Question about capacity

[admin]

With all the confusion of the last year, I have a question to be answered.

When they say capacity is 3000, what does that actually mean?

Does that count every empty seat including labs, special ed classes, band rooms....?

[Arch]

I'm not sure, but I have more questions than answers and here's some math and data about it:


I'm beginning to re-look at historical enrollment numbers and am finding EVEN MORE things that are not adding up:

For instance:

02/03 school year (BEFORE the FRESHMAN CAMPUSES)
NVHS had 3200 students, WVHS had 3,000 students IN THE MAIN BUILDING

That's a Main building capacity of 6,200 that was DONE IN THE PAST for year 02/03

It is my understanding (And yes, this is what I am looking into NEXT) that all middle schools follow pretty much the same floor plans. I need to verify this and I will.

*IF* that is a yes, then This year's enrollment at Scullen can be used to determine what can be in a Freshman Campus. This year, there are 1,300 at Scullen.

So, recap: 6,200 Main buildings (ALREADY DONE in 02/03)
2 * 1,300 (2 Freshman campuses using Scullen's current enrollment as capacity of each). We can even call it a 200 range and for the sake of argument use the 1,200 'capacity' limit the District said they have.

That leaves us with CURRENTLY 8,600 -> 8,800 student capacity at the High School level that Has already been done before.

The caveat on the 8,800 there is if the Current Freshman Campuses are NOT of the same layout as Scullen. We present 8,600 as the low capacity because we're using the District's claim of 1,200 per freshman campus.

But right there alone shows us of having historically used only 400-600 shy of the Grades 2-5 Enrollment that everyone is so worried about and saying we need to start building this High School.

I say we wait for more real numbers and see what September06 enrollment numbers show. Again, that will give us MORE REAL DATA about whether we're only talking about a 400-600 number difference we need to deal with or if it's something more or something less.

[admin]

Scullen has "trailers" which allows biger classes than what is at the Frosh center

The next three Frosh clases at NV
1138
1166
1230

Don't forget that the availability currently at the main campus dries up becasue each graduation class is smaller than class before it.

Arch until we have a definition of what capacity means. becasue if 3000 means every seat at school taken then that is not a good enviroment to learn.

[Arch]

Ah, ok great. Didn't know that about Scullen.

We'll have to use the 1,200 numbers then and take the district at face value on capacity for the Fresh Center.

Did you mean to say because each class it bigger than the one before it?

[admin]

If NV is running at 3100 now, think of what happens the next frosh class is bigger than the last.

When the current 6th,7th,8th grade class is at the main campus, then NV is at 3534. That equals 117% of max capacity. To get back to a 90% capacity NV alone has to lose 800 kids.

[Arch]

admin said:

If NV is running at 3100 now, think of what happens the next frosh class is bigger than the last.

When the current 6th,7th,8th grade class is at the main campus, then NV is at 3534. That equals 117% of max capacity. To get back to a 90% capacity NV alone has to lose 800 kids.

4 years out from now, yes.. there needs to be an 800 head solution for what's in the queue at the moment with the boundaries as they are.

Prior to that, there still needs to be a solution because there will still be an issue, it just won't be 800 yet.

[admin]

But arch it just gets worse for the five years after that. Now we are talking 8-10 years of over capacity. That is not good.

[Arch]

w/ what's in the queue, NV as it sits today hits that historical 3,200 milestone again in the main building next year.

What are they doing about that?

[admin]

All I have is second have info on how crowded it is. I really should go and check it out myself. But, how do you explain to your boss that you need a day off to check out a HS.

[Arch]

Boss, I need to take 1-2 hours of personal time. Thanks.


Boss / Honey... sometimes the 2 are interchangable

[admin]

NO personal time in my line of work.

[stinks]

Sure there is--if you want to take a big kick to the wallet!

[Arch]

Personally, my problem with the current language being shown for the ballot

eh.robis.net/uploads/JID37_3%2021%2006%20Props_2_3_06%20-%20Unofficial.pdf

States that the $124.6 million is *only* for the HS.

If approved, the supposed plan is to convert back WVHS Gold Campus to a middle school starting next year, right?

1) With what funds? The ballot language says nothiing about *THOSE* funds being used for that.
2) Taking WVHS Gold Campus away will dump all 4 years back INTO WVHS main building.

Next year, that will be approx 3600 students across 4 grades.

So, a *BIG* question to me is:

Why is it all of a sudden OK to stuff 3600 into WVHS main building under this scenerio when all the talk was about 'optimal' and saying the HS should be 3K or under?

That action alone will stuff WVHS at 3600 in the main building while leaving NVHS at 3220 in the main building.

*THIS* is why I have been consistently AGAINST converting back any Freshman center for this 'deal'.

[admin]

I have never seen a timetable about the WV conversion to a 4 year school.

[wvhsparent]

archwinsome said:

Personally, my problem with the current language being shown for the ballot

eh.robis.net/uploads/JID37_3%2021%2006%20Props_2_3_06%20-%20Unofficial.pdf

States that the $124.6 million is *only* for the HS.

If approved, the supposed plan is to convert back WVHS Gold Campus to a middle school starting next year, right?

1) With what funds? The ballot language says nothiing about *THOSE* funds being used for that.
2) Taking WVHS Gold Campus away will dump all 4 years back INTO WVHS main building.

Next year, that will be approx 3600 students across 4 grades.

So, a *BIG* question to me is:

Why is it all of a sudden OK to stuff 3600 into WVHS main building under this scenerio when all the talk was about 'optimal' and saying the HS should be 3K or under?

That action alone will stuff WVHS at 3600 in the main building while leaving NVHS at 3220 in the main building.

*THIS* is why I have been consistently AGAINST converting back any Freshman center for this 'deal'.

I don't think it will happen till the 3rd HS is up.
The threat is that they (the SB) would start reconfig next year if there is referendum failure.