Disappointment - Cont'd Part3

[wvhsparent]

d204mom said:

Does everyone really think they will approve a set of boundaries tomorrow night?

Am I the only one thinking it's premature given that we haven't seen the Phase II and we haven't closed on the property yet?

I am going back and forth still. Part of me wants them to be done with it, and part of me wants them to try to work on it some more.
If they do decide, They had better be able to justify each and every assignment.

[WeBe204]

d204mom said:

Does everyone really think they will approve a set of boundaries tomorrow night?

Am I the only one thinking it's premature given that we haven't seen the Phase II and we haven't closed on the property yet?

I say they get approved. It will be very orderly and it will go through smoothly. Well, except for the public comment part. What time do people think I need to get there to sit in the actually room and not the remote room?

[bbc]

we4 said:

Not sure how I feel about this whole thing. I guess I don't see a difference between the education my kids would have received at NV if no 3rd hs vs the education they will receive at WV. Why would having 3 of the 4 lowest performing schools change my kids education? I have been trying to think how this would affect my children and I cannot see how.

Help me out, am I missing something? I just don't see it.

First let me state that my kids go to WV and I am fine with WV. However, u are kidding yourself if you don't think there is a difference. IMHO, when u put kids into an environment where they are surrounded by high performing kids, they will try to achieve at a higher level themselves. Also, underperforming kids will potentially take up more resources in the form of increased teacher attention either in the form of one on one instruction or answering questions that might not be asked in a classroom with higher achieving students. I am not for busing these kids all the way to NV to balance things out but there is a resource question that should be addressed. If WV has more under-performing students maybe they should have a slightly higher resource allocation so that teacher attention isn't shifted downward at the expense of your average and top students.

[chicoryowl]

doctorwho said:

eagledad said:

I'd make that deal in a second if I wasn't worried about my kids growing a third eyeball.

No thanks - the erector set is all yours.

no thanks- only one answer for that

I just want to go on record as saying this picture is a blatant exageration. My famiily drove by the site the other day and godzilla was much smaller. Though I will admit his demeanor seems about the same as what is depicted.

[doctorwho]

brad204 said:

d204mom said:

Does everyone really think they will approve a set of boundaries tomorrow night?

Am I the only one thinking it's premature given that we haven't seen the Phase II and we haven't closed on the property yet?

I say they get approved. It will be very orderly and it will go through smoothly. Well, except for the public comment part. What time do people think I need to get there to sit in the actually room and not the remote room?

why am I picturing the trail scene from Animal House here ?

[proschool]

fence said:

I wanted to revist something that Dr. Who mentioned as a concern in the last thread - it got kind of buried in all the boundary anger. I was just thinking about this issue too the other day:

Are they planning to close WV gold in 2009-2010 at the same time they open MV? If so, what is going to happen to WV at that point, if it's at capacity now with 3 grade levels? How will 4 grade levels fit in that school for 2 years without problems?

MV will be practically empty, NV will have much needed relief, and WV will be completely overstuffed? Is that really the plan?

Yep. That's the plan. My solution was to place all WV freshmen at the Metea Valley building for the first year and maybe even the second year . Then MV would be like a freshman center that serves two high schools. It also keeps the WV freshmen from being totally outnumbered in a crowded school where they would be the only freshmen in the district dealing with upperclassmen at all.

I've brought this up before but it hasn't been too popular.

[gatormom]

bbc said:

we4 said:

Not sure how I feel about this whole thing. I guess I don't see a difference between the education my kids would have received at NV if no 3rd hs vs the education they will receive at WV. Why would having 3 of the 4 lowest performing schools change my kids education? I have been trying to think how this would affect my children and I cannot see how.

Help me out, am I missing something? I just don't see it.

First let me state that my kids go to WV and I am fine with WV. However, u are kidding yourself if you don't think there is a difference. IMHO, when u put kids into an environment where they are surrounded by high performing kids, they will try to achieve at a higher level themselves. Also, underperforming kids will potentially take up more resources in the form of increased teacher attention either in the form of one on one instruction or answering questions that might not be asked in a classroom with higher achieving students. I am not for busing these kids all the way to NV to balance things out but there is a resource question that should be addressed. If WV has more under-performing students maybe they should have a slightly higher resource allocation so that teacher attention isn't shifted downward at the expense of your average and top students.

Do you have high school students bbc? I only ask because once our children go to high school, students who are struggling are in classes where they can get that attention. Other students who are brilliant are in classes designed for them.

Really, attending school with students who are under-achieving should not impact your child at all. They might get a gym class together.

[doctorwho]

proschool said:

fence said:

I wanted to revist something that Dr. Who mentioned as a concern in the last thread - it got kind of buried in all the boundary anger. I was just thinking about this issue too the other day:

Are they planning to close WV gold in 2009-2010 at the same time they open MV? If so, what is going to happen to WV at that point, if it's at capacity now with 3 grade levels? How will 4 grade levels fit in that school for 2 years without problems?

MV will be practically empty, NV will have much needed relief, and WV will be completely overstuffed? Is that really the plan?

Yep. That's the plan. My solution was to place all WV freshmen at the Metea Valley building for the first year and maybe even the second year . Then MV would be like a freshman center that serves two high schools. It also keeps the WV freshmen from being totally outnumbered in a crowded school where they would be the only freshmen in the district dealing with upperclassmen at all.

I've brought this up before but it hasn't been too popular.

can we make the experience for those at MV any crappier - with any less sense of community ?

That's why I would be against this -- it has everything stacked against it already- then some trying to put the final nail in- make it the lowest performing on top of the commute/ half finished when it opens/ no varsity sports/ distance/EPA type issues ( real or perceived) - now we'll moe temporary students there as well.

Heck can we put the county juvenile detention center there as well ?

It was supposed to be an EQUAL high school experience for the kids that go there -now it seems that anything anyone else sees as in the way - should be sent there

[WeBe204]

doctorwho said:

brad204 said:

I say they get approved. It will be very orderly and it will go through smoothly. Well, except for the public comment part. What time do people think I need to get there to sit in the actually room and not the remote room?

why am I picturing the trail scene from Animal House here ?

haha.

I do not know really what to expect from the public comment. Other than the cheering and clapping at the 1/22 meeting it was pretty sedate. There were just a lot of nervous people doing their best to pull off a public speach.

[chicoryowl]

gatormom said:

bbc said:

First let me state that my kids go to WV and I am fine with WV. However, u are kidding yourself if you don't think there is a difference. IMHO, when u put kids into an environment where they are surrounded by high performing kids, they will try to achieve at a higher level themselves. Also, underperforming kids will potentially take up more resources in the form of increased teacher attention either in the form of one on one instruction or answering questions that might not be asked in a classroom with higher achieving students. I am not for busing these kids all the way to NV to balance things out but there is a resource question that should be addressed. If WV has more under-performing students maybe they should have a slightly higher resource allocation so that teacher attention isn't shifted downward at the expense of your average and top students.

Do you have high school students bbc? I only ask because once our children go to high school, students who are struggling are in classes where they can get that attention. Other students who are brilliant are in classes designed for them.

Really, attending school with students who are under-achieving should not impact your child at all. They might get a gym class together.

I agree with your sentiment. My belief is that all 3 of our schools no matter what the makeup, should have a large enough group of high performing students that other high performers can gravitate toward them.

[kmjone]

d204mom said:

Does everyone really think they will approve a set of boundaries tomorrow night?

Am I the only one thinking it's premature given that we haven't seen the Phase II and we haven't closed on the property yet?

The SB will want to get a done deal rather than drag it out like 2 years ago. That doesn't mean final boundaries will be approved tomorrow night. I'm thinking the SB will hear limited public comment, then consider some tweaks in the plan. I too am hoping for relief for Owen and May Watts. They've been troopers throughout the years of changing schools and long commutes to MS and HS. Then they are rewarded with an even longer commute to MV.

[doctorwho]

kmjone said:

d204mom said:

Does everyone really think they will approve a set of boundaries tomorrow night?

Am I the only one thinking it's premature given that we haven't seen the Phase II and we haven't closed on the property yet?

The SB will want to get a done deal rather than drag it out like 2 years ago. That doesn't mean final boundaries will be approved tomorrow night. I'm thinking the SB will hear limited public comment, then consider some tweaks in the plan. I too am hoping for relief for Owen and May Watts. They've been troopers throughout the years of changing schools and long commutes to MS and HS. Then they are rewarded with an even longer commute to MV.

Thanks for the kind words -- many of us here are hoping against hope also for relief- but we expect none.

I do not believe they can vote tomorrow unless the ADMIn somehow tweaks the boundaries before the meeting and they reivew them -- that's why I was watching when the exec session was. If it was before the meeting, and the SD gave them the boundary changes then, I beleive they could vote at the end of publc comment.... but if the SB members haven't seen the changes, I don't see how they could vote tomorow

[kmjone]

doctorwho said:

kmjone said:

The SB will want to get a done deal rather than drag it out like 2 years ago. That doesn't mean final boundaries will be approved tomorrow night. I'm thinking the SB will hear limited public comment, then consider some tweaks in the plan. I too am hoping for relief for Owen and May Watts. They've been troopers throughout the years of changing schools and long commutes to MS and HS. Then they are rewarded with an even longer commute to MV.

Thanks for the kind words -- many of us here are hoping against hope also for relief- but we expect none.

I do not believe they can vote tomorrow unless the ADMIn somehow tweaks the boundaries before the meeting and they reivew them -- that's why I was watching when the exec session was. If it was before the meeting, and the SD gave them the boundary changes then, I beleive they could vote at the end of publc comment.... but if the SB members haven't seen the changes, I don't see how they could vote tomorow

Let's hope for the best. I'd like to attend the meeting tomorrow, but I'm sure it'll be packed to the gills in that small board room. 6PM start, so I'm sure the parking lot will be filling up by 5PM. We'll see.

[doctorwho]

brad204 said:

doctorwho said:

why am I picturing the trail scene from Animal House here ?

haha.

I do not know really what to expect from the public comment. Other than the cheering and clapping at the 1/22 meeting it was pretty sedate. There were just a lot of nervous people doing their best to pull off a public speach.

so you missed the previous ones here ?

[doctorwho]

kmjone said:

doctorwho said:

Thanks for the kind words -- many of us here are hoping against hope also for relief- but we expect none.

I do not believe they can vote tomorrow unless the ADMIn somehow tweaks the boundaries before the meeting and they reivew them -- that's why I was watching when the exec session was. If it was before the meeting, and the SD gave them the boundary changes then, I beleive they could vote at the end of publc comment.... but if the SB members haven't seen the changes, I don't see how they could vote tomorow

Let's hope for the best. I'd like to attend the meeting tomorrow, but I'm sure it'll be packed to the gills in that small board room. 6PM start, so I'm sure the parking lot will be filling up by 5PM. We'll see.

I expect it will be a circus and really nothing that could be said would surprise me...