Pipeline BTUs

[Arch]

doctorwho said:

But I expect no less than gloating next week ( to go along with the sit up and shut down talks we already get) - and I told you so's

Of course, if a problem that was pointed out rears its ugly head in the future they'll be the same ones on the evening news with the dumbfounded look on their faces saying "We had no idea... who would have known...?"



42, did you ever do your version of the math to calculate the PIR for these lines? Is it less than 650 feet? Is it less than the distance of the MV building from the lines? (300ish feet)

Please share...

[mandmmom]

specailneedsmom said:

Arch,

You are right. Speaking from someone who has substituted in this district for five years I can tell you this is absolutely true. For the amount of money you are paid and the level of responsibility you have it is just not worth it. Each year they cut, cut cut at every level but administration. That leaves the teachers to run their classrooms with a shoestring staff. But this district continues to identify the problem as the $10.00 an hour employees who work their buns off. In order to fix the problem they will hire another six figure administrator to identify the problem. Oy vey.

No instead of using the 5-20 million dollars for existing schools, supplies, or better yet teacher' salaries...our SB is going to flush it down the toilet...204's problem is our SB....they are too arrogant to realize it.

[JB]

While I love a good math problem as much as the next guy or gal, we don't need to do that here. The logic is quite simple;

a). This site is now a "High Consequence Area"
www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/d204suit/844929,6_1_NA16_METEA_S1.article

b). From PHMSA primis.phmsa.dot.gov/comm/FactSheets/FSHCA.htm we know that:

HCAs for natural gas transmission pipelines:

An equation has been developed based on research and experience that estimates the distance from a potential explosion at which death, injury or significant property damage could occur. This distance is known as the “potential impact radius” (or PIR), and is used to depict potential impact circles.
Operators must calculate the potential impact radius for all points along their pipelines and evaluate corresponding impact circles to identify what population is contained within each circle.
Potential impact circles that contain 20 or more structures intended for human occupancy;, buildings housing populations of limited mobility; buildings that would be hard to evacuate (e.g., nursing homes, schools); or buildings and outside areas occupied by more than 20 persons on a specified minimum number of days each year, are defined as HCA’s.

c). Therefore, Metea will be built within the PIR.

archwinsome said:

doctorwho said:

But I expect no less than gloating next week ( to go along with the sit up and shut down talks we already get) - and I told you so's

Of course, if a problem that was pointed out rears its ugly head in the future they'll be the same ones on the evening news with the dumbfounded look on their faces saying "We had no idea... who would have known...?"



42, did you ever do your version of the math to calculate the PIR for these lines? Is it less than 650 feet? Is it less than the distance of the MV building from the lines? (300ish feet)

Please share...

[steckdad]

doc and arch....your gloom and doom/everyone got screwed posts will never end, so I will take the high road on this subject.

think about this...what if MV turns out to be a great, award winning school AND the site is clean and 20 yrs from now there are still no explosions....can we let it go then?

[Arch]

steckdad said:

doc and arch....your gloom and doom/everyone got screwed posts will never end, so I will take the high road on this subject.

think about this...what if MV turns out to be a great, award winning school AND the site is clean and 20 yrs from now there are still no explosions....can we let it go then?

Of course I can. If nothing bad happens on the site over the lifetime of the building and all my worry was for nothing, I'm perfectly fine with that because no one gets hurt or killed.

Now, if YOU are wrong and there is a problem down the line and someone gets hurt or dies as a result will YOU be OK with that?

I've accepted myself being wrong as acceptable before I ever chose my position on this topic. Let's play the hypothetical, as you want to, and say something does happen. Are you OK with that?

Let's be honest with each other here. The SB and Administration has already voted and said that it's OK if they are wrong about this issue and that a failure would be acceptable because they have chosen to take on the risk by arrogantly assuming that there is 0 chance of it ever happening.

Someone at the pipeline company told them what they wanted to hear and they obviously feel there is 0 danger.

This will be crucial in the future if there ever is a problem because the liability is that the district KNEW they are locating a school within the PIR of the pipelines.

[mandmmom]

steckdad said:

doc and arch....your gloom and doom/everyone got screwed posts will never end, so I will take the high road on this subject.

think about this...what if MV turns out to be a great, award winning school AND the site is clean and 20 yrs from now there are still no explosions....can we let it go then?

Steckdad, I am surprised that you and many others are willing to gamble with the lives of children. IMO, this gamble is not worth the risk.

I hope nothing happens if the school is built there....but there are too many negatives surrounding this site.

IMO, it is ridiculous that people are fighting for this location...why fight for a location that has so many negatives against it that could potentially harm children...

[doctorwho]

steckdad said:

doc and arch....your gloom and doom/everyone got screwed posts will never end, so I will take the high road on this subject.

think about this...what if MV turns out to be a great, award winning school AND the site is clean and 20 yrs from now there are still no explosions....can we let it go then?

Why would someone fight so hard so something with so many risks ? That's what I question. Would you send your kids on the road in a car that had been totalled, then was remediated...had questionable wiring/ tires etc but a mechanic told you it was OK.

You're quick to judge people on comparing themselves to everyone included Jesus, and yet no one has taken that judgement with you.

I will not send my children there, period as I am obviously not the gambler you are....but by your address you're not sending your children there either - so why so vehement for that site ?

and the better question is not should some of us let it go then-- if 10 years from now it proves there was an issue - will you and others be fine with the decision. I pray you are right and nothing every comes to fruiton there -
I am not willing to gamble on that -- the question is why are you ?


If this is the 'high road' I need to get a new map. Seems there may be another reason for your focus on AME- since you will not be attending it... I can take a guess but I am not going to put words in your mouth, a practice you seem willing to do for me and others

[Arch]

A PIR who's diameter is nearly the entire property east to west... Priceless...

[rural]

doctorwho said:

steckdad said:

doc and arch....your gloom and doom/everyone got screwed posts will never end, so I will take the high road on this subject.

think about this...what if MV turns out to be a great, award winning school AND the site is clean and 20 yrs from now there are still no explosions....can we let it go then?

Why would someone fight so hard so something with so many risks ? That's what I question. Would you send your kids on the road in a car that had been totalled, then was remediated...had questionable wiring/ tires etc but a mechanic told you it was OK.

You're quick to judge people on comparing themselves to everyone included Jesus, and yet no one has taken that judgement with you.

I will not send my children there, period as I am obviously not the gambler you are....but by your address you're not sending your children there either - so why so vehement for that site ?

and the better question is not should some of us let it go then-- if 10 years from now it proves there was an issue - will you and others be fine with the decision. I pray you are right and nothing every comes to fruiton there -
I am not willing to gamble on that -- the question is why are you ?


If this is the 'high road' I need to get a new map. Seems there may be another reason for your focus on AME- since you will not be attending it... I can take a guess but I am not going to put words in your mouth, a practice you seem willing to do for me and others

Doc, you have always been clear that you will not send your daughter there because of the distance. Period.

[Arch]

rural said:

Doc, you have always been clear that you will not send your daughter there because of the distance. Period.

There is this neat feature on the board.

Click on his handle, then search for his posts.

Throw in a number like 500 posts and you will find more reasons than just distance.

[rural]

I'm not suggesting that there aren't. I am reiterating that even if the site were 100% clean, Doc has stated that he would not send his child there simply because of the distance she would have to travel.

[Arch]

rural said:

I'm not suggesting that there aren't. I am reiterating that even if the site were 100% clean, Doc has stated that he would not send his child there simply because of the distance she would have to travel.

If you bothered to do what I suggested you would also see another reason is because it will now be an incomplete school with no varsity sports.

Being that he has stated he has children who engage in these sports and a previous one got wonderful scholarships playing them, it is an important factor in making the decision about where she will attend school.

[rural]

archwinsome said:

rural said:

I'm not suggesting that there aren't. I am reiterating that even if the site were 100% clean, Doc has stated that he would not send his child there simply because of the distance she would have to travel.

If you bothered to do what I suggested you would also see another reason is because it will now be an incomplete school with no varsity sports.

Being that he has stated he has children who engage in these sports and a previous one got wonderful scholarships playing them, it is an important factor in making the decision about where she will attend school.

You are right. I stand corrected. Please, Arch, tell me how these two important factors relate to the enviro-related concerns on the site?

[doctorwho]

rural said:

doctorwho said:

Why would someone fight so hard so something with so many risks ? That's what I question. Would you send your kids on the road in a car that had been totalled, then was remediated...had questionable wiring/ tires etc but a mechanic told you it was OK.

You're quick to judge people on comparing themselves to everyone included Jesus, and yet no one has taken that judgement with you.

I will not send my children there, period as I am obviously not the gambler you are....but by your address you're not sending your children there either - so why so vehement for that site ?

and the better question is not should some of us let it go then-- if 10 years from now it proves there was an issue - will you and others be fine with the decision. I pray you are right and nothing every comes to fruiton there -
I am not willing to gamble on that -- the question is why are you ?


If this is the 'high road' I need to get a new map. Seems there may be another reason for your focus on AME- since you will not be attending it... I can take a guess but I am not going to put words in your mouth, a practice you seem willing to do for me and others

Doc, you have always been clear that you will not send your daughter there because of the distance. Period.

You can remove that period. Yes it would have been a major issue, especially as it relates to my ability to interact with the school also... and yes that was the stance I took - no one needs to look it up. I chose to use that first - as the health issue is harder to talk about.


Those close to me, on this board and on green however know I have a very personal issue reagrding site safety, which I am just not going to share publicly.( and right now am going thru another round of issues with it) ...that overrides any distance. If this particular site was 4 blocks from my house I would not send my child there, is that clear ? That is a period.

If you don't believe me, sorry, I am not going into any more detail as it is more personal than I will share with all but closest friends. There are people who will vouch for the reality of my concern on both boards. But I don't feel I owe details to anyone other than it is health related - within my family - and has to do with environmental issues.


So while I unerstand how you got to your conclusion on me ( it is the way I chose to try and change thoings first) - I strongly suggest you not attack me personally on this issue -and trust me right now is not the time as my family going thru another round of medical issues potentially related to environ's.
that IS a period.

[Arch]

rural said:

archwinsome said:

If you bothered to do what I suggested you would also see another reason is because it will now be an incomplete school with no varsity sports.

Being that he has stated he has children who engage in these sports and a previous one got wonderful scholarships playing them, it is an important factor in making the decision about where she will attend school.

You are right. I stand corrected. Please, Arch, tell me how these two important factors relate to the enviro-related concerns on the site?

I was curious myself after you posted the false personal dig against the Doc.

This is a thread about pipeline BTUs and the heat danger that is calculated to be present in the event of a failure.

Do you have any math that disputes the calculated 650-700 foot PIR of the pipelines through the center of the property? In the event of an accident, nearly the entire school is inside of that circle, depending on the location of a failure if one were to occur.

Do you have anything to add or dispute this circle or high consequence area?