One parcel, two trials?

[warriorpride]

harry said:

bob said:

Well since you want to submit this maybe we can hash out some problems

Since 2005 (since the voters didn't approve the 3rd HS until 2006 we might want to change this because it looks bad that you don't know when the referendum was passed), we have

no land being built on (true,can't argue that

exactly..Can you ask the SB and new Super Why???

no 3rd HS (we wouldn't have one now if we had the land because it would be under contruction)

If construction took place when the ref passed in "2006", we would be singing the MV fight song this Fall

an empty Petersen building that holds 800 but sits relatively empty (have to change this because Peterson is being used as a school)

Used does not mean used to it's fullest potential and, in a state of SEVERE OVERCROWDING we can certainly find a way to utilize the unused space in any building

An only 300 of the 600 seats filled @ Frontier
Haven't seen this stat but how do we force kids to take college classes that don't want to take them? You should come up with a plan for this. Don't want to look like a complainer.

Who says that college students need to occupy the other 300 seats? If NV was sooooooo overcrowded, I am sure that our brilliant SB could cut a deal with the Frontier partners and let NV students NOT earning college credits in use these empty seats to take classes in.

the 2nd biggest enrollment of soon to be 2nd graders but no new space needed in our ES
(You might want to look at the net change of the class it replaced in the ES)

Please give us concrete examples, Bob

only the same amount of portables as 2005
I will trust you on that

You have to as there are no others.

no media complaints of personal hardship
Well why would the media complain about it? You might want to rephrase.

No need for comment,,,your comment speaks volumes

no new blips in enrollment
You are probably going to need to define blip.

NNFC>>>>>YCSV

no divulged Plan B for other parcels
Can't argue that.

I am sure you can find a way ;D




I repeat.............................................


you decide

Harry, since, in your own humble opinion, you are far smarter than the SB, the majority of voters, and most of the members of this forum, why don't you go figure this out & tell us what to do? And feel free to contact the SB, administrators, lawyers, finance department, and whoever else you think needs to be contacted. You've been real busy telling other people what they should be doing - how about some real action from YOU? And please avoid the retreading & the FUD, it's just getting tiresome.

[warriorpride]

lacy said:

warriorpride said:

You continue to not answer the questions you are asked. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at this point.

Edit: BTW the term "taj" was used by the press way back when NV first opened, so if that label offends you, I suggest you take it up with them. If the worst name that WV was called was "taj", I don't think too many of us WVers would mind.

I answered your question, you just don't like my answer.

And BTW, I heard the term "Taj" used to describe NVHS by an extremely angry WVHS parent at a referendum meeting at Still. I can still picture the guy in my mind.

Wrong again - my questions were:

>> Why do you seem so intent on pointing to people that go to WV as being the perpetuaters of this nonsense?

>> You know that's not totally true, right?

I don't see an answer to either.

[Arch]

lacy said:

archwinsome said:

So Lacy, what did you mean by benefits outweighing the missed opportunities?

Were you implying that the school should not even open and instead sit idle if that was the case?

Sorry you're stuggling with this, but those were Mom4's words - maybe you should ask her since you're stuck on it.

And to answer your second question, I wouldn't sacrifice the experience of ANY kid in this district just so some people can have their way. If it's no longer what's best for the whole community, then scrap it and move on.

So if varsity sports are left out (the missed opportunities) we do not open the high school when it's built... that's the answer you are giving to my question.

Awesome. It's a travesty for Peterson to have sat idle and empty, now you're answer says it will be OK for a HS to sit idle and empty if it means opening it with just 9th and 10th graders and no varsity sports.

Thanks for at least trying to answer the question.

[driven]

archwinsome said:

lacy said:

Sorry you're stuggling with this, but those were Mom4's words - maybe you should ask her since you're stuck on it.

And to answer your second question, I wouldn't sacrifice the experience of ANY kid in this district just so some people can have their way. If it's no longer what's best for the whole community, then scrap it and move on.

So if varsity sports are left out (the missed opportunities) we do not open the high school when it's built... that's the answer you are giving to my question.

Awesome. It's a travesty for Peterson to have sat idle and empty, now you're answer says it will be OK for a HS to sit idle and empty if it means opening it with just 9th and 10th graders and no varsity sports.

Thanks for at least trying to answer the question.

What is the big deal with wanting ALL 204 high school students to be afforded the same opportunities within our district? Varsity sports are definitely not the only or even the biggest issue here. Should the parents of the MV students just be willing to sacrifice the high school experience of their children?

Don't forget that the incoming sophomore class in 2009 will be forced to leave WV and NV to "pioneer" the programs of MV. These kids will not develop a strong school identity with WV or NV within their freshman year. They will also be in the unenviable situation of feeling somewhat the outcasts at WV and NV because they know that they will not be returning the following year with the rest of their peers. I believe that this could lead to a certain isolation (even if self-imposed) for these students.

What would be the harm in opening MV with only freshman attending? Much in the same vein of the current freshman centers at WV & NV. Why risk the potential isolation of any large group of students?

[Arch]

driven said:

What is the big deal with wanting ALL 204 high school students to be afforded the same opportunities within our district? Varsity sports are definitely not the only or even the biggest issue here. Should the parents of the MV students just be willing to sacrifice the high school experience of their children?

Don't forget that the incoming sophomore class in 2009 will be forced to leave WV and NV to "pioneer" the programs of MV. These kids will not develop a strong school identity with WV or NV within their freshman year. They will also be in the unenviable situation of feeling somewhat the outcasts at WV and NV because they know that they will not be returning the following year with the rest of their peers. I believe that this could lead to a certain isolation (even if self-imposed) for these students.

What would be the harm in opening MV with only freshman attending? Much in the same vein of the current freshman centers at WV & NV. Why risk the potential isolation of any large group of students?

It's not a big deal to want it perfect, but it is a big deal to not open a school if it doesn't work out that way, which is what it seemed like Lacy and others are suggesting.

I will have a child that swings over from 1 year at WV to be in the 10th grade class if it opens in 2009 and her brother will have just graduated that previous June. Yes, it will be a difficult HS term compared to someone who gets to stay at the same school for all 4 years... but we've already decided that we just bite whatever bullet happens with it and it will be what it is. She's already been prepared (as an 8th grader next week) for the potentially rough road ahead about switching schools, teachers and peers... a 'welcome to life' sort of lesson.. We're rolling with whatever punches happen, not suggesting we don't open a school if everything isn't there and in place and perfect.

[driven]

archwinsome said:

driven said:

What is the big deal with wanting ALL 204 high school students to be afforded the same opportunities within our district? Varsity sports are definitely not the only or even the biggest issue here. Should the parents of the MV students just be willing to sacrifice the high school experience of their children?

Don't forget that the incoming sophomore class in 2009 will be forced to leave WV and NV to "pioneer" the programs of MV. These kids will not develop a strong school identity with WV or NV within their freshman year. They will also be in the unenviable situation of feeling somewhat the outcasts at WV and NV because they know that they will not be returning the following year with the rest of their peers. I believe that this could lead to a certain isolation (even if self-imposed) for these students.

What would be the harm in opening MV with only freshman attending? Much in the same vein of the current freshman centers at WV & NV. Why risk the potential isolation of any large group of students?

It's not a big deal to want it perfect, but it is a big deal to not open a school if it doesn't work out that way, which is what it seemed like Lacy and others are suggesting.

I will have a child that swings over from 1 year at WV to be in the 10th grade class if it opens in 2009 and her brother will have just graduated that previous June. Yes, it will be a difficult HS term compared to someone who gets to stay at the same school for all 4 years... but we've already decided that we just bite whatever bullet happens with it and it will be what it is. She's already been prepared (as an 8th grader next week) for the potentially rough road ahead about switching schools, teachers and peers... a 'welcome to life' sort of lesson.. We're rolling with whatever punches happen, not suggesting we don't open a school if everything isn't there and in place and perfect.

I respect your opinion on that. I just think that opening MV with freshman only could really reduce the potentially rough road. Why not try to make the smoothest transition to the new high school possible? I know at NV freshman aren't even allowed to make most varsity sports. By having MV start with freshman only, that could alleviate some concern about Varsity sports as well as completely disolve the possible isolation issue of that 1st MV sophomore class.

[Arch]

driven said:

archwinsome said:

It's not a big deal to want it perfect, but it is a big deal to not open a school if it doesn't work out that way, which is what it seemed like Lacy and others are suggesting.

I will have a child that swings over from 1 year at WV to be in the 10th grade class if it opens in 2009 and her brother will have just graduated that previous June. Yes, it will be a difficult HS term compared to someone who gets to stay at the same school for all 4 years... but we've already decided that we just bite whatever bullet happens with it and it will be what it is. She's already been prepared (as an 8th grader next week) for the potentially rough road ahead about switching schools, teachers and peers... a 'welcome to life' sort of lesson.. We're rolling with whatever punches happen, not suggesting we don't open a school if everything isn't there and in place and perfect.

I respect your opinion on that. I just think that opening MV with freshman only could really reduce the potentially rough road. Why not try to make the smoothest transition to the new high school possible? I know at NV freshman aren't even allowed to make most varsity sports. By having MV start with freshman only, that could alleviate some concern about Varsity sports as well as completely disolve the possible isolation issue of that 1st MV sophomore class.

I don't see how freshmen only solves anything.

That just pushes off 1 year exactly what they've proposed to do year 1. In year 2 under your scenario, there will again only be 9th and 10th graders there to field teams, unless you also now plan to displace 11th and 12th graders (which I doubt).

The district will need to double-bus areas for an additional year as well (3 total versus 2).

I admit, I could easily be looking at this from the wrong perspective, so please share your vision of how exactly what this solves at MV and the 10th graders left at NV and WV.

[warriorpride]

archwinsome said:

driven said:

I respect your opinion on that. I just think that opening MV with freshman only could really reduce the potentially rough road. Why not try to make the smoothest transition to the new high school possible? I know at NV freshman aren't even allowed to make most varsity sports. By having MV start with freshman only, that could alleviate some concern about Varsity sports as well as completely disolve the possible isolation issue of that 1st MV sophomore class.

I don't see how freshmen only solves anything.

That just pushes off 1 year exactly what they've proposed to do year 1. In year 2 under your scenario, there will again only be 9th and 10th graders there to field teams, unless you also now plan to displace 11th and 12th graders (which I doubt).

The district will need to double-bus areas for an additional year as well (3 total versus 2).

I admit, I could easily be looking at this from the wrong perspective, so please share your vision of how exactly what this solves at MV and the 10th graders left at NV and WV.

This also leaves MV & WV crowded at the sophmore level. When NV started off with frosh/soph, I don't recall reading anything in the papers about parents or kids complaining - everyone seemed totally excited to be the start of something new.

[gatormom]

warriorpride said:

archwinsome said:

I don't see how freshmen only solves anything.

That just pushes off 1 year exactly what they've proposed to do year 1. In year 2 under your scenario, there will again only be 9th and 10th graders there to field teams, unless you also now plan to displace 11th and 12th graders (which I doubt).

The district will need to double-bus areas for an additional year as well (3 total versus 2).

I admit, I could easily be looking at this from the wrong perspective, so please share your vision of how exactly what this solves at MV and the 10th graders left at NV and WV.

This also leaves MV & WV crowded at the sophmore level. When NV started off with frosh/soph, I don't recall reading anything in the papers about parents or kids complaining - everyone seemed totally excited to be the start of something new.

WV will still be overcrowded when Metea opens. Lets not forget that. Losing the freshman center eases crowding in the middle schools which is needed but Waubonsie will still have huge junior and senior classes.

[wvhsparent]

Just get a little bit on track.... I just checked the motion history for this case... As of today, there was no motions filed to separate the owners into 2 trials.
That does not mean it still is not in process. It appeared the next court date was 8/20, but was changed to 8/27. That might be when the motion has to be filed by.
I'll keep my eye out for it.

[harry]

doctorwho said:

harry said:

Why do you continue to cut people down on this board who don't agree with the Dr's opinion?

I guess if I was a SB member, I would be using the media for everyday updates as to what is going on.

Of course, our SB uses the media only if they think that they are looked upon in a favorable light or is this concept lost on you??

maybe you need to revisit the stuff you have been spewing at people the last 4 hours --to any number of posters if you are looking for attacks....

a FACT is that in special sessions other bills cannot be heard -- you seem to think somehow there should be a daily update - that is silly and uninformed. If that is a cut down - than so be it.

nothing is lost on me however it's you that needs to tone down the smart alec'y retorts -- and seemingly consistent overlooking of any facts for personal opinon. You don't think much of the SB.. we get it..you don't like them, you think them incompetent, and you could do a much better job as you have said. We don't need to read about it in each post, no one has missed your point. Maybe you should consider that in 18 months...

As elected officials, the SB has a responsibility to update their community so that they stay...........informed.

You think much of the SB, and WV and ad infinitum we get that. We too read your laboriously long posts, no one has missed your points...

So what is your point in this post anyway???

Your 'facts' are your opinion and your opinion alone ;D

[harry]

warriorpride said:

harry said:

So are you telling me that, we have a horribly overcrowded position in dist 204 and yet we are not using at least THREE buildings to their capacity and are asking for a $124 PLUS 3rd HS and a second referendum in 09 to support it when we currently have three buildings in your words...'not full'


P.s. You made an off handed comment about 'just wait until K turns into full day. ..."

Well it is good to know that we have flex space for all day K in Wheatland and Petersen

I heard there's an empty closet over at Wheatland - how about if we educate your kids there, Harry? Come on, man, let's get real. You can talk about how "creative" the "free" space should be used. It all stops being realistic & practical at some point, though.

It is sad, WP that you feel it is ok to waste space, land, dollars, resources, etc.

I don't

[wvhsparent]

lacy said:

warriorpride said:

You continue to not answer the questions you are asked. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at this point.

Edit: BTW the term "taj" was used by the press way back when NV first opened, so if that label offends you, I suggest you take it up with them. If the worst name that WV was called was "taj", I don't think too many of us WVers would mind.

I answered your question, you just don't like my answer.

And BTW, I heard the term "Taj" used to describe NVHS by an extremely angry WVHS parent at a referendum meeting at Still. I can still picture the guy in my mind.

"Taj Mahal" was what NVHS was coined by the media when built as at the time it was the most expensive HS ever built and the materials used were considered luxury items (Marble floors etc..)
It was not meant as a slam to NVHS, I saw more as envy, which came from all sectors, not just WVHS people, but NNHS, NCHS, LisleHS, Etc.

[gatormom]

harry said:

warriorpride said:

I heard there's an empty closet over at Wheatland - how about if we educate your kids there, Harry? Come on, man, let's get real. You can talk about how "creative" the "free" space should be used. It all stops being realistic & practical at some point, though.

It is sad, WP that you feel it is ok to waste space, land, dollars, resources, etc.

I don't

Problem is, Peterson and Wheatland are being used. They are not "wasted" space. I heard during the referendum that much space was being wasted in our high schools. Apparently those band rooms could hold 2 maybe 3 classes; of course, I doubt the Spanish teacher would be heard over the trumpet section.

There is a difference in usable space and unreasonable expectations for space. ES are not able to be used for MS or HS, it is not reasonable and IIRC not cost effective. That question was asked, a lot, in the past.

[lacy]

wvhsparent said:

lacy said:

I answered your question, you just don't like my answer.

And BTW, I heard the term "Taj" used to describe NVHS by an extremely angry WVHS parent at a referendum meeting at Still. I can still picture the guy in my mind.

"Taj Mahal" was what NVHS was coined by the media when built as at the time it was the most expensive HS ever built and the materials used were considered luxury items (Marble floors etc..)
It was not meant as a slam to NVHS, I saw more as envy, which came from all sectors, not just WVHS people, but NNHS, NCHS, LisleHS, Etc.

That may be so and I missed the media's use of it. But I did not miss the use of it at this referendum meeting I am referring to (before the first vote for a third high school).

It was used by a very angry WVHS parent who spoke at this meeting - which was jam packed by the way - so I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers it. He also stood at the back of the room with a larger group of people who seemed to be in agreement with him. And to be honest, I was shocked at the animosity displayed toward NVHS and it's attendance area. And yes, I think it was envy. I had no idea.

So, if I think there might be people like that who are motivated to build MVHS so they can get their piece of the pie, don't blame me. I saw them. My concern is that we shouldn't make any decisions (boundaries, third high school, etc.) just to satisfy someone's agenda.

If we can't get this land in a reasonable time and at a reasonable price, find another piece of property.

If the enrollment has changed, look at another solution.

What about HappyMom's post? No one wants to talk about it.