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Post by gatordog on Sept 23, 2008 13:49:28 GMT -6
Gatordog, with all your spreadsheets, why the guesstimate. The numbers are known. honestly, rew....I was figuring during a lunch time walk. Also, this is way my daughter and I were framing it in a conversation we recently had. Trust me....she doesnt give a "darn" about any spreadsheets!  . Also, I think its a good way to frame it in general discussions, lest their eyes glaze over or your really want to sound like a geek.  But, rew, I will trouble myself and take another look. I calculate 37% of the class of 2012 will be newcomers. So....~40%, a sizable portion. Not too far from half and half! |
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Post by researching on Sept 23, 2008 13:58:46 GMT -6
I too have a 9th grader. I know that 240 sophomore students will be moving from NV to WV. I am sure of this figure. If what you are saying is correct, the graduating class of 2012 at WV will have about 500 students? That doesn't seem right. NV will still have a 2012 graduating class of about 1100. Do you know how many sophomore students will be moving from WV to MV? BTW- trivializing people's real concerns and fears would probably not be the best way to foster a good transition. just guessing My guesstimate was as follows: 2 MS's are leaving WV: Hill and (2/3 Granger + 1/3 Still) 1 MS is staying: (2/3 Still + 1/3 Granger) about 1 MS is coming in: 2/3 of a "big" MS-Scullen...and some smallish (perhaps negligible) number from Crone So there you go, a rough guess of "half and half". No, I didnt look at precise enrollment numbers! (in the big picture, that isnt the issue, is it?). BTW, researching, I dont think I have trivialized anybodies concerns and fears. That was not my intent, I assure you. I do think silly photos and bringing up issues long decided upon are trivializing people that want to actually discuss and learn about improving the transition. The NV numbers are confirmed at 240. Also, Scullen is split with Fry and small part of Peterson going to WV, while Welch and a large portion of Peterson going to NV. No one from Crone according to the district boundary lines. Here's the link: ipsdweb.ipsd.org/Documents/Boundaries/Boundary_Map_Packet_0910.pdfI do not like repeating myself. I would love nothing more than to forget about this 3 year long nightmare that looks to have no end. I do like to keep REAL issues on the table so that we can all make an INFORMED choice next year when voting for new SB members. IMO our district is in a dictatorship right now that makes irrational decisions based on personal bias and personal interest. If you don't know what I mean by irrational, look at the boundary link. Owen "east" is a complete island. Peterson is split at the ES level and then again at the MS level. Why wouldn't it have made sense to put Owen "east" at NV and keep EVERYONE west of Rt 59 together at WV? Why slice and dice? I am only speaking about what I know to be true in my area. Being that you seem to not be personally affected by any of this, I completely understand why this would be a tired subject. I wish I was in your position. However, we all should be concerned by the decisions of elected officials and paid administrators. Back to the topic...moral is at an all time low. Transition is hard in the best of times. I really don't know what can be done to help the class of 2012. They are the sacrificial lamb and the SB / Admin. have no problem with that. IMO there is no reason to move these kids. They should start MV with Freshmen only. (There I go repeating myself again. ) |
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Post by researching on Sept 23, 2008 14:03:53 GMT -6
The Sophomore class for WV is slated to be approx 700. If 240 are coming from NV that would be 1/3 of the class. Honest question...How do the numbers impact athletic conferences? If WV will average about 700 per class (give or take a few), MV about 500 (?? help me those who know), and NV about 1100, how could they continue (begin) to compete at the same level? |
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Post by gatordog on Sept 23, 2008 14:17:04 GMT -6
Not to mess with numbers too much...
The point I am trying to make is this: ~2/3 of current WV freshmen are leaving. This represents a big chunk to the kids who will be staying at WV. (no...they are not being replaced 1:1. that is the idea of opening the new school!)
I strongly believe this means current "oldtimer" WV students will very interested in forming new relationships with the "newcomer" students in the class room, playing fields, concert halls, etc. My hope is this will go a long way towards improving the transition.
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Post by sardines on Sept 23, 2008 14:21:55 GMT -6
The Sophomore class for WV is slated to be approx 700. If 240 are coming from NV that would be 1/3 of the class. Honest question...How do the numbers impact athletic conferences? If WV will average about 700 per class (give or take a few), MV about 500 (?? help me those who know), and NV about 1100, how could they continue (begin) to compete at the same level? Just FYI at the Metea meeting last night, it was stated that 600 current WV Freshman will transfer to MV as Sophomores next year. Currently, there are about 1100 kids total in the WV Gold Campus. That would leave approx. 500 plus the 240 coming from NV = 740 for next year's Sophomores at WV. In the past, a lot of the UEC schools have not always been that competitive against WV and NV(Elgin,S. Elgin, Lake Park, E. Aurora,etc). The sports in 204 will now definitely be "watered down" but they should still be competitive. May not always finish top three as in the past, but they should remain competitive. |
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Post by Arch on Sept 23, 2008 14:32:34 GMT -6
Not to mess with numbers too much... The point I am trying to make is this: ~2/3 of current WV freshmen are leaving. This represents a big chunk to the kids who will be staying at WV. (no...they are not being replaced 1:1. that is the idea of opening the new school!) I strongly believe this means current "oldtimer" WV students will very interested in forming new relationships with the "newcomer" students in the class room, playing fields, concert halls, etc. My hope is this will go a long way towards improving the transition. Out of curiosity, what improves the transition of the current 9th graders going to MV while it's still under construction and missing many things that were at the school they were previously attending? |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 23, 2008 14:34:27 GMT -6
I too have a 9th grader. I know that 240 sophomore students will be moving from NV to WV. I am sure of this figure. If what you are saying is correct, the graduating class of 2012 at WV will have about 500 students? That doesn't seem right. NV will still have a 2012 graduating class of about 1100. Do you know how many sophomore students will be moving from WV to MV? BTW- trivializing people's real concerns and fears would probably not be the best way to foster a good transition. just guessing My guesstimate was as follows: 2 MS's are leaving WV: Hill and (2/3 Granger + 1/3 Still) 1 MS is staying: (2/3 Still + 1/3 Granger) about 1 MS is coming in: 2/3 of a "big" MS-Scullen...and some smallish (perhaps negligible) number from Crone So there you go, a rough guess of "half and half". No, I didnt look at precise enrollment numbers! (in the big picture, that isnt the issue, is it?). BTW, researching, I dont think I have trivialized anybodies concerns and fears. That was not my intent, I assure you. I do think silly photos and bringing up issues long decided upon are trivializing people that want to actually discuss and learn about improving the transition. your opinion and you're welcome to it, just as others are welcome to theirs. Everyone's opinions are welcome  |
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Post by JB on Sept 23, 2008 14:44:12 GMT -6
Honest question...How do the numbers impact athletic conferences? If WV will average about 700 per class (give or take a few), MV about 500 (?? help me those who know), and NV about 1100, how could they continue (begin) to compete at the same level? Just FYI at the Metea meeting last night, it was stated that 600 current WV Freshman will transfer to MV as Sophomores next year. Currently, there are about 1100 kids total in the WV Gold Campus. That would leave approx. 500 plus the 240 coming from NV = 740 for next year's Sophomores at WV. In the past, a lot of the UEC schools have not always been that competitive against WV and NV(Elgin,S. Elgin, Lake Park, E. Aurora,etc). The sports in 204 will now definitely be "watered down" but they should still be competitive. May not always finish top three as in the past, but they should remain competitive. The "watering down" extends to the coaching staffs as well, and senior team members demonstrating leadership to the younger members in the case of MV. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 23, 2008 14:44:37 GMT -6
The Sophomore class for WV is slated to be approx 700. If 240 are coming from NV that would be 1/3 of the class. Honest question...How do the numbers impact athletic conferences? If WV will average about 700 per class (give or take a few), MV about 500 (?? help me those who know), and NV about 1100, how could they continue (begin) to compete at the same level? well depending on sport , the IHSA may have our schools in different classes anyway i.e. Neuqua will be 8A for football Waubonsie will be 7 A MV - when they get a team will either be 7A or 6A could be 5A in 2010. they're all large enough where the conference itself will not be affected - until playoff time in some of the sports. It also unfortunately means any ground gained on 203 in most sports - will be given back. Be glad they're in the UEC and not DVC. Again one of those main exceptions being WVHS girls soccer - but with the plan we are going forth with now - luckily that was 2 years ago or it would have been screwed up too. |
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Post by JB on Sept 23, 2008 15:09:16 GMT -6
I strongly believe this means current "oldtimer" WV students will very interested in forming new relationships with the "newcomer" students in the class room, playing fields, concert halls, etc. My hope is this will go a long way towards improving the transition. The question is, will the new 2/3 majority feel the same way? When tossed into new situations, people tend to tighten up their groups, so I wouldn't be too surprised to see it take some time for them to loose their NV identity. I'm also not sure why the "oldtimer" WV students wouldn't behave the same way, tighteing up their social circles as well. I'm sure the admin will work it out though. |
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Post by moneypit on Sept 23, 2008 15:44:09 GMT -6
Fresh off the WV - NV football rivalry this week, it was interesting to hear my daughter talking to her friends about next year. She plans to continue to be a NV fan throughout her high school education even though she is moving to WV next year. So I guess the Gold Rush and Wildcat wear purchased this fall may not be a complete waste. Granted, its still a better situation that the freshmen/sophmores heading to MV next year, but its still screwed up.
Researching, I dont mind you repeating yourself......
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Post by researching on Sept 23, 2008 16:57:13 GMT -6
Fresh off the WV - NV football rivalry this week, it was interesting to hear my daughter talking to her friends about next year. She plans to continue to be a NV fan throughout her high school education even though she is moving to WV next year. So I guess the Gold Rush and Wildcat wear purchased this fall may not be a complete waste. Granted, its still a better situation that the freshmen/sophmores heading to MV next year, but its still screwed up. Researching, I dont mind you repeating yourself...... Thanks Moneypit. I heard a similar report from my child's friends. Even though that makes me sad it might be worth it after the about $500 in required and "optional" (everyone has it) extracurricular apparel we've spent already... Does anyone think the district would reimburse the current freshman families from WV and NV for this potentially useless apparel? |
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Post by overtaxed on Sept 23, 2008 18:36:41 GMT -6
Fresh off the WV - NV football rivalry this week, it was interesting to hear my daughter talking to her friends about next year. She plans to continue to be a NV fan throughout her high school education even though she is moving to WV next year. So I guess the Gold Rush and Wildcat wear purchased this fall may not be a complete waste. Granted, its still a better situation that the freshmen/sophmores heading to MV next year, but its still screwed up. Researching, I dont mind you repeating yourself...... Thanks Moneypit. I heard a similar report from my child's friends. Even though that makes me sad it might be worth it after the about $500 in required and "optional" (everyone has it) extracurricular apparel we've spent already... Does anyone think the district would reimburse the current freshman families from WV and NV for this potentially useless apparel?Yea I think the the SD would be more than happy to reimburse you. They have shone us they they are very compassionate towards the students and families in transition. HA HA  Really, I feel sorry for the kids in transition. It would be nice of kids could stay at the high school they started at if they had their own transportation.  |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 24, 2008 0:07:30 GMT -6
Thanks Moneypit. I heard a similar report from my child's friends. Even though that makes me sad it might be worth it after the about $500 in required and "optional" (everyone has it) extracurricular apparel we've spent already... Does anyone think the district would reimburse the current freshman families from WV and NV for this potentially useless apparel?Yea I think the the SD would be more than happy to reimburse you. They have shone us they they are very compassionate towards the students and families in transition. HA HA Really, I feel sorry for the kids in transition. It would be nice of kids could stay at the high school they started at if they had their own transportation. The class of 2012 should not have to 'take one for the team' -- freshman should complete their HS experience @ the school they start at |
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Post by Arch on Sept 24, 2008 0:12:38 GMT -6
Yea I think the the SD would be more than happy to reimburse you. They have shone us they they are very compassionate towards the students and families in transition. HA HA Really, I feel sorry for the kids in transition. It would be nice of kids could stay at the high school they started at if they had their own transportation. The class of 2012 should not have to 'take one for the team' -- freshman should complete their HS experience @ the school they start at I have to wonder if some of those who already made it onto teams are not getting a full experience this year because it's known they are moving. That would be like taking one early 'for the team', in addition to what they face next year. |
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