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Post by Arch on Sept 23, 2008 11:34:51 GMT -6
Such a Deal!  |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 23, 2008 11:38:19 GMT -6
Now, instead of High Voltage Power Lines, we have High Pressure Natural Gas pipelines running Directly Through the site... Brilliant. As for running out of money at BB, what was the construction cost again if we started in October of 2007; 1 week after the trial... ? They could have always done what they are doing now and use some of the money they had been sitting on to pay to complete it.. or take that small amount to another vote of a much much happier electorate... back to the electorate, what a concept...instead we got an updated version of this  |
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Post by researching on Sept 23, 2008 11:47:46 GMT -6
Absolutely. Except Metea's trophy case. If those athletes were sent to Metea as Freshmen or Sophomores next year, they wouldn't even get the opportunity. And anyone that mentions that FACT is just a bitter whiner right? Of course, in the face of the pipeline risk, I guess that isn't really that big of an issue. Oh, and the rr tracks. Oh, and the powerlines... I am going to ask a volitile question. Why aren't the Metea families (excluding Arch & Doc), with kids moving from WV to MV next year, screaming about this? It is so odd to me that, with so many negatives relating to MV, these families are silently thrilled just to get a new school. Is it just the one's that post on here and that other place don't have older kids who will be affected? If so, everyone will be taking the same environmental risk. I don't get it. It's not that volatile because so many people are in denial, or just don't understand the repercussions. Head in the sand. I spent a lot of time with different WV parents at the VB tournament this past weekend- and none of them are enamored with the shiny new school - however they feel as if they're powerless to do anything about it. The SB has been placed on a pedestal as opposed to being a voice of the people. It's very frightening actually. And I would say most , if not all of them do not understand the safety risks at all - nor do they seem to want to invest the time to find out. It's like if you pretend it's not there- somehow it's not. They do not like the lot we drew but feel like they can't change anything - and if they complain might be pegged as troublemakers. I wish I could explain this with a better answer - but it is what I have found. now some -mostly location wise close to MV who will accept anything. They feelas if they have not only won the lottery, but stuck it to others whom they have had a chip on their shoulder for for 10+ years. They got their Neuqua and nothing else matters. I don't udnerstand it atall. Some have no kids involved any more - or their kids are going to WVHS, but they feel they can still tell the rest of us what a great deal our kids got. I don't understand the concept of putting one's child at risk for some class warefare or lesser value. That does not describe everyone there - this is not a generic statement, but it surely represents some of the most vocal and most involved. They are tied so tightly now to the same powers that be that they wanted removed not so very long ago-and voted heavily against. The whole thing makes my head spin quite frankly. I have seen people who lobbied so hard against MACOM because of a power station - and I agreed with that ( this includes CB ) - then turn around and accept this location and tout it- and tried to put it on MW Gen first. The question has to be why ? Why is it now acceptable ? It was not acceptable to open BB if not complete and the same people are willing to open anything now Fall 09 . Why ? That's why the comment on the UEC put me over the edge. That is makes sense to align the conference geographically to save painful commutes and gas - yet we put a school where 1/2 the attendees have crappy commutes 176 times a year minimum for 4 years- and that is OK. Shut up and sit down. This hypocritical nonsense defies logic. I wish I had better answers for you researching - but they appear not to exist.  What a sad statement of truth. When I saw the crater in Appomattox VA my stomach instantly became ill. It is inconceivable that anyone who will actually have a child attending MV could feel better about it than I. Back on topic  ... IMO there is nothing that will ease the transition when our Administration / SB wants to have NOTHING to do with the worried students and parents. They only want to hear the party line and nothing else. They have their standard nonsensical replies (if they reply at all) and they run around and around never fully answering the concerns. Too transparent for me. About as transparent as a crater in the ground. |
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Post by researching on Sept 23, 2008 11:57:52 GMT -6
Now, instead of High Voltage Power Lines, we have High Pressure Natural Gas pipelines running Directly Through the site... Brilliant. As for running out of money at BB, what was the construction cost again if we started in October of 2007; 1 week after the trial... ? They could have always done what they are doing now and use some of the money they had been sitting on to pay to complete it.. or take that small amount to another vote of a much much happier electorate... I will remember this when the FINAL numbers for MV come in. Let's make bets as to how much OVER the referendum amount they go. Unfortunately I have been in the "I told you so" position in this district far too many times and it is not satisfying in the least. I wonder if the overages for expediting MV will be more than the bonus Daeschner likely gets for opening the school on time? Daeschner is the real benefactor here. He's already drawing 2 pensions. Now he's going to draw a 3rd from us and probably a hefty bonus for opening MV on time. Safety and logic be damned. But this is what's best for the kids right?  |
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Post by Arch on Sept 23, 2008 12:02:29 GMT -6
What a sad statement of truth. When I saw the crater in Appomattox VA my stomach instantly became ill. It is inconceivable that anyone who will actually have a child attending MV could feel better about it than I. Back on topic ... IMO there is nothing that will ease the transition when our Administration / SB wants to have NOTHING to do with the worried students and parents. They only want to hear the party line and nothing else. They have their standard nonsensical replies (if they reply at all) and they run around and around never fully answering the concerns. Too transparent for me. About as transparent as a crater in the ground. Yes, it appears the bottom->up approach is not going to work. |
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Post by gatordog on Sept 23, 2008 12:13:40 GMT -6
I actually had a comment about the transition. The critical and challenging one, I believe, is the move of many current 9th graders from NV Gold. One important thing to realize is that at the current WV Gold campus, only ~ 1/3 of those students will be staying at WV. They will be losing about 2/3 of their friends/classmates/team-mates/partners/etc who shift to MV. That is a lot of "holes" to be filled. (I know this aint new news....many of you know this of course. But I think it bears repeating.) I am optimistic that the dynamics will be good, in that there will be a lot of opportunities to form new relationships. Its not like the vast majority of the class will be "oldtimers" and its only a fraction of "newcomers". Actually, it will be pretty much a 50/50 split. And I think that is a very good thing. So.... I think a big part of improving the transition, will be not just school spirit, but WV Class of 2012 spirit. I truly believe it will be a special class (I have a child who will be contributing to that  Maybe some readers (especially parents with 9th graders) will find actually find this post interesting.., even though they have to wade through some silly pictures and topics that were much discussed a year ago.  I dont know about some of you.....but I think we have schools and a SD to improve (with our children as beneficiaries). Just trying to play a part with that. |
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Post by Arch on Sept 23, 2008 12:20:41 GMT -6
The 'improvement' is that there's a lot of people leaving WV?
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 23, 2008 12:21:00 GMT -6
I actually had a comment about the transition. The critical and challenging one, I believe, is the move of many current 9th graders from NV Gold. One important thing to realize is that at the current WV Gold campus, only ~ 1/3 of those students will be staying at WV. They will be losing about 2/3 of their friends/classmates/team-mates/partners/etc who shift to MV. That is a lot of "holes" to be filled. (I know this aint new news....many of you know this of course. But I think it bears repeating.) I am optimistic that the dynamics will be good, in that there will be a lot of opportunities to form new relationships. Its not like the vast majority of the class will be "oldtimers" and its only a fraction of "newcomers". Actually, it will be pretty much a 50/50 split. And I think that is a very good thing. So.... I think a big part of improving the transition, will be not just school spirit, but WV Class of 2012 spirit. I truly believe it will be a special class (I have a child who will be contributing to that Maybe some readers (especially parents with 9th graders) will find actually find this post interesting.., even though they have to wade through some silly pictures and topics that were much discussed a year ago. I dont know about some of you.....but I think we have schools and a SD to improve (with our children as beneficiaries). Just trying to play a part with that. I am sure they will , but there is room for varying opinions - not everyone had their wishes granted as you did...but some seem to forget that, or that there is still time to try and make a bad situation potentially less punishing for some, and THAT also would contibute to improving things in the district as well. Ignoring that does nothing to move forward. funny how some can get behind an UEC movement to be more geographically aligned and save painful commutes - but not behind the same thing in 204 But it's good to actually hear all sides of a discussion.... |
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Post by researching on Sept 23, 2008 12:33:18 GMT -6
I actually had a comment about the transition. The critical and challenging one, I believe, is the move of many current 9th graders from NV Gold. One important thing to realize is that at the current WV Gold campus, only ~ 1/3 of those students will be staying at WV. They will be losing about 2/3 of their friends/classmates/team-mates/partners/etc who shift to MV. That is a lot of "holes" to be filled. (I know this aint new news....many of you know this of course. But I think it bears repeating.) I am optimistic that the dynamics will be good, in that there will be a lot of opportunities to form new relationships. Its not like the vast majority of the class will be "oldtimers" and its only a fraction of "newcomers". Actually, it will be pretty much a 50/50 split. And I think that is a very good thing. So.... I think a big part of improving the transition, will be not just school spirit, but WV Class of 2012 spirit. I truly believe it will be a special class (I have a child who will be contributing to that Maybe some readers (especially parents with 9th graders) will find actually find this post interesting.., even though they have to wade through some silly pictures and topics that were much discussed a year ago. I dont know about some of you.....but I think we have schools and a SD to improve (with our children as beneficiaries). Just trying to play a part with that. I too have a 9th grader. I know that 240 sophomore students will be moving from NV to WV. I am sure of this figure. If what you are saying is correct, the graduating class of 2012 at WV will have about 500 students? That doesn't seem right. NV will still have a 2012 graduating class of about 1100. Do you know how many sophomore students will be moving from WV to MV? BTW- trivializing people's real concerns and fears would probably not be the best way to foster a good transition. just guessing |
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Post by gatordog on Sept 23, 2008 12:54:06 GMT -6
I too have a 9th grader. I know that 240 sophomore students will be moving from NV to WV. I am sure of this figure. If what you are saying is correct, the graduating class of 2012 at WV will have about 500 students? That doesn't seem right. NV will still have a 2012 graduating class of about 1100. Do you know how many sophomore students will be moving from WV to MV? BTW- trivializing people's real concerns and fears would probably not be the best way to foster a good transition. just guessing My guesstimate was as follows: 2 MS's are leaving WV: Hill and (2/3 Granger + 1/3 Still) 1 MS is staying: (2/3 Still + 1/3 Granger) about 1 MS is coming in: 2/3 of a "big" MS-Scullen...and some smallish (perhaps negligible) number from Crone So there you go, a rough guess of "half and half". No, I didnt look at precise enrollment numbers! (in the big picture, that isnt the issue, is it?). BTW, researching, I dont think I have trivialized anybodies concerns and fears. That was not my intent, I assure you. I do think silly photos and bringing up issues long decided upon are trivializing people that want to actually discuss and learn about improving the transition. |
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Post by Arch on Sept 23, 2008 12:55:27 GMT -6
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Post by rew on Sept 23, 2008 12:58:43 GMT -6
Gatordog, with all your spreadsheets, why the guesstimate. The numbers are known.
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Post by moneypit on Sept 23, 2008 13:17:41 GMT -6
I actually had a comment about the transition. The critical and challenging one, I believe, is the move of many current 9th graders from NV Gold. One important thing to realize is that at the current WV Gold campus, only ~ 1/3 of those students will be staying at WV. They will be losing about 2/3 of their friends/classmates/team-mates/partners/etc who shift to MV. That is a lot of "holes" to be filled. (I know this aint new news....many of you know this of course. But I think it bears repeating.) I am optimistic that the dynamics will be good, in that there will be a lot of opportunities to form new relationships. Its not like the vast majority of the class will be "oldtimers" and its only a fraction of "newcomers". Actually, it will be pretty much a 50/50 split. And I think that is a very good thing. So.... I think a big part of improving the transition, will be not just school spirit, but WV Class of 2012 spirit. I truly believe it will be a special class (I have a child who will be contributing to that Maybe some readers (especially parents with 9th graders) will find actually find this post interesting.., even though they have to wade through some silly pictures and topics that were much discussed a year ago. I dont know about some of you.....but I think we have schools and a SD to improve (with our children as beneficiaries). Just trying to play a part with that. I too have a 9th grader. I know that 240 sophomore students will be moving from NV to WV. I am sure of this figure. If what you are saying is correct, the graduating class of 2012 at WV will have about 500 students? That doesn't seem right. NV will still have a 2012 graduating class of about 1100. Do you know how many sophomore students will be moving from WV to MV? BTW- trivializing people's real concerns and fears would probably not be the best way to foster a good transition. just guessing Using GDs math then, that means that WV will only have 2000 total students when the freshman campus is back as a middle school? No way. I too have a 2012 daughter at NV Gold. The better estimate is probably closer to 1/3 or 1/4 of the WV graduating class (~900). |
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Post by Arch on Sept 23, 2008 13:23:00 GMT -6
My daughter is slated to move from WV to MV, so there will be am empty chair somewhere...
It will be interesting to see if she can move on to Chinese II at MV or if it will even be offered when it opens.
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Post by rew on Sept 23, 2008 13:48:14 GMT -6
The Sophomore class for WV is slated to be approx 700. If 240 are coming from NV that would be 1/3 of the class.
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... IMO there is nothing that will ease the transition when our Administration / SB wants to have NOTHING to do with the worried students and parents. They only want to hear the party line and nothing else. They have their standard nonsensical replies (if they reply at all) and they run around and around never fully answering the concerns. Too transparent for me. About as transparent as a crater in the ground.
