Disappointment

[WeBe204]

rew said:

That you tube has me crying. It's the hardest I've laughed in 6 months!!

It's Friday afternoon so a little more fun. This is how we are going to send our middle schoolers to Still from Ashwood. youtube.com/watch?v=u2-od4n5Xl0

We have not completed engineering on the landing part of the trip.

[oakhurst]

EagleDad
There are two different foot bridges that get us across the lake and creek to get to WVHS. One of the bridges goes directly into the WVHS practice fields

[momof156graders]

steckparent said:

I am a Steck parent and live in Oakhurst. We live right behind Waubonsie and would walk to school. It is a 5 minute walk and would actually take longer to drive to go around our neighborhood. I do not want to go to MV when WV is literally behind my house. I understood from the school district that they would not move walkers. So any proposal to send walkers to another school should be dismissed.

I understand the frustration of parents over the distances traveled and splits in middle schools and elementary schools and every effort should be made to avoid these results. However, Steck should not be changed from WV.

I agree with you. I just got back from geographically educating myself. I have lived in Naperville for about 20 years, but have not been familiar with all the neighborhoods in our district. I just drove through Georgetown, Gombert, Still, Springbrook, Owen, and Welch. I have looked at the maps, and played with numbers, but actually driving from the elementary schools has given me a new perspective. I suggest the school board do the same(it was about a 2 hour process). Traffic east west was better than north south. The far end of some of these attendance ares was surprising. For example Welch area is always said to be walkers to NVHS, and parts of Welch are right across the street from NVHS, but I was surprised parts of their attendance area near 59 and 79th are actually closer to WVHS: (below from mapquest)
Waubonsie Valley High School
2590 Ogden Ave, Aurora, IL (3.71 miles away)
Neuqua Valley High School
2360 95th St, Naperville, IL (7.31 miles away)
Waubonsie Valley High School
1305 Long Grove Dr, Aurora, IL (4.13 miles away)
Springbrook at 87 and modaff felt like I should have been in 203.
Owen juts up weird on the map like it has a part that feels out of place.
In driving through the Oakhurst areas, it felt like WVHS was very much a part of the neighborhood, and I would not want to leave the area to go up to MVHS either.
I understand some of the arguments more, some less for the current proposal. I suggest anyone who can to try this.

Oh - by the way, my newest suggestion is open enrollment. There are no boundary lines, just go to the closest school (or the one of your choice) I am closest to Neaqua, bu not to far from Plainfield North, or the Oswego high school. I guess that means technically WVHS is my 4th closest high school! What a mess!

[doctorwho]

oakhurst said:

For the record as an Oakhurst/Steck Parent, I would like to stay at WVHS. It would not help anything as far as test scores to simply trade Owen or MW out with Steck. The fact would still remain the same - WVHS is placed with the majority of the disctricts lower performing students. In my opinion it make the most sense to switch Owen out with McCarty. It helps with the test score gap and helps with the tremendous commute Owen will experience.

As someone who was an average (sometimes unmotivated) student in High School, I can say being in an environment with students who kept the bar high helped push me to do better. Every child in this district deserves that same opportunity.

trading out non walkers from Steck and McCarty for Owen and Watts does indeed change the schools scores - and takes away both long commutes, and the spreadsheets are there to support that.

Watts 94.9 Steck 93.8 Owen 93.2 McCarty 81.2


IMHO Owen East S/B @ NV - that's what best fixes that commute and we're talkng less than 50 8th graders per year - I would defer to Owen East parents though for their take on it...

[EagleDad]

oakhurst said:

EagleDad
There are two different foot bridges that get us across the lake and creek to get to WVHS. One of the bridges goes directly into the WVHS practice fields

Yes, I see that, I was just wondering if they are "Priority routes" and maintained by the Park District and City. Sorry to ask, but if these same things are needed for TG's bridge then I'm assuming they were looked at from a safety perpective there as well. I probably missed that memo from Karla Zozulia in my kids backpack.

I wonder if same day snow removal is done - it looks like snow in the forcast, I should check it out. I also wonder if the river freezes over in the winter - might a kid try to avoid the bridge as a shortcut and get in trouble?

I do agree that it makes a lot more sense to swap McCarty and Owen. It solves the biggest geography problem and achievement gap at the same time. It seems an obvious call - I hope it is considered.

[doctorwho]

momof156graders said:

steckparent said:

I am a Steck parent and live in Oakhurst. We live right behind Waubonsie and would walk to school. It is a 5 minute walk and would actually take longer to drive to go around our neighborhood. I do not want to go to MV when WV is literally behind my house. I understood from the school district that they would not move walkers. So any proposal to send walkers to another school should be dismissed.

I understand the frustration of parents over the distances traveled and splits in middle schools and elementary schools and every effort should be made to avoid these results. However, Steck should not be changed from WV.

I agree with you. I just got back from geographically educating myself. I have lived in Naperville for about 20 years, but have not been familiar with all the neighborhoods in our district. I just drove through Georgetown, Gombert, Still, Springbrook, Owen, and Welch. I have looked at the maps, and played with numbers, but actually driving from the elementary schools has given me a new perspective. I suggest the school board do the same(it was about a 2 hour process). Traffic east west was better than north south. The far end of some of these attendance ares was surprising. For example Welch area is always said to be walkers to NVHS, and parts of Welch are right across the street from NVHS, but I was surprised parts of their attendance area near 59 and 79th are actually closer to WVHS: (below from mapquest)
Waubonsie Valley High School
2590 Ogden Ave, Aurora, IL (3.71 miles away)
Neuqua Valley High School
2360 95th St, Naperville, IL (7.31 miles away)
Waubonsie Valley High School
1305 Long Grove Dr, Aurora, IL (4.13 miles away)
Springbrook at 87 and modaff felt like I should have been in 203.
Owen juts up weird on the map like it has a part that feels out of place.
In driving through the Oakhurst areas, it felt like WVHS was very much a part of the neighborhood, and I would not want to leave the area to go up to MVHS either.
I understand some of the arguments more, some less for the current proposal. I suggest anyone who can to try this.

Oh - by the way, my newest suggestion is open enrollment. There are no boundary lines, just go to the closest school (or the one of your choice) I am closest to Neaqua, bu not to far from Plainfield North, or the Oswego high school. I guess that means technically WVHS is my 4th closest high school! What a mess!

not bad - 4th closest -=heck I am willing to bet if 204 built another school - and it was 4th closest they'd sendus to that one.

to my house

closest Naperville Central ( walker )
then Naperville North
Neuqua Valley
Benet Academy
Waubonsie Valley
Wheaton Warrenville HS

and 'just' outside the distance Plainfield East


"and I would not want to leave the area to go up to MVHS either"

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...... outside of the 4 schools close by, the question is - WHO DOES ?. That tells me the site is an issue.

[rew]

brad204 said:

rew said:

That you tube has me crying. It's the hardest I've laughed in 6 months!!

It's Friday afternoon so a little more fun. This is how we are going to send our middle schoolers to Still from Ashwood. youtube.com/watch?v=u2-od4n5Xl0

We have not completed engineering on the landing part of the trip.

Thanks b204 ;D, TGIF

[EagleDad]

rew said:

brad204 said:

It's Friday afternoon so a little more fun. This is how we are going to send our middle schoolers to Still from Ashwood. youtube.com/watch?v=u2-od4n5Xl0

We have not completed engineering on the landing part of the trip.

Thanks b204 ;D, TGIF

Oh man, that is so wrong - there has to be a felony in there somewhere.

[moshi moshi]

momof156graders said:

For example Welch area is always said to be walkers to NVHS, and parts of Welch are right across the street from NVHS, but I was surprised parts of their attendance area near 59 and 79th are actually closer to WVHS: (below from mapquest)
Waubonsie Valley High School
2590 Ogden Ave, Aurora, IL (3.71 miles away)
Neuqua Valley High School
2360 95th St, Naperville, IL (7.31 miles away)
Waubonsie Valley High School
1305 Long Grove Dr, Aurora, IL (4.13 miles away)

Not true.

Let's do a mapquest from the intersection of Rt. 59 and 79th to both these two high schools:
Neuqua Valley High School
2360 95th St, Naperville, IL (3.26 miles away)
Waubonsie Valley High School
2590 Ogden Ave, Aurora, IL (3.28 miles away)

These are the driving distances. The intersection is the north-west corner of Welch.

[steckparent]

I do not think that the solution for Owen's long commute is to separate walkers v.s non walkers out of Steck and McCarty. Then you would be sending children in one neighborhood to two different high schools. WVHS is a part of the Oakhurst neighborhood.

I joined this thread because I did not want the misperception that Steck families did not care whether they went to Metea or WVHS to be perpetuated. I do not pretend that I have all of the solutions for this difficult problem. As far as middle school choices for Steck, location wise there are several choices which would be fine -- the freshman campus, still, granger. I have to admit that I am not thrilled for Steck to be in the freshman campus with 2 of the 4 lowest performing es. But location wise it makes sense.

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[204family]

mo said:

momof156graders said:

For example Welch area is always said to be walkers to NVHS, and parts of Welch are right across the street from NVHS, but I was surprised parts of their attendance area near 59 and 79th are actually closer to WVHS: (below from mapquest)
Waubonsie Valley High School
2590 Ogden Ave, Aurora, IL (3.71 miles away)
Neuqua Valley High School
2360 95th St, Naperville, IL (7.31 miles away)
Waubonsie Valley High School
1305 Long Grove Dr, Aurora, IL (4.13 miles away)

Not true.
Let's do a mapquest from the intersection of Rt. 59 and 83rd to both these two high schools:
Neuqua Valley High School
2360 95th St, Naperville, IL (2.13 miles away)
Waubonsie Valley High School
2590 Ogden Ave, Aurora, IL (3.78 miles away)

Doesn't the attendance area go to 79th not 83rd?

[moshi moshi]

204family said:

mo said:

Not true.
Let's do a mapquest from the intersection of Rt. 59 and 83rd to both these two high schools:
Neuqua Valley High School
2360 95th St, Naperville, IL (2.13 miles away)
Waubonsie Valley High School
2590 Ogden Ave, Aurora, IL (3.78 miles away)

Doesn't the attendance area go to 79th not 83rd?

See the modified:

Let's do a mapquest from the intersection of Rt. 59 and 79th to both these two high schools:
Neuqua Valley High School
2360 95th St, Naperville, IL (3.26 miles away)
Waubonsie Valley High School
2590 Ogden Ave, Aurora, IL (3.28 miles away)

These are the driving distances. The intersection is the north-west corner of Welch.

[southerngal]

Hi - first post here. I have been diligently reading these posts and finally feel the need to respond to the distance of the Welch area from WV and NV. The only part of the Welch area that is north of 83rd is Aero Estates. After perusing the Scullen and Welch PTA directories, there are 23 (give or take a couple for counter error!) listed students in both schools that actually reside in that subdivision. Obviously, I have kids at each school. The percentage of the Welch area that lives north of 83rd is minute in comparison to the Welch area as a whole. If you do mapquest from the corner of 83rd and 59, which IMO is a more accurate representation, it is 2.11 miles to NV and 4.23 to WV. Just trying to clarify things!

[slp]

southerngal said:

Hi - first post here. I have been diligently reading these posts and finally feel the need to respond to the distance of the Welch area from WV and NV. The only part of the Welch area that is north of 83rd is Aero Estates. After perusing the Scullen and Welch PTA directories, there are 23 (give or take a couple for counter error!) listed students in both schools that actually reside in that subdivision. Obviously, I have kids at each school. The percentage of the Welch area that lives north of 83rd is minute in comparison to the Welch area as a whole. If you do mapquest from the corner of 83rd and 59, which IMO is a more accurate representation, it is 2.11 miles to NV and 4.23 to WV. Just trying to clarify things!

Welcome to the board!

Are you from Welch?

If so, would you object to a middle school assignment at Still? Welch experiences a split school at Scullen anyway (under the admin. proposal) ; Welch moving to Still would allow Scullen to be a 100% WVHS feeder. Just curious to hear from someone at Welch.

Welch is not being asked to leave NVHS, so I am sure a middle school split seems like a small sacrafice to you.

[southerngal]

slp,

Obviously, for selfish reasons, that wouldn't be my first choice. However, if that is what it would take to pacify the majority, then my kids and I would accept that. It would only seem fair that they would let this year's 6th graders, regardless if they are from WE or Welch, finish out ms at Scullen and not have to switch in 8th - that would make it more palatable. All of my kid's new friends that have been made in ms are from WE. She will be sad not to go to hs with them. My other kid is much younger - I'm not even worrying about where he's going to ms. It will probably change by then:)