Achievement Gaps

[concerned]

Does Young walk to WV?

[momto4]

concerned said:

Does Young walk to WV?

No.

Part of Young is just off of Butterfield, far, far from WV. Oakhurst North is also not in safe/reasonable walking distance to WV.

[casey]

jwh said:

"Plan F" for Fugged Up? Give me a break, sending Brookdale and Longwood to Waubonsie, yet carting tons of students from south side to Metea? Um, as the Big D stated, the new boundaries are going to finally make sense.

What's the problem with Brookdale and Longwood going to Waubonsie? In case you don't realize it, jwh, that's where they're at now. FWIW, that's what most of us are hoping for at this point - staying at our existing HS. As far as carting tons of students from the south side to MVHS at 111th let me let you in on a secret, most of the ES are pretty close (KEN, GRA, BUI, FRY, PET). I doubt you'd have to work as hard to fill a Hamman site as you do to fill an AME site.

[Arch]

casey said:

jwh said:

"Plan F" for Fugged Up? Give me a break, sending Brookdale and Longwood to Waubonsie, yet carting tons of students from south side to Metea? Um, as the Big D stated, the new boundaries are going to finally make sense.

What's the problem with Brookdale and Longwood going to Waubonsie? In case you don't realize it, jwh, that's where they're at now. FWIW, that's what most of us are hoping for at this point - staying at our existing HS. As far as carting tons of students from the south side to MVHS at 111th let me let you in on a secret, most of the ES are pretty close (KEN, GRA, BUI, FRY, PET). I doubt you'd have to work as hard to fill a Hamman site as you do to fill an AME site.

You also fill it (hamman) on the lighter side of traffic in the morning.

[steckmom]

d204mom said:

bob said:

I wonder if they move ES boundaries that Steck walkers to WV go to MC. MCC bussers go to Steck along with that area of Col.

West Owen goes to MCC or GT. Gombert picks up the far SW Gt area.

That would clean up the boundaries and still keep walkers as walker - solves the prob. What if you just put ALL WV walkers at Georgetown ES?

Aren't most WV walkers also walkers to their elementary school? I know my kid walked every single day to elementary and my next door neighbor walked every day to WV. Why force the bus ride in elementary just to eliminate a bus ride in high school?

[gatordog]

avengingeagle said:

gatordog said:

First, per my doublecheck rew's Hamman boundaries balance enrollment very nicely. I should emphasize, I fleshed it out assuming NV loses its Gold Campus (is that correct, rew? Seems very natural per geography to do so.)

Second, I am taking bob's initial proposal straight-up. (Fundamental trends wont change if say East 1/2 of owen goes to NV for ex)

Finally, I throw in previous north option discussed previous thread. (North w/MS. Gatordog OPT 2). The theme is roughly Ogden Ave is barrier. Non walking St and Mcc goes north. Main parts of Cowl and Watts to WV. This would take advantage of ES shuffling mentioned above.

What would our future district look like in terms of "gaps". Consider two: test scores and low income population. (I wonder if the latter is more pertainent if you want to understand the community. I say this because our SD has done a very good job of closing the achievement gap over the last few years. But with bad economy, events beyond SD control, perhaps low income "gap" is widening in our district?)

TEST SCORES:

Site/Bndry Curr Bob StJ GD StJ rew Hamm

MV n/a 92 90 94

WV 89 89 90 89

NV 94 94 94 94

% LOW INCOME:

Site/Bndry Curr Bob StJ GD StJ rew Hamm

MV n/a 7.0 7.6 0.6

WV 8.3 6.9 7.0 9.1

NV 1.6 0.8 1.0 1.5

gatordog, could you please add my proposal "Plan F" for Hamman to your grids?

Here is the breakdown from Plan F, which is both geographically and achievement balanced for any SW located Matea site:

Take the BB boundaries and make these 2 sets of trades:

Trade #1:

Switched from Neuqua to Metea:

Kendall (900)
Graham (725)
Wheatland (350)
Total: (1975)

Switched from Metea to Neuqua:

Watts (675)
Cowlishaw (650)
Owen (575)
Total: (1900)

and Trade #2:

Switched from WVHS to Metea:
Petersen (600 or less)

Switched from Metea to WVHS:
Longwood (475)

leaving:

MV = FRY, GHM, GOM, KNDL, MCTY(60), PET, WE, WHEAT

WV = BD, BRKS, GT, LW, MCTY, STK, YNG

NV = BLTA, CLOW, COW, MW, OWN, PATT, SB, WEL

Thanks!

done. see my orig post modified on pg 3.

Plan F keeps the NV Gold as frosh cntr, so NV is the 4200 seat school. (correct me if i am wrong)

[gatordog]

Plan F from a Gombert perspective:

Gombert gets a significant distance increase over what we have now. That in and of itself is not reason alone. We acknowledge no matter what, some areas will be travelling further. But in addition, we go with none of our adjacent neighbors (those RR tracks are literally big barriers with WE. And you cannot counting the tiny handful of apt dwellers from Mcc). We go with none of our immediate MS community, and more importantly, in future would almost certainly be in a split MS.

And Watts and Cowl areas worry about the sole problem of a distance increase when they have advantages of their adjacent ES neighbor with them, and are at a 100% feeder MS?

This is what I mean about when I worry about neighborhoods moved in isolation.

Edit: the numbers indicate to me that in trumping Gombert's geography for balance, the gain is miniscule.

[Avenging Eagle]

author=gatordog board=newhighschool thread=1200498646 post=1200517517
done. see my orig post modified on pg 3.

Plan F keeps the NV Gold as frosh cntr, so NV is the 4200 seat school. (correct me if i am wrong)

You are correct. here are the boundaries and counts before the adjustments:
www.ipsd.org/Documents/3hs/Boundaries.pdf

Thanks alot.

Just one question though: I would assume that the sum of the avg. test scores for each scenario should balance with each other

Could you please dbl check the calculations? I know you are looking forward to more work..ty

[gatordog]

avengingeagle said:

author=gatordog board=newhighschool thread=1200498646 post=1200517517
done. see my orig post modified on pg 3.

Plan F keeps the NV Gold as frosh cntr, so NV is the 4200 seat school. (correct me if i am wrong)

You are correct. here are the boundaries and counts before the adjustments:
www.ipsd.org/Documents/3hs/Boundaries.pdf

Thanks alot.

Just one question though: I would assume that the sum of the avg. test scores for each scenario should balance with each other

Could you please dbl check the calculations? I know you are looking forward to more work..ty

Yes, checks out ok btw all four cases per my look. always essential to chk! (i will look again after pointing it down for a while...get fresh)

[204parent]

gatordog said:

Plan F from a Gombert perspective:

Gombert gets a significant distance increase over what we have now. That in and of itself is not reason alone. We acknowledge no matter what, some areas will be travelling further. But in addition, we go with none of our adjacent neighbors (those RR tracks are literally big barriers with WE. And you cannot counting the tiny handful of apt dwellers from Mcc). We go with none of our immediate MS community, and more importantly, in future would almost certainly be in a split MS.

And Watts and Cowl areas worry about the sole problem of a distance increase when they have advantages of their adjacent ES neighbor with them, and are at a 100% feeder MS?

This is what I mean about when I worry about neighborhoods moved in isolation.

Edit: the numbers indicate to me that in trumping Gombert's geography for balance, the gain is miniscule.

It would be better to convert NV Gold back to a MS and leave the Freshman Center at WV Gold. That would leave Gombert at WV.

This would also add a MS south of 95th where it is needed.

By the way, those same RR tracks make it impossible to have truly contiguous boundaries if we go with the AME site.

[EagleDad]

And if the EJ&E tracks are a barrier, the Burlington Northern tracks are an insurmountable massive chasm.

I don't get the big deal with the tracks. Not a huge thing to me personally.

[gatordog]

eagledad said:

I don't get the big deal with the tracks. Not a huge thing to me personally.

I agree. You are absolutely right. I am not talking about RR tracks anymore . And when weather clears up, me and my middle daughter are coming over those tracks on a bike ride over to White Eagle....its not far at all. My personal (silly) neighborhood criteria shall be satisfied....henceforeward and forever ;D

[EagleDad]

You're more than welcome anytime - I'm sure the lemonade stand will be up and running by then. You, GD can get a discount (I know the proprietors - they tend to take all their supplies out of my kitchen).

[plainfield204]

Doing some research, hope they balance the schools.

2007 school improvement reports:
WV = 43 Pages
NV = 8 Pages

[EagleDad]

Well, when the school board president sends me an email this week referring to Waubonsie as "an ugly step child", and a "permanent albatross" then yep, it's time to do something.

If I, and my family can be part of a positive change - then I'm up for it. I'm just hoping those 'ol time Warriors can keep up with the new kids on the block Well, in White Eagle's case it's more the really old, left for a while, welcome back kids on the block.