May Watts Meeting 1/15

[doctorwho]

momto4 said:

sam2 said:

Can someone help me clarify the posts questioning if the board will approve the site? Does anyone really think that after a meeting to select the site and approving the announcement of the new site, that they can somehow meet and change their minds? I suppose it's possible, but it seems highly improbable.

As for chain of command, as I've said before, for a long time in 204, the board has answered to the administration, not the other way around. Dr. Daeschner's actions are nothing new, just a lot more direct.

Do you really believe that the rec comes strictly from the administration and is not a result of work that the board and administration have been doing for the last few months? I would expect that they helped develop this rec and would likely approve it unless there something big happens to warrant a change (bigger than some people happy and others not happy, regardless of which group is larger or more vocal).

I think short of the Brodie attorneys suddenly undergoing a lobotomy and coming to the table with their Brach counterparts - AME is going to be it. And the chances of BB actually working out likely aren't much better than winning the lotto

[numbersmom]

d204mom said:

doctorwho said:

some did say exactly that - one gentleman asked Dr D -- you mean you will not let her answer the question ? his answer was a firm NO !

I have been thinking about this and if it is true, then first thing, shouldn't elected officials be allowed to interact with their constituents? And second, doesn't Daeschner report to Alka?

This is just all backwards and so wrong on so many levels.

I think the issue here has more to do with the fact that Alka should not speak in public about items that have not come before the school board yet. Something to do with Robert's rules ....

The other reason may be that Alka was not invited to speak at this meeting, she came to hear what was being discussed. If anyone wanted to ask Alka a question, they should have done it offline after the meeting.

There's no doubt it was handled poorly. I think by that time of the evening Dr. D. was irked at all of the rude behavior. I don't blame him, I'm embarrassed as a Watts parent to have witnessed the behavior of some of the parents (it reminded me of boundary discussions all over again), especially since this was supposed to be a PTA meeting. Temper's were flying and there were a number of inexcusable interruptions/outbursts. No wonder Dr. D. was getting defensive.

FYI: Dr. D. had been invited to come speak to the Watts community long before this announcement was made. This was not intended to be a forum for complaining about the location of the 3rd HS. We just got lucky? or perhaps unlucky!

I'm irritated that these vocal parents (many of whom aren't current Watts PTA members) railroaded the discussion and didn't allow the rest of the PTA membership to engage in civil discussions with Dr. D.

One poor parent wanted to discuss all day K and couldn't get her question in.

[doctorwho]

numbersmom said:

d204mom said:

I have been thinking about this and if it is true, then first thing, shouldn't elected officials be allowed to interact with their constituents? And second, doesn't Daeschner report to Alka?

This is just all backwards and so wrong on so many levels.

I think the issue here has more to do with the fact that Alka should not speak in public about items that have not come before the school board yet. Something to do with Robert's rules ....

The other reason may be that Alka was not invited to speak at this meeting, she came to hear what was being discussed. If anyone wanted to ask Alka a question, they should have done it offline after the meeting.

There's no doubt it was handled poorly. I think by that time of the evening Dr. D. was irked at all of the rude behavior. I don't blame him, I'm embarrassed as a Watts parent to have witnessed the behavior of some of the parents (it reminded me of boundary discussions all over again), especially since this was supposed to be a PTA meeting. Temper's were flying and there were a number of inexcusable interruptions/outbursts. No wonder Dr. D. was getting defensive.

FYI: Dr. D. had been invited to come speak to the Watts community long before this announcement was made. This was not intended to be a forum for complaining about the location of the 3rd HS. We just got lucky? or perhaps unlucky!

I'm irritated that these vocal parents (many of whom aren't current Watts PTA members) railroaded the discussion and didn't allow the rest of the PTA membership to engage in civil discussions with Dr. D.

One poor parent wanted to discuss all day K and couldn't get her question in.

This portrayal of rude behavior is really out of line - maybe it wasn't to your liking but it was FAR from the boundary sesions. If you are so embarassed by our area- there are plenty of homes available in the ditrict- maybe you could join one of those celebrating- as you seem far more concerned with them than your own area.
My discussion with Dr D this morning he told me the meeting was OK and he learned some things he did not know--maybe if you would have listened - you could have done the same.

If it was so rude why did Dr D and Kathy stick around for almot another hour to talk to people ?

Gee now how would you know all the members and non members of Watts PTA - and are members of Hill and WV and NV PTA not welcome ? Maybe you could make that call ?
All but 1 who spoke have been members of Watts PTA -and now belong to other 204 PTA's - didn't know we needed your permission to attend a community function -

[Arch]

numbersmom said:

I'm irritated that these vocal parents (many of whom aren't current Watts PTA members) railroaded the discussion and didn't allow the rest of the PTA membership to engage in civil discussions with Dr. D.

Were you aware that MR emailed out an invitation to people (not just those in the PTA) about meeting Dr. D prior to the PTA meeting and asking him questions with regards to all day K and even the third high school?

You can sign up for their emails on the right side of watts.ipsd.org/index.asp

What grade(s) were yours again? I have a 3rd grader there.

[doctorwho]

archwinsome said:

numbersmom said:

I'm irritated that these vocal parents (many of whom aren't current Watts PTA members) railroaded the discussion and didn't allow the rest of the PTA membership to engage in civil discussions with Dr. D.

Were you aware that MR emailed out an invitation to people (not just those in the PTA) about meeting Dr. D prior to the PTA meeting and asking him questions with regards to all day K and even the third high school?

You can sign up for their emails on the right side of watts.ipsd.org/index.asp

What grade(s) were yours again? I have a 3rd grader there.

Be thankful it was the same day as the backpack went home-- if that same meeting is held next week- the attendance will be hundreds - by anyones count....and I hate to break it to you, but most agree with those who spoke yesterday.

[fedup]

numbersmom said:

One poor parent wanted to discuss all day K and couldn't get her question in.

I overhead some parents discussing all day kindergarten with Dr. D privately. He did not look happy. I think they were upset with the rush to make the decision and implement so quickly without any community feedback.

So I think they got their questions answered.

[doctorwho]

fedup said:

numbersmom said:

One poor parent wanted to discuss all day K and couldn't get her question in.

I overhead some parents discussing all day kindergarten with Dr. D privately. He did not look happy. I think they were upset with the rush to make the decision and implement so quickly without any community feedback.

So I think they got their questions answered.

and he presented his overview before he took any questions.

Yes Dr. D stayed around almost an hour - so let's drop this nonsense about how offeneded he was -- no one embarassed Watts community or the PTA there - who may be more worried about their image than the community.

1 discussion of the many held I would classify as confrontational -- this is an intelligent community who are not going to sit back and shut up when they have concerns

[Arch]

Maybe someone should have asked Dr. D why the May Watts PTA Budget/balance sheet earlier this year at the Meet Mr. Raz. ice cream social showed them floating $20,000. That's just beyond me that a group is sitting on that much money floated from year to year.

[blankcheck]

PTA's are not suppose to. They may have done a big fundraiser at the start of the year and have the bulk of that 20,000 allocated to various projects in the school. If they end the year with that in their account, I would ?? them. That money should be going to benifit all the students of that school.

[bbc]

doctorwho said:

numbersmom said:

I think the issue here has more to do with the fact that Alka should not speak in public about items that have not come before the school board yet. Something to do with Robert's rules ....

The other reason may be that Alka was not invited to speak at this meeting, she came to hear what was being discussed. If anyone wanted to ask Alka a question, they should have done it offline after the meeting.

There's no doubt it was handled poorly. I think by that time of the evening Dr. D. was irked at all of the rude behavior. I don't blame him, I'm embarrassed as a Watts parent to have witnessed the behavior of some of the parents (it reminded me of boundary discussions all over again), especially since this was supposed to be a PTA meeting. Temper's were flying and there were a number of inexcusable interruptions/outbursts. No wonder Dr. D. was getting defensive.

FYI: Dr. D. had been invited to come speak to the Watts community long before this announcement was made. This was not intended to be a forum for complaining about the location of the 3rd HS. We just got lucky? or perhaps unlucky!

I'm irritated that these vocal parents (many of whom aren't current Watts PTA members) railroaded the discussion and didn't allow the rest of the PTA membership to engage in civil discussions with Dr. D.

One poor parent wanted to discuss all day K and couldn't get her question in.

This portrayal of rude behavior is really out of line - maybe it wasn't to your liking but it was FAR from the boundary sesions. If you are so embarassed by our area- there are plenty of homes available in the ditrict- maybe you could join one of those celebrating- as you seem far more concerned with them than your own area.

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How dare you numbersmom!!! don't you know that after 3209 posts that Dr. Who owns this site and any opinion you have (unless the good DR. agrees with it) is worthless and insignificant.

[Arch]

blankcheck said:

PTA's are not suppose to. They may have done a big fundraiser at the start of the year and have the bulk of that 20,000 allocated to various projects in the school. If they end the year with that in their account, I would ?? them. That money should be going to benifit all the students of that school.

That was the starting balance showed, then they added in fund raising and subtracted expenditures then still showed a near $20K projected for the end of the year.

I admit that it could have been a misprint or I could have read it wrong but I remember talking to a couple of people after that night and we were all scratching our heads.

That would be a good question to ask the PTA president or the Ways and Means committee or even the District Administration what that was/is all about.

[wvhsparent]

bbc said:

doctorwho said:

This portrayal of rude behavior is really out of line - maybe it wasn't to your liking but it was FAR from the boundary sesions. If you are so embarassed by our area- there are plenty of homes available in the ditrict- maybe you could join one of those celebrating- as you seem far more concerned with them than your own area.

-

How dare you numbersmom!!! don't you know that after 3209 posts that Dr. Who owns this site and any opinion you have (unless the good DR. agrees with it) is worthless and insignificant.

Use caution bbc...that is really close to an attack on the doctor.
consider this a warning.

[d204mom]

momto4 said:

sam2 said:

Can someone help me clarify the posts questioning if the board will approve the site? Does anyone really think that after a meeting to select the site and approving the announcement of the new site, that they can somehow meet and change their minds? I suppose it's possible, but it seems highly improbable.

As for chain of command, as I've said before, for a long time in 204, the board has answered to the administration, not the other way around. Dr. Daeschner's actions are nothing new, just a lot more direct.

Do you really believe that the rec comes strictly from the administration and is not a result of work that the board and administration have been doing for the last few months? I would expect that they helped develop this rec and would likely approve it unless there something big happens to warrant a change (bigger than some people happy and others not happy, regardless of which group is larger or more vocal).

Again I am confused.

Why go through the show of soliciting feedback and a vote next week if it is a done deal, sb members created the recommendation, and community input is not considered. Seems like a giant waste of time in order to appear like the community has a voice in this.

Just pull an all day K and don't ask for or respond to any feedback.

[warriorpride]

wvhsparent said:

bbc said:

How dare you numbersmom!!! don't you know that after 3209 posts that Dr. Who owns this site and any opinion you have (unless the good DR. agrees with it) is worthless and insignificant.

Use caution bbc...that is really close to an attack on the doctor.
consider this a warning.

But portraying certain areas as celebrating and suggesting that some moves, that's OK? Just checking

[wvhsparent]

warriorpride said:

wvhsparent said:

Use caution bbc...that is really close to an attack on the doctor.
consider this a warning.

But portraying certain areas as celebrating and suggesting that some moves, that's OK? Just checking

His response was not nice...agreed, but not an attack IMHO.