Referendum - Early Voting has started

[soxfan]

rew said:

Gumby, don't be offended, the demand outstripped supply and there are more coming. But everyone is doing the best they can with the $$$$ available.

I was looking for a "judging by the "visible signs of support" and talking to neighbors, and going to the PTA meetings, etc etc... I think my ES has more YES votes than no votes" kind of feedback.

REW and Gumby

I can't tell my area what the real pulse is. There are a few vote yes signs and No vote No signs- yet. We did receive a yes door hanger and two flyers from VOTE no this past weekend.

Judging from what I hear from neighbors, the vote yes (mainly PTA people) are very vocal. I have many friends and neighbors that are still undecided and some that are leaning towards NO. The interesting thing is for some reason, the NO people are not very vocal but rather silently leaning that way. Some do not want to put up NO signs as they feel it will make them "look bad". It's really rather interesting.

[fence]

momof3 said:

momto4 -
I think all of the yes or no signs make a difference, based on my own personal experience last year. I was not involved at all in the pro or anti referendum movement, I went to one school board presentation and decided I was a yes voter.
On election day, I was loading the kids into the car and noticed my neighbor's vote yes sign. I had completely forgotten it was election day! I schlepped all 3 kids to the polling place and voted, immediately, then called my husband to remind him to stop and vote on the way home.
So, for me, a NO sign would have had the same effect, but it made a difference.

That's true. At the very least it keeps voting top of mind!

[fence]

soxfan said:

rew said:

Gumby, don't be offended, the demand outstripped supply and there are more coming. But everyone is doing the best they can with the $$$$ available.

I was looking for a "judging by the "visible signs of support" and talking to neighbors, and going to the PTA meetings, etc etc... I think my ES has more YES votes than no votes" kind of feedback.

REW and Gumby

I can't tell my area what the real pulse is. There are a few vote yes signs and No vote No signs- yet. We did receive a yes door hanger and two flyers from VOTE no this past weekend.

Judging from what I hear from neighbors, the vote yes (mainly PTA people) are very vocal. I have many friends and neighbors that are still undecided and some that are leaning towards NO. The interesting thing is for some reason, the NO people are not very vocal but rather silently leaning that way. Some do not want to put up NO signs as they feel it will make them "look bad". It's really rather interesting.

We're in an area that's pretty much a YES from what I can tell, either that or the NO people are just not putting signs out. I certainly believe that a NO person wouldn't put a sign out in my area, even if they planned to vote NO. They probably think what's the point. They're planning to vote so they don't really care about advertising!

Do any areas have YES and NO signs?

[momof3]

I saw both near Cowlishaw, however, I think a no zealot lives there, so not sure if it's representative.

[rew]

In politics you really tend to focus your energies on voters who agree with you...recall red states/ blue states and where the candidates travel. The focus is in rallying your voters and not trying to change votes. Are there any "battleground areas" and if so, would you see both yes and no signs or..... would you see no signs at all?

[admin]

IMO, the battleground is the south. Kendall, Graham, Patterson, Wheatland. From what I heard, River Run is a NO area.

Fry, Brookdale and the NW are no.

The new school areas are yes except Fry.

Clow,WE,Welch and Springbrook should vote yes.
Springbrook should be thanking God for 5a. If they don't vote yes, I expect they will get the short end of the stick next time.

[wvhsparent]

For us here on these boards, the signs will make little impact....they are for the rest of those who plan on voting but did little or no research.

[momof3]

Topher - Can you shed some light as to why the south - Kendall, Graham, Patterson, Wheatland - is torn?
I understand Brookdale is unhappy about being seperated from their MS.
I guess Fry doesn't want to leave Neuqua.
Why would the NW be a NO? WIIFM?

[cantretirehere]

momof3 said:

I saw both near Cowlishaw, however, I think a no zealot lives there, so not sure if it's representative.

From this statement can one assume that a grouping of YES signs means that a YES zealot lives in the area?

[momof3]

No, I know that from other sources of info, not just the sign in the yard.

[admin]

I think the south is torn by the amount of taxes have increased around here and also a lot of indifference. Some have a "we will deal with it when the kids get near HS age or we'll move" attitude.

[soxfan]

admin said:

I think the south is torn by the amount of taxes have increased around here and also a lot of indifference. Some have a "we will deal with it when the kids get near HS age or we'll move" attitude.

Topher,

I agree with this analogy. Many I know in the South (and North for that matter) are paying a HUGE amount in taxes. I've spoken to a few people who estimate that they will be in for 6-12 thousand in new taxes over the life of the increase. One person stated that the overall amount will be equal to a year's tuition in college. I think some are thinking that financially they are better off tolerating the overcrowding in order to have the finances necessary for a secondary education.

[admin]

I thought that too but out of $12000 bill $7920 goes to 204 which you then can deduct from the whole amount from federal taxes.

The other problem people see is the increasing tax but not seeing the increasing home value that goes with it. I pissed and moaned about my tax bill but paying 2% a year tax on it isn't that bad.

People have to realize that if you want to live in $500k house get ready to pat taxes on a $500k house.

I've spoken to a few people who estimate that they will be in for 6-12 thousand in new taxes over the life of the increase.

If you stay here from 2017 to 2026, the B&I will cost you a total of about $6000 for the 300k house scenario. Now the operating part is going to go up no matter what happens on election day. We will have to hire teachers, pay their pensions, hire more admin, pay for more repairs for housing 9400 kids on two campuses.

[warriorpride]

soxfan said:

admin said:

I think the south is torn by the amount of taxes have increased around here and also a lot of indifference. Some have a "we will deal with it when the kids get near HS age or we'll move" attitude.

Topher,

I agree with this analogy. Many I know in the South (and North for that matter) are paying a HUGE amount in taxes. I've spoken to a few people who estimate that they will be in for 6-12 thousand in new taxes over the life of the increase. One person stated that the overall amount will be equal to a year's tuition in college. I think some are thinking that financially they are better off tolerating the overcrowding in order to have the finances necessary for a secondary education.

Do you have any insight into the math that's being used to produce such a statement?

[fence]

soxfan said:

admin said:

I think the south is torn by the amount of taxes have increased around here and also a lot of indifference. Some have a "we will deal with it when the kids get near HS age or we'll move" attitude.

Topher,

I agree with this analogy. Many I know in the South (and North for that matter) are paying a HUGE amount in taxes. I've spoken to a few people who estimate that they will be in for 6-12 thousand in new taxes over the life of the increase. One person stated that the overall amount will be equal to a year's tuition in college. I think some are thinking that financially they are better off tolerating the overcrowding in order to have the finances necessary for a secondary education.

I don't disagree that taxes are high, but they're high because they're a % of our home's value, which has been increasing dramatically in this area, and that's investment income we directly receive via equity.

Regarding financing a secondary education, my son's 529 pays more per year in interest than the proposed increase in taxes between now and when my son goes to college, so I don't understand the reasoning. Unless people have a specific investment strategy that is based on projecting the difference between their B&I now, vs. that of their B&I if the referendum passes, times the number of years between now and their child's Fr. year in college, and then plans to invest that delta in a college education. Which doesn't seem like a sound investment strategy.