Achievement Gaps

[EagleDad]

d204mom said:

gatormom said:

That would be great for them, . Started at WE, moved to McC, moved to Owen and now moved to ? That is a lot to ask one area.

Agreed! But I didn't see "number of past moves" as one of Daeschner's boundary criteria.

And if we're using past moves, Cowlishaw gets first pick!

[d204mom]

chicoryowl said:

d204mom said:

That would clean up the boundaries and still keep walkers as walker - solves the prob. What if you just put ALL WV walkers at Georgetown ES?

I don't know enought to get into suggested boundary changes. However, reading the above, if you move West Owen out of Owen, who goes into Owen in our place? I think we're more than half of the school.

I asked about this once before and the explanation made me believe that we're not going anyplace anytime soon. And as before, I'm fine with that.

Read the MW posts from last night - they are calling WV the Western school. Owen is obviously an Eastern school. I think it's entirely within the realm of possibility to send an ES 8 miles to hs. How else to fill up AME without having ESs drive by a hs to get to another? At his point, that seems to be more important than distance.

It is all speculation at this point but they are slowly setting the stage. That's just my read.

Daeschner already said some commutes will be longer.

[bob]

I really think they are going to really change the ES boundaries to get get balance and fill MV.

[EagleDad]

gatordog said:

% LOW INCOME:

Site/Bndry Curr Bob StJ GD StJ rew Hamm

MV n/a 7.0 7.6 0.6

WV 8.3 6.9 7.0 9.1

NV 1.6 0.8 1.0 1.5

When did % low income become anything to be discussed?!?

Why are you putting that in the balancing equation?

Leave it out, IMHO. I've never seen it reflected in any comparisons.

[EagleDad]

gatormom said:

eagledad said:

Tell that to Tallgrass (the part about being bused past one HS to attend another). It's the exact same as Gombert.

Once again, not complaining. Do they drive by the front door? That was my interpretation but then, what do I know.

ETA: You know, it really doesn't matter to me. Somebody please, just tell me where my daughter starts and finishes high school.

The front door of of WVHS is across the street for you going to MVHS. Just don't look over there, or take Frontenac.

I'm just kidding of course, but it places you for a second in Tallgrass' shoes. To them, NVHS is just across rt 59 from them.

[d204mom]

bob said:

I really think they are going to really change the ES boundaries to get get balance and fill MV.

Agreed.

[gumby]

eagledad said:

gatormom said:

Once again, not complaining. Do they drive by the front door? That was my interpretation but then, what do I know.

ETA: You know, it really doesn't matter to me. Somebody please, just tell me where my daughter starts and finishes high school.

The front door of of WVHS is across the street for you going to MVHS. Just don't look over there, or take Frontenac.

I'm just kidding of course, but it places you for a second in Tallgrass' shoes. To them, NVHS is just across rt 59 from them.

Very true. You ship TG out of NV and the whole "going past a HS is a no-no" issue goes out the window.

[confused]

Yes, Bob, are you the achievement gap, guy? Could you please run those scenarios with throwing in some North of 95th Neuqua Schools? Say, Welch, Clow and/or Springbrook? How would that work out? I drive up 59 on my way from 111th and see that the bridge is being built (everyone loves to hear that subject come up, right?), as we speak. How will TG feel about that? How will the state of Illinois feel about that?

[bob]

Yes, Bob, are you the achievement gap, guy?

Good lord, no. But I have a feeling that the crew that tried it last time just saw an huge opening.

What would the state have a say in this anyways?

[gatordog]

eagledad said:

gatordog said:

% LOW INCOME:

Site/Bndry Curr Bob StJ GD StJ rew Hamm

MV n/a 7.0 7.6 0.6

WV 8.3 6.9 7.0 9.1

NV 1.6 0.8 1.0 1.5

When did % low income become anything to be discussed?!?

Why are you putting that in the balancing equation?

Leave it out, IMHO. I've never seen it reflected in any comparisons.

During the last boundary talks, this was much discussed. Remember the talk of Title 1 schools? (one of the longest posters here, takes her very name from this....hello, title1parent )

I think this happens to be a very easy measure for a lot of people to understand. The test score thing is fluid and harder (for me a least) to really wrap my understanding around.

After all, on the school report cards, this low income number is on the very first line! The state and professional educators must think its useful info for us parents to have.

For the record, I do prefer geographical boundaries as primary criteria. I see this as very useful secondary criteria, for "tiebreaker cases." (Real world example: although I had to think about it and discuss it, I supported the BB boundary instance where the BD-Gom swap was nullified, based not on geography but on balance reasons. )

Edit: its ok to have nuance, right? To me its not a matter of being "competely for" balancing or "completely against" it.

[concerned]

could they use 87 and 59 as a divider?

[Avenging Eagle]

gatordog said:

First, per my doublecheck rew's Hamman boundaries balance enrollment very nicely. I should emphasize, I fleshed it out assuming NV loses its Gold Campus (is that correct, rew? Seems very natural per geography to do so.)

Second, I am taking bob's initial proposal straight-up. (Fundamental trends wont change if say East 1/2 of owen goes to NV for ex)

Finally, I throw in previous north option discussed previous thread. (North w/MS. Gatordog OPT 2). The theme is roughly Ogden Ave is barrier. Non walking St and Mcc goes north. Main parts of Cowl and Watts to WV. This would take advantage of ES shuffling mentioned above.

What would our future district look like in terms of "gaps". Consider two: test scores and low income population. (I wonder if the latter is more pertainent if you want to understand the community. I say this because our SD has done a very good job of closing the achievement gap over the last few years. But with bad economy, events beyond SD control, perhaps low income "gap" is widening in our district?)

TEST SCORES:

Site/Bndry Curr Bob StJ GD StJ rew Hamm

MV n/a 92 90 94

WV 89 89 90 89

NV 94 94 94 94

% LOW INCOME:

Site/Bndry Curr Bob StJ GD StJ rew Hamm

MV n/a 7.0 7.6 0.6

WV 8.3 6.9 7.0 9.1

NV 1.6 0.8 1.0 1.5

gatordog, could you please add my proposal "Plan F" for Hamman to your grids?

Here is the breakdown from Plan F, which is both geographically and achievement balanced for any SW located Matea site:

Take the BB boundaries and make these 2 sets of trades:

Trade #1:

Switched from Neuqua to Metea:

Kendall (900)
Graham (725)
Wheatland (350)
Total: (1975)

Switched from Metea to Neuqua:

Watts (675)
Cowlishaw (650)
Owen (575)
Total: (1900)

and Trade #2:

Switched from WVHS to Metea:
Petersen (600 or less)

Switched from Metea to WVHS:
Longwood (475)

leaving:

MV = FRY, GHM, GOM, KNDL, MCTY(60), PET, WE, WHEAT

WV = BD, BRKS, GT, LW, MCTY, STK, YNG

NV = BLTA, CLOW, COW, MW, OWN, PATT, SB, WEL

Thanks!

[jwh]

"Plan F" for Fugged Up? Give me a break, sending Brookdale and Longwood to Waubonsie, yet carting tons of students from south side to Metea? Um, as the Big D stated, the new boundaries are going to finally make sense.

[bob]

JWH, please re-read

gatordog, could you please add my proposal "Plan F" for Harmon to your grids?

Here is the breakdown from Plan F, which is both geographically and achievement balanced for any SW located Matea site:

[Avenging Eagle]

jwh said:

"Plan F" for Fugged Up? Give me a break, sending Brookdale and Longwood to Waubonsie, yet carting tons of students from south side to Metea? Um, as the Big D stated, the new boundaries are going to finally make sense.

My plan assumes the Hamman location, not the SJ location.

It is geographically balanced with very short commutes versus the insane location of the SJ site.