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Post by Arch on Jul 2, 2008 21:30:32 GMT -6
I still always wonder if the albatross comment was about not being able to close it (wv) down the road.
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Post by steckdad on Jul 3, 2008 21:42:27 GMT -6
the economy is all the more reason to stay put IMO. folks thinking about private school will possibly bite the bullet and stick with 204, because at least their kids can take the bus rather than driving them everyday. I would think most of the ARM victims have moved or downgraded all ready. just a thought. Sorry, not me, and not others I know. Also very good chance by next year there will be bus service to 204 ( already exists to 203 ) . Surveys being done to see where kids are coming from, and I hear application wise big jump from 204. Nearly 2 hours a day on the bus for the kids in my part of Watts and all the trips I would have to make back and forth more than eat up the 50% shorter ( distance - more than that time wise) drive to Benet. Add to that all the other issues and really driving not a concern. Also note that you get reimbursed by the state for the driving - at .425 , 4 trips per day ( up and back and up and back) - which takes a sting out of the tuition. Also know more people so frustrated they are moving kids to All Saints - so I think it just depends on what area one lives in. I know people in TG sending kids to Joliet Catholic also. I can't blame you for looking at other options. On the private school front, we don't really know how many kids leave the SD for various reasons year to year vs. this year. I am sure you know lots of people and can speculate, but that's all it is.... |
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Post by doctorwho on Jul 4, 2008 10:54:09 GMT -6
Sorry, not me, and not others I know. Also very good chance by next year there will be bus service to 204 ( already exists to 203 ) . Surveys being done to see where kids are coming from, and I hear application wise big jump from 204. Nearly 2 hours a day on the bus for the kids in my part of Watts and all the trips I would have to make back and forth more than eat up the 50% shorter ( distance - more than that time wise) drive to Benet. Add to that all the other issues and really driving not a concern. Also note that you get reimbursed by the state for the driving - at .425 , 4 trips per day ( up and back and up and back) - which takes a sting out of the tuition. Also know more people so frustrated they are moving kids to All Saints - so I think it just depends on what area one lives in. I know people in TG sending kids to Joliet Catholic also. I can't blame you for looking at other options. On the private school front, we don't really know how many kids leave the SD for various reasons year to year vs. this year. I am sure you know lots of people and can speculate, but that's all it is.... It's true I don't have a survey, but I can use my almost 20 years here to tell you I know 5 - 10 times the people taking that option now than 10 years ago,when it was very, very rare. Also I can tell you the applications at schools like Benet and St Francis have gone up exponentially in the last 2 years. That tells me something. And All Saints K-8 didn't fill up over night because there is no demand for the product. |
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Post by Arch on Jul 4, 2008 11:01:16 GMT -6
I can't blame you for looking at other options. On the private school front, we don't really know how many kids leave the SD for various reasons year to year vs. this year. I am sure you know lots of people and can speculate, but that's all it is.... It's true I don't have a survey, but I can use my almost 20 years here to tell you I know 5 - 10 times the people taking that option now than 10 years ago,when it was very, very rare. Also I can tell you the applications at schools like Benet and St Francis have gone up exponentially in the last 2 years. That tells me something. And All Saints K-8 didn't fill up over night because there is no demand for the product. Those are all the new people flocking to the area for all the new jobs and causing the buildout to continue at the unprecedented rates. They'll be hitting the public schools in no time. We better start looking for land for MS#8 and HS#4. |
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Post by slp on Jul 15, 2008 12:10:36 GMT -6
My son has been attending the WVHS Jr. football camp this week (and is having a great experience ) and I was talking with the Moms of a couple of his friends who live in Stonebridge who we know through Patriots football. They will have older kids at WVHS and younger ones at MVHS at the same time and expressed concern over how they will handle that , both from a logistics and emotional standpoint. I know I have heard this same concern from NVHS parents as well who will have kids at both NV and WV at the same time....
The question came up ....now that enrollment numbers are not what was originally expected , is there a way to allow exceptions for families who would have 2 or more children at two different high schools to keep their kids at one school?
I think it would be a great move on the part of the district to assist families who fall into this scenario IF THE NUMBERS WOULD WORK OUT.
FWIW, I am personally not affected by this as my oldest is going into 8th grade, but I do think it would help out alot of families at both WVHS and NVHS who don't want to have kids at two different high schools.
Interested in hearing what anyone has to say about this idea. I think it would be a great PR move on the part of the school board to assist with the transition in such a way.
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Post by refbasics on Jul 15, 2008 13:29:51 GMT -6
My son has been attending the WVHS Jr. football camp this week (and is having a great experience ) and I was talking with the Moms of a couple of his friends who live in Stonebridge who we know through Patriots football. They will have older kids at WVHS and younger ones at MVHS at the same time and expressed concern over how they will handle that , both from a logistics and emotional standpoint. I know I have heard this same concern from NVHS parents as well who will have kids at both NV and WV at the same time....The question came up ....now that enrollment numbers are not what was originally expected , is there a way to allow exceptions for families who would have 2 or more children at two different high schools to keep their kids at one school? I think it would be a great move on the part of the district to assist families who fall into this scenario IF THE NUMBERS WOULD WORK OUT. FWIW, I am personally not affected by this as my oldest is going into 8th grade, but I do think it would help out alot of families at both WVHS and NVHS who don't want to have kids at two different high schools. Interested in hearing what anyone has to say about this idea. I think it would be a great PR move on the part of the school board to assist with the transition in such a way. ------------------ you must have missed kathy birkett being asked this question at scullen MS in 2006 (pre ref vote).. she said 'NO".. it will all work out, and there will be no problems... as far as she could see!  |
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Post by rew on Jul 15, 2008 14:26:12 GMT -6
If the numbers work out would be the only caveat. I agree that it would be a good PR move for the district, even families who don't exercise the option would feel at least the district gave them the choice to decide what works best for their situation.
There are about 260 kids/per class moving from NVHS to WVHS and out of that, if 25% had sibliings currently at NVHS, that's only 65 kids and then of the ones to actually take the option , even if that were 50% it is only an additional 32 kids or so per class.
The MVHS/WVHS transition is 600 kids per class and if 150 (25%) have siblings at WVHS and 75 of them (50%) take the option to remain, that's 75 kids or so per class.
It seems doable to me.
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Post by Arch on Jul 15, 2008 14:35:04 GMT -6
I'd sign up in a heartbeat.
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Post by doctorwho on Jul 15, 2008 14:55:28 GMT -6
My son has been attending the WVHS Jr. football camp this week (and is having a great experience ) and I was talking with the Moms of a couple of his friends who live in Stonebridge who we know through Patriots football. They will have older kids at WVHS and younger ones at MVHS at the same time and expressed concern over how they will handle that , both from a logistics and emotional standpoint. I know I have heard this same concern from NVHS parents as well who will have kids at both NV and WV at the same time.... The question came up ....now that enrollment numbers are not what was originally expected , is there a way to allow exceptions for families who would have 2 or more children at two different high schools to keep their kids at one school? I think it would be a great move on the part of the district to assist families who fall into this scenario IF THE NUMBERS WOULD WORK OUT. FWIW, I am personally not affected by this as my oldest is going into 8th grade, but I do think it would help out alot of families at both WVHS and NVHS who don't want to have kids at two different high schools. Interested in hearing what anyone has to say about this idea. I think it would be a great PR move on the part of the school board to assist with the transition in such a way. I would support it even though it would not have affected me even if I would have stayed as my daughters sibling is long since out. as would allowing any families who have children who plays sports that will not be offered at MV in fall 2009. There will be NO varsity sports although there will be more than a few varsity level players who will be forced to sit out. There will be no gym and no fields in the Fall - hence no boys soccer / girls volleyball / boys basketball /football/ girls tennis etc-- same goes for any special program not offered Fall 2009. Allow them to also stay where they can actually get this experience but the party line has been - there will be NO exceptions- period. I'd like to see what happens if one of the teams wins a state title this year with freshman stars who will have to move to MV in 2009 -like WVHS girls soccer did 2 years ago. Then tell them they can't play as sophomores -- will make for great press. Any time you have absolutes when it comes to exceptions and doing what is right for all students - nothing good can come of it. IMHO |
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Post by Arch on Jul 15, 2008 14:57:06 GMT -6
Forcing them to have an unequal experience.
Grounds for another lawsuit?
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Post by casey on Jul 15, 2008 15:39:25 GMT -6
If the numbers work out would be the only caveat. I agree that it would be a good PR move for the district, even families who don't exercise the option would feel at least the district gave them the choice to decide what works best for their situation. There are about 260 kids/per class moving from NVHS to WVHS and out of that, if 25% had sibliings currently at NVHS, that's only 65 kids and then of the ones to actually take the option , even if that were 50% it is only an additional 32 kids or so per class. The MVHS/WVHS transition is 600 kids per class and if 150 (25%) have siblings at WVHS and 75 of them (50%) take the option to remain, that's 75 kids or so per class. It seems doable to me. Sign me up! Unfortunately for my family we're in that 75 kid group - kids at different high schools. I will have one child at NV (class of 11) and one at WV (class of 12). I haven't been very vocal in the past about my stance but I just think that it is flat-out too much to expect a parent to deal with 2 schools, 2 kids, and deal with that for 2 years! Just think about it, I would have 2 years of following 2 kids in the same sport at different HSs (imagine trying to work that out!). They both participate in a fall sport and both play lacrosse so I would have to deal with the massive headache for 2 years during both the fall and spring seasons. Anyone that has kids partipating in sports or clubs at the high school already knows how time-consuming the schedule is for the kid. As a parent it is difficult to make the games/meets but it would be next-to-impossible to manage that for 2 kids at 2 high schools. I personally think that it's a lot to ask of any family. My situation stinks but I do feel especially bad for anyone in the same situation but having to deal with the WV/MV switch. That's even worse. I find it hard to believe that anyone thinks that these kids should just be forced to deal with no varsity sports their sophomore year (that's along the mentality of just "sit down and shut up!"). It's just grossly unfair to the kid. I do not think our SB should use a blanket "no exceptions granted" policy. There should/could be exceptions that should be granted. Realistically, how many families would be in my same situation? FWIW, my freshman kid no matter what will not be a winner (even if an exception could be granted). She has many friends from all over the area here and she will be forced to leave some behind no matter what happens. How I wish I wasn't caught up in this situation! I feel sorry for those of us that have kids the class of 2012. They're getting the ultimate screw! |
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Post by doctorwho on Jul 15, 2008 17:00:59 GMT -6
If the numbers work out would be the only caveat. I agree that it would be a good PR move for the district, even families who don't exercise the option would feel at least the district gave them the choice to decide what works best for their situation. There are about 260 kids/per class moving from NVHS to WVHS and out of that, if 25% had sibliings currently at NVHS, that's only 65 kids and then of the ones to actually take the option , even if that were 50% it is only an additional 32 kids or so per class. The MVHS/WVHS transition is 600 kids per class and if 150 (25%) have siblings at WVHS and 75 of them (50%) take the option to remain, that's 75 kids or so per class. It seems doable to me. Sign me up! Unfortunately for my family we're in that 75 kid group - kids at different high schools. I will have one child at NV (class of 11) and one at WV (class of 12). I haven't been very vocal in the past about my stance but I just think that it is flat-out too much to expect a parent to deal with 2 schools, 2 kids, and deal with that for 2 years! Just think about it, I would have 2 years of following 2 kids in the same sport at different HSs (imagine trying to work that out!). They both participate in a fall sport and both play lacrosse so I would have to deal with the massive headache for 2 years during both the fall and spring seasons. Anyone that has kids partipating in sports or clubs at the high school already knows how time-consuming the schedule is for the kid. As a parent it is difficult to make the games/meets but it would be next-to-impossible to manage that for 2 kids at 2 high schools. I personally think that it's a lot to ask of any family. My situation stinks but I do feel especially bad for anyone in the same situation but having to deal with the WV/MV switch. That's even worse. I find it hard to believe that anyone thinks that these kids should just be forced to deal with no varsity sports their sophomore year (that's along the mentality of just "sit down and shut up!"). It's just grossly unfair to the kid. I do not think our SB should use a blanket "no exceptions granted" policy. There should/could be exceptions that should be granted. Realistically, how many families would be in my same situation? FWIW, my freshman kid no matter what will not be a winner (even if an exception could be granted). She has many friends from all over the area here and she will be forced to leave some behind no matter what happens. How I wish I wasn't caught up in this situation! I feel sorry for those of us that have kids the class of 2012. They're getting the ultimate screw! You do know there is no lacrosse team @ Waubonsie right ? I know someone here in Watts that has been working for awhile to try and bring it there,but of course now her kids get to go to MV- no lacrosse and no hockey ( what her kid plays ) - she is just thrilled to say the least. also casey to make sure we send the right message - there are NO varsity sports 2009 - that is a correct statement. However also be aware - those playing fall team sports as of the plans now have no placeto play period - at any level. Remember no gym and no fields when opening. Make sure people understand the entire picture. At least when Neuqua opened it had all the facilities they needed on opening day. Adding a second gym etc. didn't hinder kids from taking PE and playing sports. Is it possible they will have a field house on opening - hope for good weather. And I am in full agreement with you,for parents such as yourself with kids in 2 high schools both active in sports - you will have to pick and choose who you see when. When NV is at Central and WV is at DeKalb - goodluck with that - I do feel for you. But of course none of this affects the kids or the parents, just ask those unaffected or who have what they want. |
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Post by casey on Jul 15, 2008 17:28:00 GMT -6
also casey to make sure we send the right message - there are NO varsity sports 2009 - that is a correct statement. However also be aware - those playing fall team sports as of the plans now have no placeto play period - at any level. Remember no gym and no fields when opening. Make sure people understand the entire picture. At least when Neuqua opened it had all the facilities they needed on opening day. Adding a second gym etc. didn't hinder kids from taking PE and playing sports. Is it possible they will have a field house on opening - hope for good weather. But that's what makes me so angry! We're spending top-dollar for an expedited building schedule but yet we run a serious gamble as to whether an 09 start date is even close to possible? Personally, I find it insane that we are spending top-dollar to POSSIBLY ensure an 09 start date (minus all the extras like gyms and fields?). This is the best we can do for $150M  ? Pathetic. I know I'm just worrying needlessly - time to sit down and shut up, right?. Help us all  . |
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Post by d204mom on Jul 16, 2008 19:29:51 GMT -6
You do know there is no lacrosse team @ Waubonsie right ? I would think that New Waubonsie will get a lacross team well before Old Waubonsie |
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Post by gatordog on Jul 17, 2008 10:51:20 GMT -6
The question came up ....now that enrollment numbers are not what was originally expected , is there a way to allow exceptions for families who would have 2 or more children at two different high schools to keep their kids at one school? slp, one issue/problem is IHSA eligibility rules. Even if 204 SB says "Ok siblings can attend a school outside of their attendance area," IHSA rules may prevent them from playing sports. Before people say "sign me up", they would have to fully understand consequences. This would be especially good to check on since this is being discussed in the context of athletics. |
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