Disappointment - Cont'd Part3

[WeBe204]

kmjone said:

doctorwho said:

Thanks for the kind words -- many of us here are hoping against hope also for relief- but we expect none.

I do not believe they can vote tomorrow unless the ADMIn somehow tweaks the boundaries before the meeting and they reivew them -- that's why I was watching when the exec session was. If it was before the meeting, and the SD gave them the boundary changes then, I beleive they could vote at the end of publc comment.... but if the SB members haven't seen the changes, I don't see how they could vote tomorow

Let's hope for the best. I'd like to attend the meeting tomorrow, but I'm sure it'll be packed to the gills in that small board room. 6PM start, so I'm sure the parking lot will be filling up by 5PM. We'll see.

I am hoping against hope Peterson gets a couple of is pieces put back on. Its funny how low your expectations are when you are hoping for a two way split instead of a three way split.

[bbc]

gatormom said:

bbc said:

First let me state that my kids go to WV and I am fine with WV. However, u are kidding yourself if you don't think there is a difference. IMHO, when u put kids into an environment where they are surrounded by high performing kids, they will try to achieve at a higher level themselves. Also, underperforming kids will potentially take up more resources in the form of increased teacher attention either in the form of one on one instruction or answering questions that might not be asked in a classroom with higher achieving students. I am not for busing these kids all the way to NV to balance things out but there is a resource question that should be addressed. If WV has more under-performing students maybe they should have a slightly higher resource allocation so that teacher attention isn't shifted downward at the expense of your average and top students.

Do you have high school students bbc? I only ask because once our children go to high school, students who are struggling are in classes where they can get that attention. Other students who are brilliant are in classes designed for them.

Really, attending school with students who are under-achieving should not impact your child at all. They might get a gym class together.

I have kids that have graduated and a kid currently there. They take/have taken regular classes and some AP classes. Obviously underperforming students are not in AP classes but do take the regular/required courses. I knew I would get some heat on my comments but I stand by them. IMO, the underperforming students require additional teacher time that, by definition, must be diverted from other students to them. If the teacher is not spending a bit more time with students who need the additional help, it could be argued they aren't doing their job. If WV has more students who need more help, doesn't it stand to reason that the resource allocation at WV is slightly more skewed to these students than it might be at NV who doesn't have these students? These students DO deserve the attention but maybe WV deserves more resources to counteract it. Don't just ship them away.

[WeBe204]

doctorwho said:

brad204 said:

haha.

I do not know really what to expect from the public comment. Other than the cheering and clapping at the 1/22 meeting it was pretty sedate. There were just a lot of nervous people doing their best to pull off a public speach.

so you missed the previous ones here ?

Well during your last boundary wars I was a care free resident of Oak Park. We just had to deal with declining tax or flat tax growth because there was no growth..

[doctorwho]

brad204 said:

kmjone said:

Let's hope for the best. I'd like to attend the meeting tomorrow, but I'm sure it'll be packed to the gills in that small board room. 6PM start, so I'm sure the parking lot will be filling up by 5PM. We'll see.

I am hoping against hope Peterson gets a couple of is pieces put back on. Its funny how low your expectations are when you are hoping for a two way split instead of a three way split.

yep, kinda like Hoping for only the 2nd closest HS - and 3rd closest MS vs worse than that...

feeling like Oliver Twist beggin for more gruel....

[doctorwho]

brad204 said:

doctorwho said:

so you missed the previous ones here ?

Well during your last boundary wars I was a care free resident of Oak Park. We just had to deal with declining tax or flat tax growth because there was no growth..

yeah, those of us who can say we were there-- kinda like saying you were at Woodstock -- events that had to be witnessed in person to grasp them, no explanation will do...

not that it's anything to be proud of - but it does lay the groundwork for what we likely have ahead of us...

[gatormom]

bbc said:

I have kids that have graduated and a kid currently there. They take/have taken regular classes and some AP classes. Obviously underperforming students are not in AP classes but do take the regular/required courses. I knew I would get some heat on my comments but I stand by them. IMO, the underperforming students require additional teacher time that, by definition, must be diverted from other students to them. If the teacher is not spending a bit more time with students who need the additional help, it could be argued they aren't doing their job. If WV has more students who need more help, doesn't it stand to reason that the resource allocation at WV is slightly more skewed to these students than it might be at NV who doesn't have these students? These students DO deserve the attention but maybe WV deserves more resources to counteract it. Don't just ship them away.

I am no expert but my understanding is that resources are allocated where they are needed and not by school. By that I mean, if more students need math geared towards students who are struggling, those classes are available. The funding is by student and by student need, not by number of students at the school.

[WeBe204]

doctorwho said:

brad204 said:

Well during your last boundary wars I was a care free resident of Oak Park. We just had to deal with declining tax or flat tax growth because there was no growth..

yeah, those of us who can say we were there-- kinda like saying you were at Woodstock -- events that had to be witnessed in person to grasp them, no explanation will do...

not that it's anything to be proud of - but it does lay the groundwork for what we likely have ahead of us...

Well, I will be there tomorrow. If anything just so I can judge for myself what did or did not happen. Plus I promised to stand by the person who volunteered to speak on behalf of our area. She is trooper. She has her daughters wedding this weekend, but she also his gonna go and stand up tomorrow.

Sounds like I should take the first express back from the loop.

[doctorwho]

brad204 said:

doctorwho said:

yeah, those of us who can say we were there-- kinda like saying you were at Woodstock -- events that had to be witnessed in person to grasp them, no explanation will do...

not that it's anything to be proud of - but it does lay the groundwork for what we likely have ahead of us...

Well, I will be there tomorrow. If anything just so I can judge for myself what did or did not happen. Plus I promised to stand by the person who volunteered to speak on behalf of our area. She is trooper. She has her daughters wedding this weekend, but she also his gonna go and stand up tomorrow.

Sounds like I should take the first express back from the loop.

been a while since I commuted from downtown - if the Iron Rail is still in Union Station - you might want to grab yourself a few brws for the way home- you'll likely need them

[proschool]

doctorwho said:

proschool said:

Yep. That's the plan. My solution was to place all WV freshmen at the Metea Valley building for the first year and maybe even the second year . Then MV would be like a freshman center that serves two high schools. It also keeps the WV freshmen from being totally outnumbered in a crowded school where they would be the only freshmen in the district dealing with upperclassmen at all.

I've brought this up before but it hasn't been too popular.

can we make the experience for those at MV any crappier - with any less sense of community ?

That's why I would be against this -- it has everything stacked against it already- then some trying to put the final nail in- make it the lowest performing on top of the commute/ half finished when it opens/ no varsity sports/ distance/EPA type issues ( real or perceived) - now we'll moe temporary students there as well.

Heck can we put the county juvenile detention center there as well ?

It was supposed to be an EQUAL high school experience for the kids that go there -now it seems that anything anyone else sees as in the way - should be sent there

That's not how I see it.

This fall MV freshmen will be at WV Gold Campus. So the Gold Campus becomes a MV/WV shared Freshman center. In 2009 the shared Freshman center is at the new MV building and that could happen in 2010 as well. In the students' experience MV and WV students will share freshman Campuses for three years and it could be a very positive thing.

[sleeplessinnpvl]

I would like to say things to the folks that are concerned about the low performing schools coming in. People are putting too much emphasis on test scores and labeling around here. The folks going to MV @ BB still had three "under performing schools" at their campus and I didn't seem to hear the uproar. Now those three schools are different ones. So they might be the three lowest this year. Maybe next year they won't. I'd like to remind you that Young's scores significantly increased from last year. Same with Cowlishaw I believe. Hopefully with the low performing schools spread out, they will also spread out the resources needed to help them so no one school is overwhelmed and unable to do its job. I think two schools handling 3 under performing schools will be better than one school handling 6. It doesn't matter that WV is 0.3 points behind MV or whatever. You need to give the spread time. This whole gap thing might change from year to year. The achievement gap between NV and WV decreased this year compared to last, and we didn't spread anyone out or ship them off to Timbuktu.

[sleeplessinnpvl]

kmjone said:

wvhsparent said:

Then post your source and where we can verify it.

I'm still interested in Macy's response to WarriorDiva's facts on the Fry attendance area real estate. I too am likely to believe a real estate agent vs. someone that claims to have a "very credible source of information." Again, let's deal with the facts.

Macy, can you at least tell us if your source was a real estate agent or your neighbor? Just don't post things and not be able to back them up, OK?

[warriordiva]

kmjone said:

wvhsparent said:

Then post your source and where we can verify it.

I'm still interested in Macy's response to WarriorDiva's facts on the Fry attendance area real estate. I too am likely to believe a real estate agent vs. someone that claims to have a "very credible source of information." Again, let's deal with the facts.

I'm waiting for a response from Macy. When you enter into a contract to purchase a house, there is a paper trail that every real estate agent can see. There have not even been 5 houses under contract in the Fry attendance area, at one time in the last 3 months (more due to market conditions and time of year than anything else). I'll even 1 up Macy - there are 267 active listings in the Nequa Valley area, 40 of those are under contract, of the remaining 1 house reactivated on 12/13. Sorry but these are the facts.

[lacy]

eagledad said:

gatormom said:

Wasn't talking about those schools. So many schools are expressing a desire to STAY at NV, I thought it odd that somebody would try and find us space and kick another school out.

And ED, getting harder and harder not to judge the area by the actions of the few but as usual, I won't. I have quite a few friends from WE who are not ignorant snobs.

ignorant snobs? Nice

I was thinking the same thing.

I'm really tired of the labeling. Tonight should be lots of fun.

[gatormom]

lacy said:

eagledad said:

ignorant snobs? Nice

I was thinking the same thing.

I'm really tired of the labeling. Tonight should be lots of fun.

You must have skimmed over my apology.

[moo]

warriordiva said:

kmjone said:

I'm curious, did those 5 contracts fall through specifically because of the boundaries? Or, can it also be because of the crummy housing market today?

Okay I'm going to try this again! I'm a real estate agent and that is just bad information. According to the MLS (which I just checked) there are 37 active listings in the Fry attendance area. 4 of those are under contract including one which just sold in 1 day! There is only 1 contract that was sold and then reactivated and that happenen back on January 16 - long before the boundaries were announced. Passing on this type of mis-information is doing nothing to help the cause.

I'm also a real estate agent. When I saw Macy's message yesterday, I immediately tried to get registered to respond because that kind of mis-information can be so detrimental to the area.

Warriordiva is absolutely correct. The Fry attendance area doesn't seem to be lacking for sales any more than any other Naperville neighborhood in thier price range. (River Run 15 actives 2 under contract - Stillwater 22 actives 1 under contract)

This is pretty much in line with the rest of Naperville, the city as a whole has 501 single family homes listed in the MLS priced at 550,000 and over. 53 of those are under contract