WV Girls Soccer Wins SuperSectional!

[warriorpride]

From: www.ihsa.org/scores/7y28sog2.htm

At Lisle (Benedictine U.) SUPER-SECTIONAL

Aurora (Waubonsie Valley) 2 F-OT
St. Charles (East) 1

Over 1200 soccer fans at the Benedictine University Sports Complex saw freshman midfielder Vanessa DiBernardo score the game-winning goal in the first overtime. St. Charles had forced overtime with a goal in the last five minutes of regulation, but DiBernardo returned the favor to propel the Warriors to the State Final.


Go Warriors! They're in the final 8, playing at 6PM on Friday @ North Central. Let's pack the place with supporters!

[doctorwho]

warriorpride said:

From: www.ihsa.org/scores/7y28sog2.htm

At Lisle (Benedictine U.) SUPER-SECTIONAL

Aurora (Waubonsie Valley) 2 F-OT
St. Charles (East) 1

Over 1200 soccer fans at the Benedictine University Sports Complex saw freshman midfielder Vanessa DiBernardo score the game-winning goal in the first overtime. St. Charles had forced overtime with a goal in the last five minutes of regulation, but DiBernardo returned the favor to propel the Warriors to the State Final.


Go Warriors! They're in the final 8, playing at 6PM on Friday @ North Central. Let's pack the place with supporters!

I will continue to bring this up - ( I apologize to those who may be bugged by it ) - but another reason here to push for varsity sports Fall 2009 at MVHS - the game winning goal scored by a freshman - who would not be playing on a varsity team in Fall 2009 - or looking at going to state - if her school did not have a varsity team. ( Yes I know there are plenty of other players on the team - but remember a good number of them also fresh - sophs ) --

Go WARRIORS ! Would like to see that state title come home to WVHS and IPSD204.

[Arch]

Amazing!

Congratulations Girls!!!

[harry]

doctorwho said:

warriorpride said:

From: www.ihsa.org/scores/7y28sog2.htm

At Lisle (Benedictine U.) SUPER-SECTIONAL

Aurora (Waubonsie Valley) 2 F-OT
St. Charles (East) 1

Over 1200 soccer fans at the Benedictine University Sports Complex saw freshman midfielder Vanessa DiBernardo score the game-winning goal in the first overtime. St. Charles had forced overtime with a goal in the last five minutes of regulation, but DiBernardo returned the favor to propel the Warriors to the State Final.


Go Warriors! They're in the final 8, playing at 6PM on Friday @ North Central. Let's pack the place with supporters!

I will continue to bring this up - ( I apologize to those who may be bugged by it ) - but another reason here to push for varsity sports Fall 2009 at MVHS - the game winning goal scored by a freshman - who would not be playing on a varsity team in Fall 2009 - or looking at going to state - if her school did not have a varsity team. ( Yes I know there are plenty of other players on the team - but remember a good number of them also fresh - sophs ) --

Go WARRIORS ! Would like to see that state title come home to WVHS and IPSD204.

Hello Dr Who

I am not new to reading this board. just to posting. I disagree with Freshmen playing on Varsity teams all in the name of winning. Freshmen should play on the freshman squad or at worse on the Sophomore squad. Or else, what do they have to look forward to as upper classmen??

There is more to life than winning at all costs and one is playing with your peers regardless.

Let's try to remember that life is a marathon and not a sprint.

[warriorpride]

harry said:

doctorwho said:

I will continue to bring this up - ( I apologize to those who may be bugged by it ) - but another reason here to push for varsity sports Fall 2009 at MVHS - the game winning goal scored by a freshman - who would not be playing on a varsity team in Fall 2009 - or looking at going to state - if her school did not have a varsity team. ( Yes I know there are plenty of other players on the team - but remember a good number of them also fresh - sophs ) --

Go WARRIORS ! Would like to see that state title come home to WVHS and IPSD204.

Hello Dr Who

I am not new to reading this board. just to posting. I disagree with Freshmen playing on Varsity teams all in the name of winning. Freshmen should play on the freshman squad or at worse on the Sophomore squad. Or else, what do they have to look forward to as upper classmen??

There is more to life than winning at all costs and one is playing with your peers regardless.

Let's try to remember that life is a marathon and not a sprint.

Theoretical question: what if you had a child that, as a freshman, was clearly at least as talented as kids on the varsity team? How would you feel then? A sport that is totally dominated by an individual that is clearly better than everyone else is not enjoyable or in everyone's best interest. The best situation is when individuals and teams are of comparable ability.

Now, I know that once you get to the varsity level, all bets are off. But, there's no way that I see it making sense to hold back a freshman, if they are good enough.

[forthekids]

warriorpride said:

harry said:

Hello Dr Who

I am not new to reading this board. just to posting. I disagree with Freshmen playing on Varsity teams all in the name of winning. Freshmen should play on the freshman squad or at worse on the Sophomore squad. Or else, what do they have to look forward to as upper classmen??

There is more to life than winning at all costs and one is playing with your peers regardless.

Let's try to remember that life is a marathon and not a sprint.

Theoretical question: what if you had a child that, as a freshman, was clearly at least as talented as kids on the varsity team? How would you feel then? A sport that is totally dominated by an individual that is clearly better than everyone else is not enjoyable or in everyone's best interest. The best situation is when individuals and teams are of comparable ability.

Now, I know that once you get to the varsity level, all bets are off. But, there's no way that I see it making sense to hold back a freshman, if they are good enough.

I need to put my two cents in here as my daughter played on a very high level team before reaching high school (she got burned out and switched sports in high school). You have to look at the player and not her/his age or year. This freshman you are speaking about (whose father is now, and has been, the boys varsity coach for years and played himself at a very high level in college) has been playing her whole life! Actually, many of the girls on the WVHS girls soccer team have been playing at a high club level since they were small. It would not be fair to hold these kids back just because they are freshman. Anyone who can make a team should be allowed to play.

[doctorwho]

harry said:

doctorwho said:

I will continue to bring this up - ( I apologize to those who may be bugged by it ) - but another reason here to push for varsity sports Fall 2009 at MVHS - the game winning goal scored by a freshman - who would not be playing on a varsity team in Fall 2009 - or looking at going to state - if her school did not have a varsity team. ( Yes I know there are plenty of other players on the team - but remember a good number of them also fresh - sophs ) --

Go WARRIORS ! Would like to see that state title come home to WVHS and IPSD204.

Hello Dr Who

I am not new to reading this board. just to posting. I disagree with Freshmen playing on Varsity teams all in the name of winning. Freshmen should play on the freshman squad or at worse on the Sophomore squad. Or else, what do they have to look forward to as upper classmen??

There is more to life than winning at all costs and one is playing with your peers regardless.

Let's try to remember that life is a marathon and not a sprint.

bumper sticker quote aside - it is not ALL about winning at all costs. It is all about allowing athetes to compete for their schools at the levels that are appropriate. I have previous experience with my oldest who played 4 years of varsity and made all city/conf each year -- why should she play on the freshman or sophomore team ? So that someone else can play who has put less time nto whatever sport ? I am sorry, I respect your opoinion, but I do not buy into that philosophy.

It is not winning at all costs - that would be turning ones back on grades and behavior etc. - no one is asking for that - but a school should field he best team it can, there indeed are lessons to be taught from learning how to win, and learning how to accept defeat.

When one goes to college, do they not get to play for their school as freshman and sophomore because other kids are older ? Doesn't make sense to me there, and doesn't here. The girl here who scored the winning goal is ranked among the top 50 soccer players in the country - so she should play down a few levels in the name of --what ?

My youngest will also likely not play on a freshman or sophomore team unless forced to because a varity team does not exist. These kids who sacrifice a lot of hours - 12 -15 / week at MS age and more than that at older ages in club sports to be the best they can be - so we tell them they're not old enough to play varsity. That sends what message ?

Yes I agree playing with ones peers is important - but age does not determine your peers in sports , or business or most anything. Freshman who have been in PA or accelerated math etc. will also take more advanced classes freshman year - should they have to wait for that also ?

[doctorwho]

forthekids said:

warriorpride said:

Theoretical question: what if you had a child that, as a freshman, was clearly at least as talented as kids on the varsity team? How would you feel then? A sport that is totally dominated by an individual that is clearly better than everyone else is not enjoyable or in everyone's best interest. The best situation is when individuals and teams are of comparable ability.

Now, I know that once you get to the varsity level, all bets are off. But, there's no way that I see it making sense to hold back a freshman, if they are good enough.

I need to put my two cents in here as my daughter played on a very high level team before reaching high school (she got burned out and switched sports in high school). You have to look at the player and not her/his age or year. This freshman you are speaking about (whose father is now, and has been, the boys varsity coach for years and played himself at a very high level in college) has been playing her whole life! Actually, many of the girls on the WVHS girls soccer team have been playing at a high club level since they were small. It would not be fair to hold these kids back just because they are freshman. Anyone who can make a team should be allowed to play.

absolutely agree with you -- and those involved in these sports do understand that. As I mentioned in my last post - she is ranked among the top 50 players in the country - how does one tell her she needs to play down with less skilled players ? It makes no sense at all. She competes all year long at a very high level...and should be able to represent her school - just as she is doing now.

Club sports control the ranks of most sports rosters and most scholarship athletes - whether one agrees with that philosophy or not, it is reality. An extremely skilled 14 - 15 year old club team that is strong enough to compete for a national championship would take apart many many 'varsity' teams, and most without club players - what would these kids do to fresh - soph teams ? That is why a level 'skill' playing field is the one that in my opinion works the best for all involved.

Should Candace Parker - potentially the best female basketball player ever, have had to wait until she was a junior to play varsity? No, to me that makes no sense. Imagine what she would have done to less than varsity skilled teams - and how would those kids feel playing against her ?

[proschool]

Can't a Freshman or Sophmore just enroll at NV or WV instead of MV if varsity sports are so important?

Also when there are no seniors at MV won't the juniors get additional opportunities to participate in varsity athletic programs?

When MV opens the Upperclassmen at WV and NV may have to work harder to participate in varsity programs because those schools will be so heavily weighted with juniors and seniors.

I think that everything should even out in the end. I think that there will be plenty of opportunity for the athletes to get what they need somewhere or another.

[Arch]

I'm all for there being the vehicle for someone to play with people of their near-same skill level.

If that means a freshman who excels playing with upper classmen so that they are more evenly matched, then so be it.

[movingforward]

harry said:

doctorwho said:

I will continue to bring this up - ( I apologize to those who may be bugged by it ) - but another reason here to push for varsity sports Fall 2009 at MVHS - the game winning goal scored by a freshman - who would not be playing on a varsity team in Fall 2009 - or looking at going to state - if her school did not have a varsity team. ( Yes I know there are plenty of other players on the team - but remember a good number of them also fresh - sophs ) --

Go WARRIORS ! Would like to see that state title come home to WVHS and IPSD204.

Hello Dr Who

I am not new to reading this board. just to posting. I disagree with Freshmen playing on Varsity teams all in the name of winning. Freshmen should play on the freshman squad or at worse on the Sophomore squad. Or else, what do they have to look forward to as upper classmen??

There is more to life than winning at all costs and one is playing with your peers regardless.

Let's try to remember that life is a marathon and not a sprint.

Harry,

Has to do with matching skill level.

As a high school athlete it is also very motivational to 'make' the varsity team as a freshman or sophomore. I can recall the excitement of making the varsity volleyball team as a freshman myself. Kids work their butts off to achieve this goal. That is a great life lesson.

Once they are juniors and seniors they then perfect their skills and learn about leading teams. There are different roles at all levels.

As far as life being a marathon and not a sprint; When training for a marathon , sprint sessions are an integral part of advanced marathon training....just fyi for you!

[jenrik2714]

I think the club system is unfair. It only benefits a certain group of athletes.

Playing for the Chicago Public league growing up, our parents couldn't afford to pay for clubs. Only a select few had the opportunity. I am glad college recruiters are fessing up and looking at Chicago players.

Why should economics dictate talent?

[doctorwho]

jenrik2714 said:

I think the club system is unfair. It only benefits a certain group of athletes.

Playing for the Chicago Public league growing up, our parents couldn't afford to pay for clubs. Only a select few had the opportunity. I am glad college recruiters are fessing up and looking at Chicago players.

Why should economics dictate talent?

Remember I too went to CPS and played there and I got a scholarship. It is NOT economics dictating talent - the best athletes still get singled out - and just because you play club ball at fiurst does not make you an athlete. A lot of very good talent gets cut by 15 years old in club - there is only so much room and so many coaches.

As far as being fair - there are plenty of kids in the club systems where parents struggle to get them better training for a future potential, I get real tired of hearing how unfair it is when these kids also sacrifice - my oldest daughter never went to a single high school dance due to conflicts in scheduling -- she worked out / trained 20 hours a week while going to school ( not counting traveling a lot for matches) - and worked a part time job -- so the unfair label is a misrepresentation.

And with 2 close friends who are college/recruiters - coaches - many sports are soley recruited thru club - the colleges also need people who can step in day 1 -- you may not like it but colleges want to win with their student athletes also - it is not an all participation event.

Those non club players who are truly gifted will make their mark - as they well should - but let's not paint the club players out to only be some financially elite with no talent or skills - and get everything handed to them.

When you get to college as an athlete - you HAVE to know how to balance academics and 20 - 30 hours a week of athletics - or you flunk out. In college as a freshman, my daughter had almost 30 hours a week of team meetings / practice/ playing ( not counting traveling Thur pm thru Sunday her first 7 weekends) - and no one should have the misconception that schools cater to their athletes. Yes we see stories of those revenue producing sports - mens football and basketball where some schools abuse the poilicy - but trust me for the other 95% of athletes in college - the professors cut them NO slack

[gatormom]

jenrik2714 said:

I think the club system is unfair. It only benefits a certain group of athletes.

Playing for the Chicago Public league growing up, our parents couldn't afford to pay for clubs. Only a select few had the opportunity. I am glad college recruiters are fessing up and looking at Chicago players.

Why should economics dictate talent?

Jenrik, at some point we have to let go of the "everybody plays" that our recreational systems employ. The high school teams are built on a competitive system of selecting the best players for the team.

It is unfortunate that many cannot afford the club systems; however, I do believe that at least some sports offer scholarships. When my son was in club gymnastics, there were limited scholarships for exceptionally talented gymnasts who could not afford to pay the cost.

[doctorwho]

archwinsome said:

I'm all for there being the vehicle for someone to play with people of their near-same skill level.

If that means a freshman who excels playing with upper classmen so that they are more evenly matched, then so be it.

thank you arch - that is the nut of this discussion -- sometimes sports gets treated like some social event where everyone plays in the back yard- that is what intramurals are for.

If one is the best violin player - they get first chair , if one is the best singer - they get the solo's in chorus , if one is the best and brightest math student - they get to take the most advanced classes -- all so they get to compete and participate with those at the same talent and skill level - regardless of age - and sports should be no different.

The best singer doesn't get told, sorry you're 14 ( oh and by the way you parents paid for voice lessons - even though they may or may not have had that money - some it seems assume all club/private lesson kids are wealthy) - you have to sing with the younger kids. Not a very accurate life lesson depiction.