Achievement Gaps

[chicoryowl]

d204mom said:

gatormom said:

That would be great for them, . Started at WE, moved to McC, moved to Owen and now moved to ? That is a lot to ask one area.

Agreed! But I didn't see "number of past moves" as one of Daeschner's boundary criteria.

I don't think we're going anywhere anytime soon. As best I understand it, there's no place else to fit us. And my personal opinion is that I have no problem with that. I think there's a real sense of community in our school. Not to mention past moves (though I wasn't in the neighborhood for those).

My mentioning the bus time was merely meant to illustrate the time that those on the Naperville side would need to go through if Owen is moved to MV. Somebody living near Owen itself would have about 15-20 minutes just to get to 75th and 59.

[warriorpride]

d204mom said:

gatormom said:

That would be great for them, . Started at WE, moved to McC, moved to Owen and now moved to ? That is a lot to ask one area.

Agreed! But I didn't see "number of past moves" as one of Daeschner's boundary criteria.

not do I see any criteria like: "reward an area that worked hard to get the ref passed", or "don't reward an area that voted strongly against the ref", but I've seen these suggested on this forum.

[bob]

I wonder if they move ES boundaries that Steck walkers to WV go to MC. MCC bussers go to Steck along with that area of Col.

West Owen goes to MCC or GT. Gombert picks up the far SW Gt area.

[d204mom]

bob said:

I wonder if they move ES boundaries that Steck walkers to WV go to MC. MCC bussers go to Steck along with that area of Col.

West Owen goes to MCC or GT. Gombert picks up the far SW Gt area.

That would clean up the boundaries and still keep walkers as walker - solves the prob. What if you just put ALL WV walkers at Georgetown ES?

[momto4]

proschool said:

bob said:

The west part of Owen is north of WE.

The east part is 7.6 miles from AME

This google map function is so much fun.

...And the west part of Owen is 6 miles to Owen elementary. What of logistics would a family have to endure if the have on kid six miles to the west and another kid 8 miles to the north?

Owen is the last school that will need to go to MV.

You might as well send Pederson and Fry to MV they are closer and there are a lot of people there who will be happy at WV.

ETA Owen to eola and Moliter is 8.4 miles on google maps

I won't argue one way or the other about where Owen should go, but the Owen residents who live 8.4 miles from the MV site live right next to their ES. The people who live 6 miles west of Owen would not be sending their kids 8 miles north to MV.

[d204mom]

d204mom said:

bob said:

I wonder if they move ES boundaries that Steck walkers to WV go to MC. MCC bussers go to Steck along with that area of Col.

West Owen goes to MCC or GT. Gombert picks up the far SW Gt area.

That would clean up the boundaries and still keep walkers as walker - solves the prob. What if you just put ALL WV walkers at Georgetown ES?

I can't believe I didn't see this before! Now all of Daeschner's IPPC comments make sense.

Just contort the ES boundaries in order to fill the high schools. Then you can point at a map and say:

NO split elementary schools
and
contiguous boundaries

Looking at a map that puts all WV walkers at the same school it would appear that the areas are contiguous. Especially if a few roads are left out.

[d204mom]

momto4 said:

proschool said:

...And the west part of Owen is 6 miles to Owen elementary. What of logistics would a family have to endure if the have on kid six miles to the west and another kid 8 miles to the north?

Owen is the last school that will need to go to MV.

You might as well send Pederson and Fry to MV they are closer and there are a lot of people there who will be happy at WV.

ETA Owen to eola and Moliter is 8.4 miles on google maps

I won't argue one way or the other about where Owen should go, but the Owen residents who live 8.4 miles from the MV site live right next to their ES. The people who live 6 miles west of Owen would not be sending their kids 8 miles north to MV.

Do you have the boundaries in front of you? Apparently Daeschner has had a study done of sending every area to AME and it's cost neutral. I believe areas N of I-88 drive that far to HS today; there is precedent. And Owen is an "East" school. They are logically excluded from the "Western" school (WV).

[chicoryowl]

d204mom said:

bob said:

I wonder if they move ES boundaries that Steck walkers to WV go to MC. MCC bussers go to Steck along with that area of Col.

West Owen goes to MCC or GT. Gombert picks up the far SW Gt area.

That would clean up the boundaries and still keep walkers as walker - solves the prob. What if you just put ALL WV walkers at Georgetown ES?

I don't know enought to get into suggested boundary changes. However, reading the above, if you move West Owen out of Owen, who goes into Owen in our place? I think we're more than half of the school.

I asked about this once before and the explanation made me believe that we're not going anyplace anytime soon. And as before, I'm fine with that.

[momto4]

d204mom said:

momto4 said:

I won't argue one way or the other about where Owen should go, but the Owen residents who live 8.4 miles from the MV site live right next to their ES. The people who live 6 miles west of Owen would not be sending their kids 8 miles north to MV.

Do you have the boundaries in front of you? Apparently Daeschner has had a study done of sending every area to AME and it's cost neutral. I believe areas N of I-88 drive that far to HS today; there is precedent. And Owen is an "East" school. They are logically excluded from the "Western" school (WV).

I am talking about current absolute locations not proposed boundaries. Someone wrote that the western part of Owen's attendance area is 6 miles west of Owen, and that the school itself is just over 8 miles from AME, then commented about the possibility of having to send one child 6 miles east and another 8 miles north. I was just saying that this makes no sense in this context - they would *either* be going 6 miles east to ES or going practically next door to ES and 8 miles to HS.

Is there truly any time of day it takes 15-20 minutes from Owen to 75th/59? That was another comment I saw that doesn't match with reality as I know it, but could be true...

[bob]

Just using Gmaps again from the front of Owen School

5 miles to NV
5.8 to WV
8.1 to MV

[chicoryowl]

momto4 said:

d204mom said:

Do you have the boundaries in front of you? Apparently Daeschner has had a study done of sending every area to AME and it's cost neutral. I believe areas N of I-88 drive that far to HS today; there is precedent. And Owen is an "East" school. They are logically excluded from the "Western" school (WV).

I am talking about current absolute locations not proposed boundaries. Someone wrote that the western part of Owen's attendance area is 6 miles west of Owen, and that the school itself is just over 8 miles from AME, then commented about the possibility of having to send one child 6 miles east and another 8 miles north. I was just saying that this makes no sense in this context - they would *either* be going 6 miles east to ES or going practically next door to ES and 8 miles to HS.

Is there truly any time of day it takes 15-20 minutes from Owen to 75th/59? That was another comment I saw that doesn't match with reality as I know it, but could be true...

Is there truly any time of day...yes.

[momto4]

chicoryowl said:

momto4 said:

I am talking about current absolute locations not proposed boundaries. Someone wrote that the western part of Owen's attendance area is 6 miles west of Owen, and that the school itself is just over 8 miles from AME, then commented about the possibility of having to send one child 6 miles east and another 8 miles north. I was just saying that this makes no sense in this context - they would *either* be going 6 miles east to ES or going practically next door to ES and 8 miles to HS.

Is there truly any time of day it takes 15-20 minutes from Owen to 75th/59? That was another comment I saw that doesn't match with reality as I know it, but could be true...

Is there truly any time of day...yes.

Wow, that's rotten then. One thing that's for sure throughout the district - traffic is a problem. Traffic is already heavy on Eola and I haven't heard of any plans to alleviate that. Luckily the heavy traffic times do not coincide with school start and end times, but can be a problem for late afternoon or early evening.

[gatordog]

First, per my doublecheck rew's Hamman boundaries balance enrollment very nicely. I should emphasize, I fleshed it out assuming NV loses its Gold Campus (is that correct, rew? Seems very natural per geography to do so.)

Second, I am taking bob's initial proposal straight-up. (Fundamental trends wont change if say East 1/2 of owen goes to NV for ex)

Finally, I throw in previous north option discussed previous thread. (North w/MS. Gatordog OPT 2). The theme is roughly Ogden Ave is barrier. Non walking St and Mcc goes north. Main parts of Cowl and Watts to WV. This would take advantage of ES shuffling mentioned above.

What would our future district look like in terms of "gaps". Consider two: test scores and low income population. (I wonder if the latter is more pertainent if you want to understand the community. I say this because our SD has done a very good job of closing the achievement gap over the last few years. But with bad economy, events beyond SD control, perhaps low income "gap" is widening in our district?)

TEST SCORES:

Site/Bndry Curr Bob StJ GD StJ rew Hamm aeF Hamm act BB

MV n/a 92 90 94 93 91

WV 89 89 90 89 88 90

NV 94 94 94 94 94 94

% LOW INCOME:

Site/Bndry Curr Bob StJ GD StJ rew Hamm aeF Hamm act BB

MV n/a 7.0 7.6 0.6 2.0 6.3

WV 8.3 6.9 7.0 9.1 9.4 7.7

NV 1.6 0.8 1.0 1.5 1.6 0.8

[EagleDad]

gatormom said:

bob said:

NV can't be too low. It hasn't changed from the BB boundaries.

I think they have to change one school from WV to MV.

Move McC or Gt to MV.

You can't move either Georgetown or McC because they are walkers to Waubonsie. All fingers point to Gombert which then would be bused past one HS to attend another and that negates what Dr. D said about how the boundaries are going to be drawn up. Not complaining, just commenting.

Tell that to Tallgrass (the part about being bused past one HS to attend another). It's the exact same as Gombert.

[gatormom]

eagledad said:

gatormom said:

You can't move either Georgetown or McC because they are walkers to Waubonsie. All fingers point to Gombert which then would be bused past one HS to attend another and that negates what Dr. D said about how the boundaries are going to be drawn up. Not complaining, just commenting.

Tell that to Tallgrass (the part about being bused past one HS to attend another). It's the exact same as Gombert.

Once again, not complaining. Do they drive by the front door? That was my interpretation but then, what do I know.

ETA: You know, it really doesn't matter to me. Somebody please, just tell me where my daughter starts and finishes high school.