Disappointment

[jwh]

macy said:

brooksmom said:

You missed the key word - WELCH could go to WV. Fry would go to NV. Let's throw another subdivision under the bus to save our own, shall we?

Brooksmom,

Do you really expect that people will put other subdivision's best interest ahead of their own?

Isn't it every man for themselves? Show me one subdivision that is willing to sacrifice what that they feel is in their best interest for the better of another?

In a warm and fuzzy world, I understand your logic. That's not reality, and shouldn't be such, in my opinion.

That was proven the last go around of the boundaries, as others made suggestions why being the only 1 of the 4 feeding schools in the MS to be split off on there own was fine. "Your PTA is great for the current HS" or "They'll make new friends" or just smirks. When it's not in your back yard.....

[Arch]

jwh said:

macy said:

Brooksmom,

Do you really expect that people will put other subdivision's best interest ahead of their own?

Isn't it every man for themselves? Show me one subdivision that is willing to sacrifice what that they feel is in their best interest for the better of another?

In a warm and fuzzy world, I understand your logic. That's not reality, and shouldn't be such, in my opinion.

That was proven the last go around of the boundaries, as others made suggestions why being the only 1 of the 4 feeding schools in the MS to be split off on there own was fine. "Your PTA is great for the current HS" or "They'll make new friends" or just smirks. When it's not in your back yard.....

Then they came out and pulled the handle to the tune of 80%.. "for the good of the district".. the rest is history.

[southsidemom]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

confused said:

Maybe it's a solution that makes more sense and significantly reduces splits. There is a way to minimize splits that the district doesn't seem to care about. I really don't understand why they don't care. Maybe because they have a personal agenda in the South? maybe it's easier to keep the three areas you've already upset as the ones still upset. At least you keep the rest of the areas happy and maybe they'll continue to vote for you?

I think it is because they can argue that areas like WE and Fry were probably going to travel a similar distance to MV @ BB and they may even have encountered split middle schools there. Did anyone really know where we were going to MS in the last boundary proposal??? Anyway, the board probably thought that "hey, WE and Fry were very supportive of the boundary proposal in 2006,even though they knew they were leaving NV and maybe facing a split MS. So maybe they will be OK with this new proposal?" I guess only the board knows. Maybe they will justify their actions at the meeting.

I will be listening to BG very closely at this meeting. You can believe that. Maybe he will be the "official statistician" of the comments and poll results once again. I just hope that the SB can take emotion out of the equation and just do what is truly best for our children.

[macy]

southsidemom said:

sleeplessinnpvl said:

I think it is because they can argue that areas like WE and Fry were probably going to travel a similar distance to MV @ BB and they may even have encountered split middle schools there. Did anyone really know where we were going to MS in the last boundary proposal??? Anyway, the board probably thought that "hey, WE and Fry were very supportive of the boundary proposal in 2006,even though they knew they were leaving NV and maybe facing a split MS. So maybe they will be OK with this new proposal?" I guess only the board knows. Maybe they will justify their actions at the meeting.

I will be listening to BG very closely at this meeting. You can believe that. Maybe he will be the "official statistician" of the comments and poll results once again. I just hope that the SB can take emotion out of the equation and just do what is truly best for our children.

Yes, southside mom,

Bruce Glawe seems to be the spinmaster of the school board.

My personal favorite... back up to the 06 meetings when he stated that although 70% of the survey monkey feedback preferred option 2, he further diseminated the survey to provide for an even better option... 5A. Ha ha ha... master of the spin he is. Although, this time, many have his number.

Why the heck even post a survey if you aren't going to adhere to what get's sent in? Furthermore, does anyone really believe the district gives a hoot about the feedback they recieve? It was obvious to me at the last meeting, the board manipulates the feedback they get to support whatever decision they intend on making. Seemed to me that on 1/22 their behavior was well orchestrated. Kinda like the actors in bad soap operas.

hey... no attacks.. my opinion.

If the 204 board can dispute this, I'd like to see some proof. Please post the feedback you received on the ipsd site prior to the site selection. You said it was 70% positive. Something stinks to me about the way in which you presented it.

Let's all keep that in mind when submitting feedback. Spin, spin, manipulate the data, the ultimate objective of the board. What's the point?... they are the masters of spin!

Sorry I'm so cynical. I never used to be that way. Living here in 204 during this nightmare has enlightened me.

Spin, spin, spin... etc... Ultimately, this type of behavior will come back and kick the district squarely in the a&*....

Can we FOIA feedback on the survey monkey?

[sushi]

forthekids said:

concerned said:

Trust me you would be hearing from the Welch community if they were moved from NV. They put out a rumor that Fry had a petition to boot them out of NV. This rumor was ment to get the Welch community aware that they might move. Welch is very happy, they didn't make ONE MOVE and their split is soooooo different from FRY's.

SB was very vocal in the first boundary wars, but they got to fight when Fry was placed at NV in 3 out of 4 proposal, SB got to fight before the wars became so public. They were saying the same things we in the FRY community have been saying. I quess it is ok for others to act one way, but for others areas we are to just take one for the team.

I guess I haven't been clear. This "conversation" has gotten very convoluted! Of course, everyone has a right to voice their opinions when the decisions are being made. My point is that the decision was made before the referendum who was moving out of NVHS. Just because BB is no longer the site does not, in my opinion, mean that everything is up for grabs, again. The point I have been trying to make is simply that if BB were still the option, Fry would not be complaining now. It is only because they will be at WVHS that the battles are beginning anew.

Absofreakinglutely!!!!!!

[macy]

sushi said:

forthekids said:

I guess I haven't been clear. This "conversation" has gotten very convoluted! Of course, everyone has a right to voice their opinions when the decisions are being made. My point is that the decision was made before the referendum who was moving out of NVHS. Just because BB is no longer the site does not, in my opinion, mean that everything is up for grabs, again. The point I have been trying to make is simply that if BB were still the option, Fry would not be complaining now. It is only because they will be at WVHS that the battles are beginning anew.

Absofreakinglutely!!!!!!

You both obviously don't get the perspective of those in the Fry community.

It's a completely different situation than when the community voted in the spring of 06. Have you talked to folks from Brookdale lately? They voted no... Say it's KARMA that landed them in the new school.

Stop picking on the Fry community. It's becoming rather obvious what your motivations are. Respect opinions that are different from yours.

Do you see Fry residents making disparaging comments about WVHS, WE, other communities?

Why do you continue to continuously bash the FRY community for having an opinion? What are your motivations?

It's so obvious to me.. anyone else? Get over it.. move on.

[doctorwho]

forthekids said:

macy said:

Brooksmom,

Do you really expect that people will put other subdivision's best interest ahead of their own?

Isn't it every man for themselves? Show me one subdivision that is willing to sacrifice what that they feel is in their best interest for the better of another?

In a warm and fuzzy world, I understand your logic. That's not reality, and shouldn't be such, in my opinion.

Actually, if you read through the posts you will find many people on this board who only want what is best for the district. I know I feel that way. I also know many of my neighbors who feel the same. And also, it is reality and should be in my opinion. People make sacrifices all the time for the good of the whole.

True, we all make sacrifices for the good of the whole-- tax referendums are a perfect example - no one ever gets the same as someone else --however I draw the line when my kid has to be the one who gets the short end of the stick-

[macy]

doctorwho said:

forthekids said:

Actually, if you read through the posts you will find many people on this board who only want what is best for the district. I know I feel that way. I also know many of my neighbors who feel the same. And also, it is reality and should be in my opinion. People make sacrifices all the time for the good of the whole.

True, we all make sacrifices for the good of the whole-- tax referendums are a perfect example - no one ever gets the same as someone else --however I draw the line when my kid has to be the one to pay the price for someone else --

Me too! Some think I'm selfish, they obviously don't have a clue what I'm all about.

[forthekids]

macy said:

doctorwho said:

True, we all make sacrifices for the good of the whole-- tax referendums are a perfect example - no one ever gets the same as someone else --however I draw the line when my kid has to be the one to pay the price for someone else --

Me too! Some think I'm selfish, they obviously don't have a clue what I'm all about.

Not selfish? This is a perfect example of selfish -- let someone else's kid pay the price. What price are they paying by the way. Going to a high school in District 204? I really don't get what you are upset about?

[forthekids]

macy said:

sushi said:

Absofreakinglutely!!!!!!

You both obviously don't get the perspective of those in the Fry community.

It's a completely different situation than when the community voted in the spring of 06. Have you talked to folks from Brookdale lately? They voted no... Say it's KARMA that landed them in the new school.

Stop picking on the Fry community. It's becoming rather obvious what your motivations are. Respect opinions that are different from yours.

Do you see Fry residents making disparaging comments about WVHS, WE, other communities?

Why do you continue to continuously bash the FRY community for having an opinion? What are your motivations?

It's so obvious to me.. anyone else? Get over it.. move on.

Here's what you don't seem to get -- I don't have any motivations! I don't care where my kid goes to school. I don't have a problem with a "community" only people who think they "deserve" something more than someone else. As I have said over and over again -- there were no complaints from Fry about going to school at BB -- it was only when they found out they were going to WV that the complaints started anew. You are not voicing an opinion, you are claiming that you have more of a right to attend NV than anyone else (Welch, Springbrook). That is my problem with your statements.

[sushi]

So Brookdale is being "punished" by having to go to Metea? In the big picture of life, the kids are very resilient - the parents make the problems. My daughter attended 2 middle schools; both kids are not in contact with ANY of their ES or MS friends. Your kids must be young and it's hard to realize that they really can cope - they'll be alright.

By the way, what "motivation" are you talking about? My motivation is trying to put this mess behind us and get on with the third highschool we so desperatly need. There is absolutely no way to please everyone. I have good friends and relatives in TG, I know the entire neighborhood does not feel as you do.

[slp]

I am NOT upset about attending WVHS . Infact, I prefer it over opening up a new school .

I do have a problem asking a few areas to make changes at both the high school AND middle school levels while others don't have any changes AT ALL. (areas that geographically could fit into the mix of change; ie: Welch for a middle school re-assignment)

It is not right to have ONE area change their high school, AND middle school , AND have their middle school split. It is not right when there are other areas totally unaffected by any of this that are geographically positioned to make a move as well.

[slp]

forthekids said:

macy said:

You both obviously don't get the perspective of those in the Fry community.

It's a completely different situation than when the community voted in the spring of 06. Have you talked to folks from Brookdale lately? They voted no... Say it's KARMA that landed them in the new school.

Stop picking on the Fry community. It's becoming rather obvious what your motivations are. Respect opinions that are different from yours.

Do you see Fry residents making disparaging comments about WVHS, WE, other communities?

Why do you continue to continuously bash the FRY community for having an opinion? What are your motivations?

It's so obvious to me.. anyone else? Get over it.. move on.

Here's what you don't seem to get -- I don't have any motivations! I don't care where my kid goes to school. I don't have a problem with a "community" only people who think they "deserve" something more than someone else. As I have said over and over again -- there were no complaints from Fry about going to school at BB -- it was only when they found out they were going to WV that the complaints started anew. You are not voicing an opinion, you are claiming that you have more of a right to attend NV than anyone else (Welch, Springbrook). That is my problem with your statements.

I don't agree with you here; Fry absolutely objected to going to MVHS. Read any prior posts on this site and you will see that loud and clear.

Not a fair statement about Fry .

Many of us in White Eagle wished our TG neighbors would have embraced BB, but they did not and I respected their opinion to do so.

[forthekids]

slp said:

forthekids said:

Here's what you don't seem to get -- I don't have any motivations! I don't care where my kid goes to school. I don't have a problem with a "community" only people who think they "deserve" something more than someone else. As I have said over and over again -- there were no complaints from Fry about going to school at BB -- it was only when they found out they were going to WV that the complaints started anew. You are not voicing an opinion, you are claiming that you have more of a right to attend NV than anyone else (Welch, Springbrook). That is my problem with your statements.

I don't agree with you here; Fry absolutely objected to going to MVHS. Read any prior posts on this site and you will see that loud and clear.

Not a fair statement about Fry .

Many of us in White Eagle wished our TG neighbors would have embraced BB, but they did not and I respected their opinion to do so.

I agree, Fry did object at first but when it came time to vote for the referendum, they came out and were very supportive. The outcry has only come about since the boundary decision but them at WV.

[confused]

forthekids said:

macy said:

You both obviously don't get the perspective of those in the Fry community.

It's a completely different situation than when the community voted in the spring of 06. Have you talked to folks from Brookdale lately? They voted no... Say it's KARMA that landed them in the new school.

Stop picking on the Fry community. It's becoming rather obvious what your motivations are. Respect opinions that are different from yours.

Do you see Fry residents making disparaging comments about WVHS, WE, other communities?

Why do you continue to continuously bash the FRY community for having an opinion? What are your motivations?

It's so obvious to me.. anyone else? Get over it.. move on.

Here's what you don't seem to get -- I don't have any motivations! I don't care where my kid goes to school. I don't have a problem with a "community" only people who think they "deserve" something more than someone else. As I have said over and over again -- there were no complaints from Fry about going to school at BB -- it was only when they found out they were going to WV that the complaints started anew. You are not voicing an opinion, you are claiming that you have more of a right to attend NV than anyone else (Welch, Springbrook). That is my problem with your statements.

Back up a minute. I think a big problem that Fry is complaining about is the middle school situation - that's what started this whole thread. Being completely split from your MS.

And, by the way, if you recall, they DID have a problem with BB - that's how they got the bad rap to begin with. Remember Fry Babies, etc.? It was the same problem then as it is now. They are right across the street from the school, they have safe passage to the school and, to top it off, putting Fry at a different school is causing a bad middle school split.

Don't try to make this into something it's not.