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Post by bob on Sept 27, 2007 7:57:27 GMT -6
I ditto WV the SB played master and servant and the servants had an uprising so the SB had to do a fear/scare tactic in order to pass the ref seems like we will be visiting a reboundary sooner than later I would say that Howie took it for granted more than a scare tactic. The Yes vote was not as organised as the No vote. Saying that the SD scrared people into voting yes is saying that the residents are not capable of figuring things out for themselves. The 06 election had a lot of info from both sides. I saw it as people educating themselves on the issues and voted intellgently. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 27, 2007 7:59:46 GMT -6
The referendum approved $124M for the total package -- I do not believe it separates out the land cost from the building cost - so I do not see how any other vote would be needed as far as I know. If land cost went down but construction costs went up it would be the same thing -- that being said we DO NOT want to build a HS inferior to the ones we have today. If it can't be done with the $93M, then it shouldn't be. If the district doesn't have the funds, then it should require a vote. They cannot manufacture money they do not have. And I agree that we should not build a HS inferior to the others or one that has to open in an incomplete state until they have the funds. I'm not disagreeing with you here....if they have to get more money then it has to go back to the people. What I said was they have $124M plus some interest to be able to allocate without doing that in my opinion. As of this minute that does not appear to be enough - and I also do not want an inferior HS. But I will wait and see what proposal they come up with in the next 30 days before I write it off completely. But yes, all other options should be investigated now, iimmediately as part of the decision process - that includes MACOM, and land up north. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 27, 2007 8:08:42 GMT -6
Unbelievable -- a few thoughts strike me and this is a forum to vent them I guess so I wish to issue congratulations all around: 1/ Congratulations to the jury, who proved once again that one can never underestimate how badly a decision can go -- case in point OJ / Phil Spector to name a few high profile ones. 2/ Congratulations to the attorneys at BB for being able to convince 12 people that the land at BB is worth $250K per acre more than Lehigh Station down the block at the same sales time. ( assuming the jury grasped that concept ). Maybe they got confused on the bus ride as to where they were. 3/ Congratulations to those who voted no the first time ( or didn't bother to vote at all ) - you got what you wanted - kids be d**ned As new homes go up on that land and more kids are stuffed into our schools, and programs and classrooms are overcrowded, some classes less available - remember we saved a few bucks 4/ Congratulations to the heirs at BB who will get all that extra money from someone -- oh that's right , there are no heirs. I'll wait and see what direction the SD-SB comes up with before my opinion ( for the 2 cents it's worth) is formed as to what the next best course of action is -- I only see one loser in this, and unfortunately they are too young to vote. doctor...... I have a serious issue with your #3 venting..... DO NOT Blame me for voting no the 1st time around, to which I readily admit to. The SB/Admin was more to blame for their arrogance and not properly justifying the need. Sorry to offend you, and I repeatedly said that they did a really poor job in presenting the case the first time and took people for granted. That being said we also have a certain responsibility to look at the issues before a vote - ( no different than either national party not explaining their positions clearly either - but we ( hopefully) take time to investigate on our own. So yes, they may be more to blame, but all voters ( myself included ) could have done a better job looking into the issue also. so I view the key word in your response as ''more" as in more to blame. Yes they are more to blame, but those of us who voted without demanding more information are also to blame - and I include myself in that. Maybe I should have phrased it , congratulations to those who voted no and would have voted no regardless of the case presented. Either way the end game is now this. |
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Post by bob on Sept 27, 2007 8:11:26 GMT -6
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Post by gatordog on Sept 27, 2007 8:12:33 GMT -6
I am so ticked off, I didn't even want to come on the board today. 1) I don't freakin' believe the price that the jury came up with. I'll bet that there's never been, nor ever will be a parcel IN AURORA zoned multi-familiy that sells for that price. 2) The SB has a chance to show us what they are made of - I'll reserve some of my judgement until they figure out how to get us out of this mess Good post. I will further item 2)... This is a chance for US to also show what we are made of, too. We now have the info in hand to optimize location, cost, attendance areas,etc. If boundaries need to be redrawn, its up to US to be fair, logical, reasonable...and skip ridiculous nonsense. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 27, 2007 8:12:56 GMT -6
I wonder what the assessor is thinking reading this verdict right now -- look at all that untapped tax revenue that can be added to the books |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 27, 2007 8:30:19 GMT -6
I am so ticked off, I didn't even want to come on the board today. 1) I don't freakin' believe the price that the jury came up with. I'll bet that there's never been, nor ever will be a parcel IN AURORA zoned multi-familiy that sells for that price. 2) The SB has a chance to show us what they are made of - I'll reserve some of my judgement until they figure out how to get us out of this mess Good post. I will further item 2)... This is a chance for US to also show what we are made of, too. We now have the info in hand to optimize location, cost, attendance areas,etc. If boundaries need to be redrawn, its up to US to be fair, logical, reasonable...and skip ridiculous nonsense. I agree -- yes the SB and Sd admin is there for a purpose - but it's time for everyone to step up and be involved and educated on what's going on -- and work to help the situation. If the school ends up having to be moved, boundaries likely also have to be changed because all other property even potentially available is on the fringes of the SD. Welcome to even more transportation costs. All things will need to be considered. |
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Post by southsidemom on Sept 27, 2007 8:40:22 GMT -6
Run not Walk Away from BB. Then send that area to Peterson. Depress their land price anyway possible. Get our money back for the 25 acres Call Macom if he hasn't moved his price, buy it. If he increases it , then don't build a third HS and send Ashwood to WV. So Bob, are you saying let's use the children of Ashwood to take out our revenge on Macom? |
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Post by bob on Sept 27, 2007 8:44:18 GMT -6
No, it has been said that students would have to be moved from NV to WV if no 3rd HS is built. Instead of splitting Fry or WE in half it would make sense that an area that would go to WV with a 3rd HS would be the one to move if there isn't a 3rd HS.
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Post by southsidemom on Sept 27, 2007 8:44:47 GMT -6
I agree, cut and run but to not build Metea is very short-sighted. If we do not build on BB, somebody will and that will add students to our district. But that is okay I guess, some of us will be gone before that happens. Unbelievable -- a few thoughts strike me and this is a forum to vent them I guess so I wish to issue congratulations all around: 1/ Congratulations to the jury, who proved once again that one can never underestimate how badly a decision can go -- case in point OJ / Phil Spector to name a few high profile ones. 2/ Congratulations to the attorneys at BB for being able to convince 12 people that the land at BB is worth $250K per acre more than Lehigh Station down the block at the same sales time. ( assuming the jury grasped that concept ). Maybe they got confused on the bus ride as to where they were. 3/ Congratulations to those who voted no the first time ( or didn't bother to vote at all ) - you got what you wanted - kids be d**ned As new homes go up on that land and more kids are stuffed into our schools, and programs and classrooms are overcrowded, some classes less available - remember we saved a few bucks 4/ Congratulations to the heirs at BB who will get all that extra money from someone -- oh that's right , there are no heirs. I'll wait and see what direction the SD-SB comes up with before my opinion ( for the 2 cents it's worth) is formed as to what the next best course of action is -- I only see one loser in this, and unfortunately they are too young to vote. Don't forget to congratulate people who called Senator Holmes and said no to quick take. Also congratulations to people who wanted a PLAN B all along! They were smart enough not to believe in the good land fairy. Oh and of course congratulations to M2 for having the wisdom to have no comment for a change. |
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Post by southsidemom on Sept 27, 2007 8:49:05 GMT -6
No, it has been said that students would have to be moved from NV to WV if no 3rd HS is built. Instead of splitting Fry or WE in half it would make sense that an area that would go to WV with a 3rd HS would be the one to move if there isn't a 3rd HS. We all know that it makes more sense to send White Eagle ( a neighborhood that sits in Aurora) as opposed to the 20 or so students that Ashwood would produce. But we all also know that it would generate a bunch of clubhouse meetings.  |
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Post by bob on Sept 27, 2007 8:58:16 GMT -6
No, it has been said that students would have to be moved from NV to WV if no 3rd HS is built. Instead of splitting Fry or WE in half it would make sense that an area that would go to WV with a 3rd HS would be the one to move if there isn't a 3rd HS. We all know that it makes more sense to send White Eagle ( a neighborhood that sits in Aurora) as opposed to the 20 or so students that Ashwood would produce. But we all also know that it would generate a bunch of clubhouse meetings. It would be easier to move a whole subidivision then split one. And only kids that live in Aurora should go to WV? Wow. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 27, 2007 8:59:32 GMT -6
No, it has been said that students would have to be moved from NV to WV if no 3rd HS is built. Instead of splitting Fry or WE in half it would make sense that an area that would go to WV with a 3rd HS would be the one to move if there isn't a 3rd HS. I think all boundary options for all areas will be back on the table if we have to move from BB -- let the games begin ! So not looking forward to this again. It is already creeping into the posts here-- I can see neighborhood vs neighborhood again. ' "lets draw the line at 87th street - south to NV north to WV " , "let's draw the line rt 59 - west to WV , east to NV" , "let's balance the scores", etc etc etc... " I'm moving if this or that happens" , and all the rest of the fun.... God help us. |
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Post by bob on Sept 27, 2007 9:05:32 GMT -6
Macom would be easiest to do of all locations.
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Post by dpc on Sept 27, 2007 9:09:17 GMT -6
Does anyone know how much the district has spent on legal fees related to the lawsuit and trial? These costs must be factored in as well in determining the ultimate price of the BB land even if it is a sunk cost. The taxpayers deserve to know every penny being spent on this piece of land.
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