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[Arch]

wvhsparent said:

archwinsome said:

Wasn't the Macom property already looked at when they were first approached and under a NDA? Wasn't St. John's and the other Quarry property as well as places like Wagner Farms, etc already looked at for consideration and researched?

I could continually state that a place is never fully researched because aspects change from day to day. It can be a never ending cycle of re-researching. At some point, someone has to draw a line and say that the R&D portion is as done as it's going to get.

IMHO all past research is invalid/stale once the BB cost came in at what it did.
Maybe the stuff about layout is still relavent, the that pesky price thing really screwed everything up.
Maybe you are OK with them paying it...I am not....

Everything about BB still holds, just plug in the new price and costs. There should already be a formula that was used, outlining those variable costs.

Even simple data center designs do things via a formula where you plug in such variables as lease costs, construction upgrade/ build out costs, power costs, AC costs, property taxes, materials costs, machine costs, power consumption rates, salaries, etc.

Something much grander like a HS should at a minimum have used a similar cost model.

[momof3]

lacy said:

What point would that be?

He has land that may be a viable alternative to BB and will in all likelihood cost millions less?

Why would anyone not want to hear the details of it?

wvhsparent has heard back from one school board member that the school board is considering all options, including Macom and St. Johns.

Is it that you want to hear about it? Because the decision-makers are hearing about it. Claiming that the decision-makers are not hearing about the Macom property is unfounded.

Trusting the decision makers to make the decision is a completely different issue and the community voted on that last spring.

I don't want to see the sausage being made, I want a new hs delivered without asking for more dough, because that is what they were charged to do by the majority of voters in the district

[Arch]

This is the irony that gets me.

We can't trust the numbers from the school board, but we must trust the numbers contained in an email full of its own inaccuracies?

[lacy]

wvhsparent said:

archwinsome said:

Wasn't the Macom property already looked at when they were first approached and under a NDA? Wasn't St. John's and the other Quarry property as well as places like Wagner Farms, etc already looked at for consideration and researched?

I could continually state that a place is never fully researched because aspects change from day to day. It can be a never ending cycle of re-researching. At some point, someone has to draw a line and say that the R&D portion is as done as it's going to get.

IMHO all past research is invalid/stale once the BB cost came in at what it did.
Maybe the stuff about layout is still relavent, the that pesky price thing really screwed everything up.
Maybe you are OK with them paying it...I am not....

Couldn't agree more.

[lacy]

momof3 said:

lacy said:

What point would that be?

He has land that may be a viable alternative to BB and will in all likelihood cost millions less?

Why would anyone not want to hear the details of it?

wvhsparent has heard back from one school board member that the school board is considering all options, including Macom and St. Johns.

Is it that you want to hear about it? Because the decision-makers are hearing about it. Claiming that the decision-makers are not hearing about the Macom property is unfounded.

Trusting the decision makers to make the decision is a completely different issue and the community voted on that last spring.

I don't want to see the sausage being made, I want a new hs delivered without asking for more dough, because that is what they were charged to do by the majority of voters in the district

They are creating distrust with their executive sessions and public comment only at the end of the meeting and only pertaining to non-agenda items.

If they want people to trust them, they should be forthcoming. We have heard from individuals that have emailed them with specific questions and never heard back.

We don't know how many millions of our money they have spent chasing BB in terms of attorney and lobbyist fees.

If you're O.K. just blindly trusting them, then good for you.

I am not (and I don't believe I'm the only one!)

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

[bob]

Where does it say that there will be no comment on non agenda issues?

[lacy]

gatormom said:

lacy said:

What point would that be?

He has land that may be a viable alternative to BB and will in all likelihood cost millions less?

Why would anyone not want to hear the details of it?

I guess I should have said to prove that his plan works. In the email, we are promised that the boundaries don't have to change, that is impossible. We are promised that a study will prove that the switching station and power lines are safe, many studies available going both ways. Wolf Road is not going to be moved until next spring, how can he promise anything time-wise. Still has work that needs to go through Naperville City council, I believe they estimated 4 to 6 months for that.

This is nothing but a rehash of his plan. On the other hand, if the district has been looking at it and determines that it is the best place available for MV, I will support it. I will not support it because of handful of noisy folk who did not get the boundaries they want are telling me it is better.

I don't think a "handful of noisy folk" should stop other alternatives from being heard.

I mean what are you afraid of?

[lacy]

soon2bwvhs said:

The SB should listen to ALL options. I am for the 3rd HS no matter where it ends ups and even if we have to redo boundaries.

However, I think the content of this thread was regarding the misleading and incorrect information in this mass email that was sent out.

It is also my understanding that only non-agenda items can now be addressed during public comment (correct me if I am wrong; Another point that the sender of the email got wrong). According to the agenda "Pending Litigation and Acquisition of Real Property" a topic of discussion and therefore public comment would not be allowed. The SB must give 48 hour notice of meetings and agenda's.


P R E P A R I N G A L L S T U D E N T S T O S U C C E E D
Crouse Education Center
P.O. Box 3990, Naperville, IL 60567
phone: [phone] • fax: [phone] • web: www.ipsd.org
________________________________________________________________________
Board of Education Offices
October 15, 2007
Crouse Education Center
Special Meeting, Board of Education
Agenda – start: 7:15 p.m.
AGENDA
I. Call to Order - Roll Call
II. Pledge of Allegiance
III. Executive Session to Discuss Pending Litigation and Acquisition of Real
Property
IV. Persons Requesting to Address the Board on Non-Agenda Items
V. Adjournment
10/11/07jb

Bob,

According to this post, only non-agenda items may be addressed during public comment.

Is this not correct?

[gatormom]

lacy said:

gatormom said:

I guess I should have said to prove that his plan works. In the email, we are promised that the boundaries don't have to change, that is impossible. We are promised that a study will prove that the switching station and power lines are safe, many studies available going both ways. Wolf Road is not going to be moved until next spring, how can he promise anything time-wise. Still has work that needs to go through Naperville City council, I believe they estimated 4 to 6 months for that.

This is nothing but a rehash of his plan. On the other hand, if the district has been looking at it and determines that it is the best place available for MV, I will support it. I will not support it because of handful of noisy folk who did not get the boundaries they want are telling me it is better.

I don't think a "handful of noisy folk" should stop other alternatives from being heard.

I mean what are you afraid of?

Nobody is stopping alternatives from being heard.

By the way, my mistake, I really misread something in the email. The statement was that it would take longer to build MV and it won't. It won't take any longer to actually build it; however, it may just take longer to get started.

[momof3]

lacy said:

momof3 said:

wvhsparent has heard back from one school board member that the school board is considering all options, including Macom and St. Johns.

Is it that you want to hear about it? Because the decision-makers are hearing about it. Claiming that the decision-makers are not hearing about the Macom property is unfounded.

Trusting the decision makers to make the decision is a completely different issue and the community voted on that last spring.

I don't want to see the sausage being made, I want a new hs delivered without asking for more dough, because that is what they were charged to do by the majority of voters in the district

They are creating distrust with their executive sessions and public comment only at the end of the meeting and only pertaining to non-agenda items.

If they want people to trust them, they should be forthcoming. We have heard from individuals that have emailed them with specific questions and never heard back.

We don't know how many millions of our money they have spent chasing BB in terms of attorney and lobbyist fees.

If you're O.K. just blindly trusting them, then good for you.

I am not (and I don't believe I'm the only one!)

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

So it's not about hearing about the Macom property, it's about trust.

Completely different issues.

Yes - me and the majority of the voting public in the district disagrees with you, based on the last school board election. You want to get in the middle of the process. So run for school board. But please don't muck up the process to getting the 3rd high school that the majority of your voting neighbors voted in favor of. Pick Macom - pick St. Johns - pick BB - I don't care - get it done!

eta - and considering St. Johns or Macom and choosing St. Johns or Macom are 2 different things as well.

and my trust is not blind - it's based on their track record of providing above average results at below average costs

[bob]

You might want re-read agneda IV.

IV. Persons Requesting to Address the Board on Non-Agenda Items

[lacy]

gatormom said:

lacy said:

I don't think a "handful of noisy folk" should stop other alternatives from being heard.

I mean what are you afraid of?

Nobody is stopping alternatives from being heard.

By the way, my mistake, I really misread something in the email. The statement was that it would take longer to build MV and it won't. It won't take any longer to actually build it; however, it may just take longer to get started.

How do you know?

IMO, you've spent the last day finding one negative thing after another to say regarding this email and the site at 248th.

Again, what are you afraid of?

[bob]

lacy said:

gatormom said:

Nobody is stopping alternatives from being heard.

By the way, my mistake, I really misread something in the email. The statement was that it would take longer to build MV and it won't. It won't take any longer to actually build it; however, it may just take longer to get started.

How do you know?

IMO, you've spent the last day finding one negative thing after another to say regarding this email and the site at 248th.

Again, what are you afraid of?

Let's see Lacy, if we go BB, we can start now. If we buy Macom we can't build on it until they move Wolf's Crossing which isn't happening until Spring of 08. The road runs through the middle of the school right now.

[gatormom]

lacy said:

gatormom said:

Nobody is stopping alternatives from being heard.

By the way, my mistake, I really misread something in the email. The statement was that it would take longer to build MV and it won't. It won't take any longer to actually build it; however, it may just take longer to get started.

How do you know?

IMO, you've spent the last day finding one negative thing after another to say regarding this email and the site at 248th.

Again, what are you afraid of?

No fears lacy. How about you? Afraid of where the school will end up or what? If the SB can build MV without coming back to us for more money and not change the boundaries, John Q. Public is happy. Not everyone is as active in the process as you and I.

[wvhsparent]

archwinsome said:

wvhsparent said:

IMHO all past research is invalid/stale once the BB cost came in at what it did.
Maybe the stuff about layout is still relavent, the that pesky price thing really screwed everything up.
Maybe you are OK with them paying it...I am not....

Everything about BB still holds, just plug in the new price and costs. There should already be a formula that was used, outlining those variable costs.

Even simple data center designs do things via a formula where you plug in such variables as lease costs, construction upgrade/ build out costs, power costs, AC costs, property taxes, materials costs, machine costs, power consumption rates, salaries, etc.

Something much grander like a HS should at a minimum have used a similar cost model.

It's that very thing that is the deal breaker for me...the new cost....