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Post by Arch on Oct 15, 2007 8:50:25 GMT -6
Just curious, what facts will they get from public comment? I'm not being sarcastic, just asking? If I go and sign up and say "I am for the 3rd high school opening ASAP regardless of location" how is that a fact? That's how it works. The sb does not answer during public comment. If the SB would at least address the community and let them know what was being considered would go a long way. The more possibilities they have means they would have more negotiating power for lower land cost is my thought. I feel they are stalling so they can move forward with BB and state they had to make a quick decision and not enough time to fully research alternatives. Wasn't the Macom property already looked at when they were first approached and under a NDA? Wasn't St. John's and the other Quarry property as well as places like Wagner Farms, etc already looked at for consideration and researched? I could continually state that a place is never fully researched because aspects change from day to day. It can be a never ending cycle of re-researching. At some point, someone has to draw a line and say that the R&D portion is as done as it's going to get. |
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Post by momof3 on Oct 15, 2007 8:51:50 GMT -6
Because Lehman wants to cash in on the situation as quickly as possible. 1) sell land that would be difficult to sell houses on, given the market downturn AND given Peterson tagged as going to terrible WV; and 2) improve sales at Ashwood by getting Peterson out of terrible WV. Would anyone that has, does, or will go to WV want Lehman to benefit from this (other than maybe Ashwood)? I say give BB the $, which goes to charity. Warrior, What charities does Brach Brodiesupport? Do you know where the proceeds from this sale eventually get disbursed? I bet more has and will go to our community through Macom than ever will with Brach brodie. BB doesn't have any local ties - how would our community benefit from BB? I actually agree with you on one point. I don't understand why PL has thrown away the goodwill generated by things like his $50K donation to the carrillon; and I'm assuming Lehman Hall at Knox Church is named after him. Then he turns around and sues the city and park district and threatens "damages" in the paper. Huh? The Helen V. Brach Foundation supports Loyola University and gives scholarships to Catholic high schools that I know of - the foundation has given away $70 Million to charity since 1988 or so. I believe their mission is to help the poor and underserved. |
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Post by sd204taxpayer on Oct 15, 2007 8:58:44 GMT -6
Yes, and that is the question; what property works best for the dollars. Maybe BB can be done better than 248th for the same dollars. Or, maybe the same dollars can be spent on 248th that provide what is needed. Keep it simple; which is the best. And M2 and JC and the other go alongs will follow BG and CB are really nice people, but they have no backbone to differ. And if Stephens steps up, you may find a real debate. but, keep it in your mind, M2 and JC will be the deciding factor. If BB could have be done better than 248th for the same dollars, the SB would have made that known already. Thus, if they feel like looking deeper into 248th, they will. If not, they won't. but, this is not a democracy...this is Metzger and Clark land - and don't forget it. They HAVE NEVER LOSSED. Period. Good night. |
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Post by sd204taxpayer on Oct 15, 2007 9:03:14 GMT -6
Warrior, What charities does Brach Brodiesupport? Do you know where the proceeds from this sale eventually get disbursed? I bet more has and will go to our community through Macom than ever will with Brach brodie. BB doesn't have any local ties - how would our community benefit from BB? Please cite some examples and dollar figures to back your 'bet' that more will go to our community. Where does the BB money go? Which Charities? you made the comment, I'm just asking for support. |
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Post by slp on Oct 15, 2007 9:24:27 GMT -6
I'm not following why people are believing and listening to this builder. Why would this builder care what is best for a school district? It seems to me like he is playing on peoples fears and frustrations. I have my money on 7 individuals who have nothing personal to gain and sit on our school district board . I will wait to see what comes of their meetings before I jump on this builders' bangwagon.
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Post by proschool on Oct 15, 2007 9:36:30 GMT -6
Please cite some examples and dollar figures to back your 'bet' that more will go to our community. Where does the BB money go? Which Charities? you made the comment, I'm just asking for support. Just Google search Helen Brach Foundation. I found too many links to print. |
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 15, 2007 9:36:35 GMT -6
Please cite some examples and dollar figures to back your 'bet' that more will go to our community. Where does the BB money go? Which Charities? you made the comment, I'm just asking for support. " I bet more has and will go to our community through Macom than ever will with Brach brodie. BB doesn't have any local ties - how would our community benefit from BB?" back at ya - is this part of his proposal being delivered today ? -- didn't see that part in the e-mail. Maybe I need to get on another distribution list. Show me where anything is coming back to us.... again, can't have it both ways -- I am really having a hard time understanding this knight on a white horse image. |
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Post by proschool on Oct 15, 2007 9:41:56 GMT -6
Where does the BB money go? Which Charities? you made the comment, I'm just asking for support. " I bet more has and will go to our community through Macom than ever will with Brach brodie. BB doesn't have any local ties - how would our community benefit from BB?" back at ya - is this part of his proposal being delivered today ? -- didn't see that part in the e-mail. Maybe I need to get on another distribution list. Show me where anything is coming back to us.... again, can't have it both ways -- I am really having a hard time understanding this knight on a white horse image. Good point doctor. If he's going to give it back why not just save the energy and have him donate the land. Give me $15 million dollars and maybe you will see it again...then again maybe not. |
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Post by soon2bwvhs on Oct 15, 2007 9:43:31 GMT -6
I'm not following why people are believing and listening to this builder. Why would this builder care what is best for a school district? It seems to me like he is playing on peoples fears and frustrations. I have my money on 7 individuals who have nothing personal to gain and sit on our school district board . I will wait to see what comes of their meetings before I jump on this builders' bangwagon. I totally agree; this man's motives have been self serving at best. Something else to remember is that the issue is still in ligation; would it really serve the SD's interest at this point to fully disclose all the details on every option that is being considered...seems like they would be showing their hand to groups that they are in negotiation with? |
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Post by Arch on Oct 15, 2007 10:01:12 GMT -6
Based on a previous transaction a couple of years ago, I believe land was sold down there by his company for 180K / acre. If we pay 334K/acre he just made over 10 million in profit from the profitable price a couple of years ago. Does anyone know what he actually paid for the land down there? Now, that would make a very good talking points bullet item about how much he is willing to 'help' the district. How about land at cost, or even land plus 10% selling price? That would be very hard to argue against even for those 'selfish northerners looking to boost up their property values'. Luckily though, according to reliable sources, the boundaries will not have to change  |
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Post by gatormom on Oct 15, 2007 10:18:15 GMT -6
Based on a previous transaction a couple of years ago, I believe land was sold down there by his company for 180K / acre. If we pay 334K/acre he just made over 10 million in profit from the profitable price a couple of years ago. Does anyone know what he actually paid for the land down there? Now, that would make a very good talking points bullet item about how much he is willing to 'help' the district. How about land at cost, or even land plus 10% selling price? That would be very hard to argue against even for those 'selfish northerners looking to boost up their property values'. Luckily though, according to reliable sources, the boundaries will not have to change I am so glad you brought up the boundaries not changing. The last time I heard that was when I spoke to Sen. Linda Holmes regarding quick take. The day she decided that she would push the bill if Ashwood Park was sent to MV. She told me that the SB can change the boundaries at any time and since Ashwood Park had so few kids it wouldn't make any difference. After all, the SB could move a school out at a later date when MV got overcrowded. PL had nothing to do with that. He is in it for the kids. Of course, PL's new plan is even better. We will now have areas traveling the most ridiculous distances and passing two HSs just to prove his point. |
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Post by lacy on Oct 15, 2007 11:34:19 GMT -6
What point would that be?
He has land that may be a viable alternative to BB and will in all likelihood cost millions less?
Why would anyone not want to hear the details of it?
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Post by Arch on Oct 15, 2007 11:41:21 GMT -6
What point would that be? He has land that may be a viable alternative to BB and will in all likelihood cost millions less? Why would anyone not want to hear the details of it? It's not a matter of not wanting to hear it. We've all heard the party line. What would really help at this point is answering the unanswered questions, with full disclosure, that surround the property. You say it will "in all likelihood cost millions less", then we would like to see how that works out with all costs considered, without conveniently leaving out costs that are already racked up that we have to pay, the current 'walk away' costs, etc. Timelines also have to factor in because there is a cost associated with time. As you said, we would like more 'details' and not the same regurgitated party line without actual numbers and timelines to back up such claims. |
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Post by gatormom on Oct 15, 2007 11:41:43 GMT -6
What point would that be? He has land that may be a viable alternative to BB and will in all likelihood cost millions less? Why would anyone not want to hear the details of it? I guess I should have said to prove that his plan works. In the email, we are promised that the boundaries don't have to change, that is impossible. We are promised that a study will prove that the switching station and power lines are safe, many studies available going both ways. Wolf Road is not going to be moved until next spring, how can he promise anything time-wise. Still has work that needs to go through Naperville City council, I believe they estimated 4 to 6 months for that. This is nothing but a rehash of his plan. On the other hand, if the district has been looking at it and determines that it is the best place available for MV, I will support it. I will not support it because of handful of noisy folk who did not get the boundaries they want are telling me it is better. |
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Post by wvhsparent on Oct 15, 2007 11:41:51 GMT -6
If the SB would at least address the community and let them know what was being considered would go a long way. The more possibilities they have means they would have more negotiating power for lower land cost is my thought. I feel they are stalling so they can move forward with BB and state they had to make a quick decision and not enough time to fully research alternatives. Wasn't the Macom property already looked at when they were first approached and under a NDA? Wasn't St. John's and the other Quarry property as well as places like Wagner Farms, etc already looked at for consideration and researched? I could continually state that a place is never fully researched because aspects change from day to day. It can be a never ending cycle of re-researching. At some point, someone has to draw a line and say that the R&D portion is as done as it's going to get. IMHO all past research is invalid/stale once the BB cost came in at what it did. Maybe the stuff about layout is still relavent, the that pesky price thing really screwed everything up. Maybe you are OK with them paying it...I am not.... |
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