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Post by Arch on Apr 13, 2008 23:28:11 GMT -6
The other one was a better graphic. I think you need to change back. You can not read the avatar as it sits.. but right-click my current one and select View Image.  ok ok, I'll stop veering off topic and do avatar stuff in the avatar thread. |
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Post by rural on Apr 13, 2008 23:32:25 GMT -6
Oddly appropriate no matter what your stance in this district. Frightening, isn't it?
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Post by MustangSix on Apr 14, 2008 1:25:52 GMT -6
You're absolutely correct. It seems Jennifer's comments really riled up the troops. There's a LOT more people involved and interested in hearing about the the SB's antics after this article was posted and they're coming out in numbers. The talk around the neighborhood has been lively and I'm thinking there will be a big turn-out at tomorrow's meeting. I would think that NSFOC has benefited from the Sun's article. Somehow words like entitled, racist, and elitist don't go over so big.  I received 3 phone calls this morning from neighbors asking if I'd read the paper and "how dare those people" say those awful things about others in the district. I calmly explained how Bruce Glawe got the ball rolling and Metzger and Daeschner "gleefully" jumped on the bandwagon. Hey, here's the deal - Jennifer said elitism and racism - we do have both in our District. She didn't say everyone, she didn't say any neighborhoods - why are people so identifying with it like she did? AS a mental health professional, I do find that fairly interesting! I live in the north and we have it here too. Several years back, WVHS parnts were some of the WORST bashers - and spread the most inane stupid crap. Those people were elitist and racist. The funny part is those who really do fit that label probably don't get it ! :-) ANd the sad part is that I have heard Jennifer time and time again say this is a small minority of people - this is not representative of any subdivision. I have heard her stick up for Tall Grass and White Eagle every time it has come up. But guess what? That doesn't sell papers and no one gives credit for that. Tonight I was a butt - just cuz I am frustrated and want this to be over. I got caught up in the silly emotion of it. And I go on blogs to get that stuff out. It's out. I honestly like everyone and understand everyone's point of view. I enjoyed HazMat man - come on, he was darn funny. And yell out guy at the end of last week's meeting - gave us all something to talk about. These meetings could get really downright dull without some good entertainment! I don't care where they build a school, it's just time for the ugly to end and for us to be out drinking together and laughing. Good nite! |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 14, 2008 7:15:51 GMT -6
I received 3 phone calls this morning from neighbors asking if I'd read the paper and "how dare those people" say those awful things about others in the district. I calmly explained how Bruce Glawe got the ball rolling and Metzger and Daeschner "gleefully" jumped on the bandwagon. Hey, here's the deal - Jennifer said elitism and racism - we do have both in our District. She didn't say everyone, she didn't say any neighborhoods - why are people so identifying with it like she did? AS a mental health professional, I do find that fairly interesting! I live in the north and we have it here too. Several years back, WVHS parnts were some of the WORST bashers - and spread the most inane stupid crap. Those people were elitist and racist. The funny part is those who really do fit that label probably don't get it ! :-) ANd the sad part is that I have heard Jennifer time and time again say this is a small minority of people - this is not representative of any subdivision. I have heard her stick up for Tall Grass and White Eagle every time it has come up. But guess what? That doesn't sell papers and no one gives credit for that. Tonight I was a butt - just cuz I am frustrated and want this to be over. I got caught up in the silly emotion of it. And I go on blogs to get that stuff out. It's out. I honestly like everyone and understand everyone's point of view. I enjoyed HazMat man - come on, he was darn funny. And yell out guy at the end of last week's meeting - gave us all something to talk about. These meetings could get really downright dull without some good entertainment! I don't care where they build a school, it's just time for the ugly to end and for us to be out drinking together and laughing. Good nite! Rural, Please read above comment. This is what I'm referring to. I saw these people at meetings screaming that they wouldn't build another Taj Mahal. They wouldn't build another school for the south, so on and so on. And let's be honest, there were groups working very hard to leave WVHS for the new school. We didn't see that from the people coming out of NVHS. They wanted to stay. So these things are facts. Is it everyone? No. But neither is everyone "south of 75th" a racist elitist. But comments like that have been thrown around since the site was selected. Like I said yesterday, play 1 of the playbook. |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 14, 2008 7:24:04 GMT -6
Just curious if you were possibly misquoted twice - here is a quote from the Herald's article yesterday: Jennifer Streder, of Napervile's Brookdale neighborhood, said Friday she hopes the district finds a way to build along Eola. "People are appalled, shocked and hurt that elitism wins in this case," she said. "And that's what they are, a small group of parents who believe they got a deed to a seat in a school, sitting next to whoever they want, when they bought their ritzy homes. "Well they've woken and disgusted a silent majority here and we're tired of their unacceptance of certain aspects of our community and Waubonsie Valley High School." Unfortunately, they are not a small group of parents. There are many who are very upset. The herald didn't say racist - I did say there seems to be sense of elitism from a small group of people. Not the entire NSFOC. I never said all of TG or WE and was very specific to them about how I think the labeling of entire neighborhoods is not acceptable. I am sorry if people are upset - I never labeled a whole neighborhood. I am entitled to support a 3rd school and be okay with a location just as you are entitled to not like a location. I am also entitled to believe that not everyones motivations for fighting this locaton is really about the environment. I simply believe this because many of these people fought against quick take for the macom site. The Macom site mirrors many of the same issues as Eola - we just swap underground gas lines for a plant right next door that houses explosive gases above ground. For the new people to the movement - are they all about environmental I believe so and that is their right and even though I may not totally agree with the argument and certainly not with suing ourselves - It is their right. This is the problem when you have people fighting that have different reasons they are fighting like Doctor Who mentioned. People in the district are lumping all the different motives into one group because they have joined their issues together by default to fight this other fight on environment. I know many don't like it but that one little ugly part is getting grouped in with the rest of the issues and for many is still very fresh in our minds from 2006. Remember Macoms big bash on Waubonsie - there were people who then supported his site after what he said - that was a slap in many WVHS peoples faces. NSFOC enlisted Linda Holmes help and she was the one fighting to move Ashwood out of Waubonsie or she wouldn't support quick take. One of her campaign sponsors is Macom. This association they have made with her has opened an old wound very wide and unfortunately attached itself to NSFOC. Hillmom, what you really need to do (and maybe you have already put this into works), is to publically apologize to the residents of WE and TG. I would like to point out that repeatedly saying there are racists and elitists in our neighborhoods is labeling. Even if you qualify it later and say, well, it's only a few. I'd like to know if you truly have knowledge of such? Do you know anyone in WE or TG? Did this just become some "catch-phrase" that the ditrict and SB cooked up and you followed along? In reading your posts I note that you are explaining Brookdale's behavior and vote. But have you given that same courtesy to other areas? Have you stopped to consider that there were legitimate reasons for us to be upset at various points in the process over the last 2 years? Or was it just easier to call us elitists and racists than to put yourself in our shoes? |
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Post by JB on Apr 14, 2008 7:39:20 GMT -6
Hillmom, what you really need to do (and maybe you have already put this into works), is to publically apologize to the residents of WE and TG. I would like to point out that repeatedly saying there are racists and elitists in our neighborhoods is labeling. Even if you qualify it later and say, well, it's only a few. I'd like to know if you truly have knowledge of such? Do you know anyone in WE or TG? Did this just become some "catch-phrase" that the ditrict and SB cooked up and you followed along? In reading your posts I note that you are explaining Brookdale's behavior and vote. But have you given that same courtesy to other areas? Have you stopped to consider that there were legitimate reasons for us to be upset at various points in the process over the last 2 years? Or was it just easier to call us elitists and racists than to put yourself in our shoes? Snerdley, regarding the extension of courtesy, very well put! Lets extend that courtesy to each and every one of our areas. Lets move beyond labeling. If we can do this simple thing, we'll all be much better off. |
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Post by sam2 on Apr 14, 2008 9:44:19 GMT -6
While I defend everyone's right to have and voice an opinion, I'd ask that everyone keep in mind that those who speak for areas don't always know the area they claim to represent. I live in Brookdale, and I can tell you that Jennifer has no idea of my opinions or those of some of my neighbors. (Nor do I know the opinions of very many members of the neighborhood.) In my experience, people tend to think that the opinions voiced in their social circles are representative of the larger neighborhood. It isn't always the case. There is no way that Jennifer could know my feelings on these issues. I wouldn't engage in a debate with Jennifer about the school issue because, in the end, neither of us would change an opinion, but there likely would be hard feelings as a result. Jeannette Clark and Curt Bradshaw are subject to the same limitations. They may know how some people ( perhaps even many peple) in the neighborhood feel, but they have no reliable way of gaging the opinion of the neighborhood at large.
It is unfair to the rest of us to be categorized based upon the comments of one individual.
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Post by snerdley on Apr 14, 2008 9:48:38 GMT -6
While I defend everyone's right to have and voice an opinion, I'd ask that everyone keep in mind that those who speak for areas don't always know the area they claim to represent. I live in Brookdale, and I can tell you that Jennifer has no idea of my opinions or those of some of my neighbors. (Nor do I know the opinions of very many members of the neighborhood.) In my experience, people tend to think that the opinions voiced in their social circles are representative of the larger neighborhood. It isn't always the case. There is no way that Jennifer could know my feelings on these issues. I wouldn't engage in a debate with Jennifer about the school issue because, in the end, neither of us would change an opinion, but there likely would be hard feelings as a result. Jeannette Clark and Curt Bradshaw are subject to the same limitations. They may know how some people ( perhaps even many peple) in the neighborhood feel, but they have no reliable way of gaging the opinion of the neighborhood at large. It is unfair to the rest of us to be categorized based upon the comments of one individual. I agree - and this applies allover the district. What 1 or 2 people do or say doesn't represent the whole. And Jennifer has no idea what I think or I suspect what most of my neighbors think. I think she's actually a bit of a victim. MM, BG and Daschner orchestrated this war. |
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Post by rural on Apr 14, 2008 10:06:39 GMT -6
While I defend everyone's right to have and voice an opinion, I'd ask that everyone keep in mind that those who speak for areas don't always know the area they claim to represent. I live in Brookdale, and I can tell you that Jennifer has no idea of my opinions or those of some of my neighbors. (Nor do I know the opinions of very many members of the neighborhood.) In my experience, people tend to think that the opinions voiced in their social circles are representative of the larger neighborhood. It isn't always the case. There is no way that Jennifer could know my feelings on these issues. I wouldn't engage in a debate with Jennifer about the school issue because, in the end, neither of us would change an opinion, but there likely would be hard feelings as a result. Jeannette Clark and Curt Bradshaw are subject to the same limitations. They may know how some people ( perhaps even many peple) in the neighborhood feel, but they have no reliable way of gaging the opinion of the neighborhood at large. It is unfair to the rest of us to be categorized based upon the comments of one individual. I agree - and this applies allover the district. What 1 or 2 people do or say doesn't represent the whole. And Jennifer has no idea what I think or I suspect what most of my neighbors think. I think she's actually a bit of a victim. MM, BG and Daschner orchestrated this war. Nice to see you coming around, Snerdley. |
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Post by concerned2 on Apr 14, 2008 10:10:02 GMT -6
While I defend everyone's right to have and voice an opinion, I'd ask that everyone keep in mind that those who speak for areas don't always know the area they claim to represent. I live in Brookdale, and I can tell you that Jennifer has no idea of my opinions or those of some of my neighbors. (Nor do I know the opinions of very many members of the neighborhood.) In my experience, people tend to think that the opinions voiced in their social circles are representative of the larger neighborhood. It isn't always the case. There is no way that Jennifer could know my feelings on these issues. I wouldn't engage in a debate with Jennifer about the school issue because, in the end, neither of us would change an opinion, but there likely would be hard feelings as a result. Jeannette Clark and Curt Bradshaw are subject to the same limitations. They may know how some people ( perhaps even many peple) in the neighborhood feel, but they have no reliable way of gaging the opinion of the neighborhood at large. It is unfair to the rest of us to be categorized based upon the comments of one individual. I agree - and this applies allover the district. What 1 or 2 people do or say doesn't represent the whole. And Jennifer has no idea what I think or I suspect what most of my neighbors think. I think she's actually a bit of a victim. MM, BG and Daschner orchestrated this war. I agree with these posts. TG/WE have been victims of this for some time and I believe we are dealing with it the best we can, but Sunday's article tipped many over the edge. Many do not understand that TG is a very diverse neighborhood. I too believe this was orchestrated by our SB and I believe many have caught on to their game plan and it is not working. Tonight should be very interesting. |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 14, 2008 11:49:27 GMT -6
I agree - and this applies allover the district. What 1 or 2 people do or say doesn't represent the whole. And Jennifer has no idea what I think or I suspect what most of my neighbors think. I think she's actually a bit of a victim. MM, BG and Daschner orchestrated this war. Nice to see you coming around, Snerdley. The funny thing is Rural, I haven't noticed you "having our back" so to speak. I must have missed it. |
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Post by steckdad on Apr 14, 2008 19:40:15 GMT -6
Is that supposed to be some kind of defense for making a comment like that? He get alot of e-mails from upset residents, and an appropriate reaction for the newly appointed president is to accuse certain residents being elitists during a public meeting? Seriously? That's the leadership standard we're shooting for? I don't care what people in this district sent to the SB - there is simply no defense for responding in the way they did. I am sure they're only human (allegedly) but they have a responsibility to rise above the fray not join it. Or actually listen and try to solve it in partnership w/ the people who are upset. That would have been a nice option to consider. "I agree with much of what you said, but I wanted to point out that the "elitist" label came from Dr. Daschner at the start of the boundary meeting. He said this prior to any public comment."Snerdley........the board had been reading emails from the public for a whole week!!!! I thought I heard there was over 1000 emails sent to the board. based on potluck and other boards I can see where his comment came from..... fence...not a defense, but an understanding. put yourself in their shoes. I don't think his comment was appropriate but I do know our leaders don't mince their words either....these are people like you and me, not government officials........ also snerdley said there was no public comment prior to that meeting which was false.... |
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