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Post by momof3 on Feb 27, 2006 14:34:14 GMT -6
I would like to understand that better - Is the opinoin that we shouldn't spend any money to fix the overcrowding or spend less money on an alternate solution? Do they agree that the 3rd high school is the best solution but just too expensive?
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Post by rew on Feb 27, 2006 14:35:42 GMT -6
Some have a "we will deal with it when the kids get near HS age or we'll move" attitude. I have to admit...this really hurts. I have voted to build every school south of 95th and I could scare a lot of folks w my property bill. I thought we were in this together??
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Post by doctorwho on Feb 27, 2006 14:40:19 GMT -6
If 'advertising' didn't work - no one would do it. The signs are not going to change a hard core voter one way or the other- but what % of the voting population has done thorough research ?
btw -- drove thru WE today -- loaded with YES signs and did not see one NO
thru the May Watts area -- again all YES signs - no NO's
and tru TG -- no signs one way or the other - which was surprising
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Post by fence on Feb 27, 2006 14:41:10 GMT -6
Some have a "we will deal with it when the kids get near HS age or we'll move" attitude. I have to admit...this really hurts. I have voted to build every school south of 95th and I could scare a lot of folks w my property bill. I thought we were in this together?? We'll all be in this together as soon as their kids reach HS age and the environment at the HS level has gone to hell in a handbasket. Then they'll ask that we all be in this together. With the exception of very few humanitarians, a few of whom are on this board, I really believe that if the situation at the HS level doesn't directly impact people at this very moment in time, they couldn't care less about what happens.
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Post by admin on Feb 27, 2006 14:46:23 GMT -6
Some have a "we will deal with it when the kids get near HS age or we'll move" attitude. I have to admit...this really hurts. I have voted to build every school south of 95th and I could scare a lot of folks w my property bill. I thought we were in this together?? Now, please don't think we all think that way in the south. There are selfish people all over and I will admit I was one up to month or two ago .
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Post by doctorwho on Feb 27, 2006 14:47:24 GMT -6
I think to be fair there are " my taxes are too high' people north and south. I have been here 20 years -- longer than most - not as long as some...so I have seen % a bigger increase than most also -- and I straddle that 75th street line that kind of divides time......
But I don't complain. If someone thinks the taxes are cheaper in Cook County or somewhere else, then they would be shocked. Moving to an area with lower taxes will usually get you less schools and less services etc. --- Move to an growing area like Yorkville, and alll the issues we have today with schools will be coming in a few more years - ask Plainfield.
A lot of people I know are stunned by my tax bill also, until you tell them the market value of your house....then they understand
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Post by soxfan on Feb 27, 2006 14:52:13 GMT -6
I have to admit...this really hurts. I have voted to build every school south of 95th and I could scare a lot of folks w my property bill. I thought we were in this together?? Now, please don't think we all think that way in the south. There are selfish people all over and I will admit I was one up to month or two ago . I agree. I live in the South and had no problem with voting yes last time.
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Post by warriorpride on Feb 27, 2006 14:53:33 GMT -6
I have to admit...this really hurts. I have voted to build every school south of 95th and I could scare a lot of folks w my property bill. I thought we were in this together?? We'll all be in this together as soon as their kids reach HS age and the environment at the HS level has gone to hell in a handbasket. Then they'll ask that we all be in this together. With the exception of very few humanitarians, a few of whom are on this board, I really believe that if the situation at the HS level doesn't directly impact people at this very moment in time, they couldn't care less about what happens. Sadly, I agree. I wonder how many people with very young kids (pre-K) are fully informed & prepared to vote. And when I see 20-30-40 people showing up at the schools for the meetings with the SB, the lack of interest scares me. I am firmly convinced that if everyone had educated theselves with ALL of the facts presented by both sides and everyone actually voted using this information, that the referedum would pass. People not voting or voting NO because they have been given inaccurate, incomplete information from the vote-NO side is what could cause the referendum to fail.
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Post by rew on Feb 27, 2006 16:30:16 GMT -6
Is that why Ashbury has no signs???
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Post by 204parent on Feb 27, 2006 16:48:17 GMT -6
Is that why Ashbury has no signs??? That's correct. The VoteYES signs have been distributed, but we can't put them out yet.
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Post by charmant on Feb 27, 2006 17:35:15 GMT -6
I mentioned in another thread that the ton of VoteNO signs in Brookdale on Friday seems to have all but disappeared. I am not sure if something happened to cause that. Its hard to say what the signs actually do in terms of generating actionable behavior at the polls. I don't think the influence necessarily goes beyond the neighborhood. So an area of "NO" signs, a person within that neighborhood who hasn't done any research might be convinced to vote the same way as they see those in their own neighborhoods voting. Driving through another subdivision with signs going one way or the other is probably not going to do much to influence a change. For example, seeing signs in Knoch Knoll, people not from that area are apt to say "who really cares what Knoch Knoll thinks." That's my 2 cents. Vote no signs were stolen (by whom???) during the last referendum....My guess is that you won't see them, if at all, until the very end because of some bad apples, who think that stealing signs will change someone's mind.
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Post by fence on Feb 27, 2006 18:49:55 GMT -6
I mentioned in another thread that the ton of VoteNO signs in Brookdale on Friday seems to have all but disappeared. I am not sure if something happened to cause that. Its hard to say what the signs actually do in terms of generating actionable behavior at the polls. I don't think the influence necessarily goes beyond the neighborhood. So an area of "NO" signs, a person within that neighborhood who hasn't done any research might be convinced to vote the same way as they see those in their own neighborhoods voting. Driving through another subdivision with signs going one way or the other is probably not going to do much to influence a change. For example, seeing signs in Knoch Knoll, people not from that area are apt to say "who really cares what Knoch Knoll thinks." That's my 2 cents. Vote no signs were stolen (by whom???) during the last referendum....My guess is that you won't see them, if at all, until the very end because of some bad apples, who think that stealing signs will change someone's mind. I never said any signs were stolen. I was just wondering if anyone knew what happened to all the signs in BD. They were there and now they're not. I think that another post was right in that maybe they were put out for a meeting or something.
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Post by warriorpride on Feb 27, 2006 18:50:15 GMT -6
I mentioned in another thread that the ton of VoteNO signs in Brookdale on Friday seems to have all but disappeared. I am not sure if something happened to cause that. Its hard to say what the signs actually do in terms of generating actionable behavior at the polls. I don't think the influence necessarily goes beyond the neighborhood. So an area of "NO" signs, a person within that neighborhood who hasn't done any research might be convinced to vote the same way as they see those in their own neighborhoods voting. Driving through another subdivision with signs going one way or the other is probably not going to do much to influence a change. For example, seeing signs in Knoch Knoll, people not from that area are apt to say "who really cares what Knoch Knoll thinks." That's my 2 cents. Vote no signs were stolen (by whom???) during the last referendum....My guess is that you won't see them, if at all, until the very end because of some bad apples, who think that stealing signs will change someone's mind. In fairness, I think it's safe to assume that Vote YES signs were taken down, as well. No, I don't have any evidence - but, I think it's a reasonable assumption.
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Post by soxfan on Feb 27, 2006 18:54:43 GMT -6
Unfortunately, political signs get yanked out of people's yards all the time. Twice during the last presidential election, someone stole my signs out of my yard. It's ridiculous, but it happens. It's funny to me that people think that's an effective way to silence opinion, but it happens.
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Post by forthekids on Feb 27, 2006 21:43:34 GMT -6
Vote no signs were stolen (by whom???) during the last referendum....My guess is that you won't see them, if at all, until the very end because of some bad apples, who think that stealing signs will change someone's mind. In fairness, I think it's safe to assume that Vote YES signs were taken down, as well. No, I don't have any evidence - but, I think it's a reasonable assumption. I just found out that in some neighborhoods you aren't allowed to put up political signs until two weeks before the election. Maybe people there were told they had to come down.
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