etc.)

[doctorwho]

sushi said:

proschool said:

Geesh.... I don't want my kid going to school over a gaspipeline on a PCB laden site neat high energy transformers and power lines. If that makes me an ugle person then so be it.

Geesh at least don't buy the land before the site is mediated. I never heard of such a thing.

I am not form Tall Grass. But if I was I would rather go to a pool awayfrom power lines. My wife mentioned it as soon as she saw them. I reminded her that the builder probably put the pool their because they can't sell a house there. If you are spending that much time at the poll you are probabbly getting too much sun anyway.

It seems the trend in most neighborhoods. Schools and parks, pools are put in the less desirable locations (like power/ pipelines etc.)

wasn't the trend school wise here until now -- did we put Patterson where it originally was slated ? No. And that property looks like Xanadu compared this MWGEN.

[WeBe204]

sushi said:

I think you're right - they have travelled too far down the Eola path already.

This is not going to be a very popular post.. But it's on my mind so I am jsut going to toss it out there...

I sort of agree with Sushi. What exactly is the trigger that is brining BB back? I am just curious because the sb/admin:

1. Approved the land purchase
2. Approved new boundaries
3. Approved construction contracts

Is is the BB damages?

I think the district will treat these like a sunk cost. They will pay whatever gets awarded and move on.

Or is it the lawsuit?

The lawsuit still has not even gotten past its first summary judgement. It could take longer than the new high school to play out.

Something in the evironmental reports?

The sb/admin have stated they have reviewed these reports and then look to be fine. So, this makes me think when they get on the web site they will be fine. I am not actually making a judgement here if it is fine or not.

Is it the unsold 25 acers?

With thier current surpplus I am sure they are not concerned about the ~6M from the sales of this land.


I guess I am only saying this because I keep seeing people posting items like we are still in land selection. This is sort of reality check in a way. The land selection is complete and approved.

I think a lot of people were thinking a TRO was going to happen. Maybe it will. But barring that I think the district will just keep moving forward with building the third high school.


I am not trying to be a wet blanket, but it seems like the we are still standing at the starting line and the rest of the party is already going at full speed.

Are there any new facts or data that is truly making people believe that BB is back in play?

Edit - And this does also circle back to doctor's point as well.

[d204mom]

So do you think the properties are closed? I would have thought that would be in the paper. Daeschner said March 19 is the day! Then Metzger backed off. So what's the holdup? I don't know. Any one of those things you listed could be the snag.

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District 204 attorneys return fire over Metea site claims
By Melissa Jenco | Daily Herald StaffContact writerPublished: 3/18/2008

"From the Brodie trust point of view, the trustee didn't want us wasting a lot of time putting together petitions and getting expert witnesses if there was a likelihood the petitioner was going to come back and negotiate on the Brach-Brodie site," Helm said.
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So are they putting together petitions and getting expert witnesses or not? I don't know the answer, but they were supposed to close on Eola the day after this was published and they didn't.

[WeBe204]

d204mom said:

So do you think the properties are closed? I would have thought that would be in the paper. Daeschner said March 19 is the day! Then Metzger backed off. So what's the holdup? I don't know. Any one of those things you listed could be the snag.

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District 204 attorneys return fire over Metea site claims
By Melissa Jenco | Daily Herald StaffContact writerPublished: 3/18/2008

"From the Brodie trust point of view, the trustee didn't want us wasting a lot of time putting together petitions and getting expert witnesses if there was a likelihood the petitioner was going to come back and negotiate on the Brach-Brodie site," Helm said.
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So are they putting together petitions and getting expert witnesses or not? I don't know the answer, but they were supposed to close on Eola the day after this was published and they didn't.

Nope I do not think the properties are closed. I have no idea what the hold up is. I keep thinking it is sales contract language. And obviously my comments are not fact. It was jsut something I was thinking about while I was on the road last week and cleaning 100s of dishes last night

[sushi]

What a guy, Brad! Ever hear of paper plates?

Great posts, I think it's all legal wranglings also.

[cb]

Is the SB going to play "chicken" with the BB attorneys? If they go ahead and purchase the Eola property without knowing what the damages are, they are seriously incompetent.
If the damages are large, as in what the Sun claimed they could be, a rational person would think that BB still has a chance. Are we going to hand over 20MM for nothing and then go purchase Eola?? IMO the BB lawsuit should be holding back the SB from closing on the Eola land.

[sushi]

You may be right, CB, but in my crystal ball it's full speed ahead with Eola. Where's that big publisher clearinghouse sized check the reverend was seen holding?

[WeBe204]

sushi said:

What a guy, Brad! Ever hear of paper plates?

Great posts, I think it's all legal wranglings also.

I believe something about paper plates came out of my mouth last night. Surrounded by explatives

I really do not know what the situaiton is. So, I figured I would toss out my current thinking. I think not seeing the TRO last week sort of made me wonder. I was not near a keyboard but sMom pretty much captured my thoughts last week. If we as a tax payer are gonna end of paying for this lawsuit, could we at least get a TRO to limits the future costs.

Edit - If the case is not strong enough or the group not well funded enough to make a TRO happen then well some soul searching needs to be done.. For me this is the 400lbs gorrilla in the room.

[cb]

WeBe, are you more concerned about the NSFOC lawsuit or the BB lawsuit? or neither?
In my mind the BB attorneys are to be feared. They seem to be able to argue alot better than ours.