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Post by doctorwho on Mar 17, 2010 21:18:45 GMT -6
Last time I checked, calling someone nasty was a personal attack. Sure you have the right, thanks to the mods, to post on this board all you want. But it would be nice if you offered anything besides criticism of other people's opinions. I might be new, but I've read for a while and you rarely even post your OWN opinion and certainly not until someone else posts their's first. And I don't think you've ever once posted anything close to a fact. Where do you stand on the budget cuts? What should go? What about music? What about ADK? I can tell you that I prefer any cuts before cuts to any academic curriculum or special needs. I have a child in music and no special needs, but I believe academics is what will make or break our district in the long run. Now that my opinion has been voiced, you should be able to criticize me and tell me what you think.  Also, why do you refuse to consider that there may be differences between the high schools when people who have kids in the high schools and even the board and those working for the district have admitted to differences? Or the possibility that WV may close? Why as a Steck parent (and thus future WV parent) would you not think these issues are worth exploring? we are going to disagree on the personal attack part falcon, but I will engage you on your questions. ADK gone and Pay to play sports if I have to cut. Looks like we don't have a situation where the teachers will take a pay cut unfortunately because that would fix a lot. Special needs programs is a draw for 204 and the reason my neighbor moved here from the northwest suburbs. There are differences between the schools. Do I think WV is getting screwed? no. after you have a child go there- come back and answer again. I've been there- where the school had to beg for meager improvements - whereas NV counterparts had luxury items in the same categories ( you should have seen some of he bathrooms before the remodel money dropped just before the ref vote in 2006 (hmm wonder why?), weight room, beg some more at the time - girls locker room facilities then- horrific is the best word, and look no further than some of the uniforms and such. -- until you've lived those battles as a parent volunteer there, I'd be a lot less sure. -- as far as knowing people that went there etc.-- understand most kids there make do with what they have and don't complain..doesn't make the differential right. MV gets stadium turf and WV players have some uniforms and such that are in real need of replacement ( of course maybe now the parents will be replacing them-- which would explain why former alums like Curt kept calling for a "new Waubonsie' - and as the booster club president said at the orientation meeting for 8th grade parents- new checkbooks will be coming to WV to even the playing field. Sorry, but I don't think he made that up on his own, it was something being repeated. A day I will never forget as my area was being thrown out of there to get sent to the hinterlands. |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 17, 2010 21:36:30 GMT -6
Last time I checked, calling someone nasty was a personal attack. Sure you have the right, thanks to the mods, to post on this board all you want. But it would be nice if you offered anything besides criticism of other people's opinions. I might be new, but I've read for a while and you rarely even post your OWN opinion and certainly not until someone else posts their's first. And I don't think you've ever once posted anything close to a fact. Where do you stand on the budget cuts? What should go? What about music? What about ADK? I can tell you that I prefer any cuts before cuts to any academic curriculum or special needs. I have a child in music and no special needs, but I believe academics is what will make or break our district in the long run. Now that my opinion has been voiced, you should be able to criticize me and tell me what you think. Also, why do you refuse to consider that there may be differences between the high schools when people who have kids in the high schools and even the board and those working for the district have admitted to differences? Or the possibility that WV may close? Why as a Steck parent (and thus future WV parent) would you not think these issues are worth exploring? Welcome to the world of FUD Falcon, and steckdad is up to his neck in it. Steckdad would like you to believe that he is just another concerned parent, but steckdad is well connected to the powers of 204 so he has a full time job in here casting doubt, attempting to discredit those who disagree with District policy, procedure and administration. Saying the same things over and over, hoping they will stick. You will find steckdad is a master of contradiction. For example, he fights for the right of the District to post a sign telling the State they owe us money (even though the State can legally do so), yet he doesn't question his own District's back door referendum of $17 million (that no one was allowed to vote on yet we are all paying for) to provide the funding gap for MVHS (because it is legal). Once when I stated the Board failed in its responsibility of due diligence by not seeking outside professionals to assist in determining our capacity needs and how best to satisfy them (re whether to build a HS (a $124 million and counting project) or add to existing facilities (as a majority wanted) he responded: (paraphrase) "we have perfectly capable people in house to handle that..." Yet it is ok to seek outside assistance for a survey (cost $17.5k), a bus contract ($60k as I recall for a contract worth a fraction of the value of building a HS), and several other issues, but I think you understand my point. Steckdad sees the District from the view of the connected. So you won't get too much out of him Falcon, he needs to protect his identity. a) false. I am connected to no one in 204(except my daughter and wife who is an alumn) b) the sign and the 17 mill are not related IMO c) I never said it was OK to spend any money on those outside services. that is just what you heard in your mind |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 17, 2010 21:47:09 GMT -6
way out of line with the pig comment lacy. too bad their isn't an unbiased moderator around to let you know so.... maybe we can put filters in that change peoples written words for things as mundane as ' long commute' -- would that be unbiased ? Censorship can be also dangerous --- and the mods here have also taken some shots from you that would have gotten you banned elsewhere..or slapped on the wrist real hard. Within reason we try and let people work things out - hopefully you're not affected by that - short term- long term etc. One has to be resilient like we're asking the students to be...  I never called anyone a pig but If I did I can assure you I would have caught the heel end from you two. We know the result when the tides are turned though. Calling someone a pig is beyond "reason" IMO show me one post that would have gotten me banned elsewhere or slapped on the wrist. Never a name called...never a bad word typed. I know what constitutes a personal attack and I never once personally attacked someone. I may have responded to one in a negative fashion...but that is it. You and others are ultra sensitive to anyone not following the main theme here. Take the feedback because it is real doc. |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 17, 2010 21:49:35 GMT -6
way out of line with the pig comment lacy. too bad their isn't an unbiased moderator around to let you know so.... There is no such thing as an unbiased person. We're all adults here. If you can't deal with that and need a babysitter to shield you from someone else's reality, then don't come here. that's garbage arch and you know it. You have a job to do as moderator and letting people know when they are out of line is one of them unless this site is just a free-for-all for those on the right side of the argument? |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 17, 2010 22:00:47 GMT -6
we are going to disagree on the personal attack part falcon, but I will engage you on your questions. ADK gone and Pay to play sports if I have to cut. Looks like we don't have a situation where the teachers will take a pay cut unfortunately because that would fix a lot. Special needs programs is a draw for 204 and the reason my neighbor moved here from the northwest suburbs. There are differences between the schools. Do I think WV is getting screwed? no. after you have a child go there- come back and answer again. I've been there- where the school had to beg for meager improvements - whereas NV counterparts had luxury items in the same categories ( you should have seen some of he bathrooms before the remodel money dropped just before the ref vote in 2006 (hmm wonder why?), weight room, beg some more at the time - girls locker room facilities then- horrific is the best word, and look no further than some of the uniforms and such. -- until you've lived those battles as a parent volunteer there, I'd be a lot less sure. -- as far as knowing people that went there etc.-- understand most kids there make do with what they have and don't complain..doesn't make the differential right. MV gets stadium turf and WV players have some uniforms and such that are in real need of replacement ( of course maybe now the parents will be replacing them-- which would explain why former alums like Curt kept calling for a "new Waubonsie' - and as the booster club president said at the orientation meeting for 8th grade parents- new checkbooks will be coming to WV to even the playing field. Sorry, but I don't think he made that up on his own, it was something being repeated. A day I will never forget as my area was being thrown out of there to get sent to the hinterlands. Doc...let me ask you when your kids were at WV...why were you looking across town? People make a school doc....uniforms and field turf do not. My varsity basketball uniform was 5 years old before I got it as a sophomore but when the lights were on and the band was playing and the student section was going crazy the last thing on my mind was my 5 year old nut hugging polyester uniform. as a parent volunteer you should be there for one thing. to support the kids. Does an old cruddy locker room make you less of a player. do gross bathrooms make you less of a student. I for one don't think so. You cannot deny that the parents $$ at NV had a lot to do the "nice things" there in the athletic dept. the rest of the school is just a lot newer! amenities are nice doc and equality is a great goal to have but don't carry that around that baggage...It is not worth it. |
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Post by macrockett on Mar 17, 2010 22:12:51 GMT -6
Welcome to the world of FUD Falcon, and steckdad is up to his neck in it. Steckdad would like you to believe that he is just another concerned parent, but steckdad is well connected to the powers of 204 so he has a full time job in here casting doubt, attempting to discredit those who disagree with District policy, procedure and administration. Saying the same things over and over, hoping they will stick. You will find steckdad is a master of contradiction. For example, he fights for the right of the District to post a sign telling the State they owe us money (even though the State can legally do so), yet he doesn't question his own District's back door referendum of $17 million (that no one was allowed to vote on yet we are all paying for) to provide the funding gap for MVHS (because it is legal). Once when I stated the Board failed in its responsibility of due diligence by not seeking outside professionals to assist in determining our capacity needs and how best to satisfy them (re whether to build a HS (a $124 million and counting project) or add to existing facilities (as a majority wanted) he responded: (paraphrase) "we have perfectly capable people in house to handle that..." Yet it is ok to seek outside assistance for a survey (cost $17.5k), a bus contract ($60k as I recall for a contract worth a fraction of the value of building a HS), and several other issues, but I think you understand my point. Steckdad sees the District from the view of the connected. So you won't get too much out of him Falcon, he needs to protect his identity. a) false. I am connected to no one in 204(except my daughter and wife who is an alumn) b) the sign and the 17 mill are not related IMO c) I never said it was OK to spend any money on those outside services. that is just what you heard in your minda) Whatever you say ST b) You have a right to your opinion, maybe we should take a vote to see what others think. c) Really? Not even a little bit? Well there is one thing about them that isn't related. In one case the State screwed us, in the other our own Board screwed us. Now I see what you are saying. Maybe then you could explain (rationalize) the following puzzle for me that I posted elsewhere today: reply #3 under thread: Central renovations on time and under budget ipsd204.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=non204&action=display&thread=3335 |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 17, 2010 22:23:51 GMT -6
Mac...more speculation about the 17 mill? I am sorry I can't explain your puzzle
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Post by macrockett on Mar 17, 2010 22:39:27 GMT -6
Mac...more speculation about the 17 mill? I am sorry I can't explain your puzzle Ok, I won't trouble you anymore about it. By the way, it is not a smoking gun. |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 17, 2010 22:40:38 GMT -6
after you have a child go there- come back and answer again. I've been there- where the school had to beg for meager improvements - whereas NV counterparts had luxury items in the same categories ( you should have seen some of he bathrooms before the remodel money dropped just before the ref vote in 2006 (hmm wonder why?), weight room, beg some more at the time - girls locker room facilities then- horrific is the best word, and look no further than some of the uniforms and such. -- until you've lived those battles as a parent volunteer there, I'd be a lot less sure. -- as far as knowing people that went there etc.-- understand most kids there make do with what they have and don't complain..doesn't make the differential right. MV gets stadium turf and WV players have some uniforms and such that are in real need of replacement ( of course maybe now the parents will be replacing them-- which would explain why former alums like Curt kept calling for a "new Waubonsie' - and as the booster club president said at the orientation meeting for 8th grade parents- new checkbooks will be coming to WV to even the playing field. Sorry, but I don't think he made that up on his own, it was something being repeated. A day I will never forget as my area was being thrown out of there to get sent to the hinterlands. Doc...let me ask you when your kids were at WV...why were you looking across town? People make a school doc....uniforms and field turf do not. My varsity basketball uniform was 5 years old before I got it as a sophomore but when the lights were on and the band was playing and the student section was going crazy the last thing on my mind was my 5 year old nut hugging polyester uniform. as a parent volunteer you should be there for one thing. to support the kids. Does an old cruddy locker room make you less of a player. do gross bathrooms make you less of a student. I for one don't think so. You cannot deny that the parents $$ at NV had a lot to do the "nice things" there in the athletic dept. the rest of the school is just a lot newer! amenities are nice doc and equality is a great goal to have but don't carry that around that baggage...It is not worth it. please don't tell me what it is like to be a parent volunteer- I have hundreds and hundreds of hours to make that judgement. What about girls changing in back hallways before games because the girls locker room was- well it was non existent for a while. Are you OK with that ? Weight rooms - yeah right, they came after she left - gee do those make an athlete better and stronger ? What about the year a number of athletes had health related (foot issues) due to some of the nastiness- ? My daughter has been out of there for 8 years so I can look back now and criticize-- at the time we all did the best with what we had for the kids. Warrior pride always overcame but why did it have to ? To think the kids didn't notice, and it had no effect - well that's just naive. You seem to think nothing affects kids - maybe a sit down with some of them who were there before and older now would help - get their perspective, you might be surprised at the responses. I totally understand how people make a school and I put my time in- making due with what we had for eveything from sports to dances. Kids are going to notice things like uniforms that look like crap when your supposedly equal district teams look like a million bucks. Maybe you can make the call it doesn't matter, but yes it does, to the kids. I gew up on the south side of Chicago- I know all about making due... did playing football in 15-20 ( yes) year old uniforms that were so old they didn't even match the school colors any more- make me a better person ? Did growing up poor and with gangs and drugs and violence didn't make me a better person, nope, just more street smart. If performance wasn't affected by what you wear and how you look - then the military would be using uniforms from the 1970's- as well. you think there's a reason why Marines dress uniforms look the way they do? WVHS was and still is the red headed step child in 204 -- only the people and kids who did make due with less made it the proud place that it was and I believe still is. No help from anyone at HCC. To say some more help wouldn't have made that easier is denial. |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 17, 2010 22:43:21 GMT -6
Mac...more speculation about the 17 mill? I am sorry I can't explain your puzzle speculation ? Do you not think that money was spent securing the bond issue rates for the still a few years down the road MVHS ? Please FOIA the info yourself if you still want to believe it is some kind of myth |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 17, 2010 22:46:07 GMT -6
Mac...more speculation about the 17 mill? I am sorry I can't explain your puzzle Ok, I won't trouble you anymore about it. By the way, it is not a smoking gun. no - all perfectly legal. Back door / under the table, not explained to the taxpayers, but perfectly legal so can't be a smoking gun from that standpoint. But if it's not a smoking gun from a taxpayer trust standpoint- why has it not been explained to anyone except those who FOIA the details ? why does the district still keep calling MVHS a $124M high school.. it is not. It's like not counting your down payment in what a car cost you. |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 17, 2010 23:10:52 GMT -6
Doc...let me ask you when your kids were at WV...why were you looking across town? People make a school doc....uniforms and field turf do not. My varsity basketball uniform was 5 years old before I got it as a sophomore but when the lights were on and the band was playing and the student section was going crazy the last thing on my mind was my 5 year old nut hugging polyester uniform. as a parent volunteer you should be there for one thing. to support the kids. Does an old cruddy locker room make you less of a player. do gross bathrooms make you less of a student. I for one don't think so. You cannot deny that the parents $$ at NV had a lot to do the "nice things" there in the athletic dept. the rest of the school is just a lot newer! amenities are nice doc and equality is a great goal to have but don't carry that around that baggage...It is not worth it. please don't tell me what it is like to be a parent volunteer- I have hundreds and hundreds of hours to make that judgement. What about girls changing in back hallways before games because the girls locker room was- well it was non existent for a while. Are you OK with that ? Weight rooms - yeah right, they came after she left - gee do those make an athlete better and stronger ? What about the year a number of athletes had health related (foot issues) due to some of the nastiness- ? My daughter has been out of there for 8 years so I can look back now and criticize-- at the time we all did the best with what we had for the kids. Warrior pride always overcame but why did it have to ? To think the kids didn't notice, and it had no effect - well that's just naive. You seem to think nothing affects kids - maybe a sit down with some of them who were there before and older now would help - get their perspective, you might be surprised at the responses. I totally understand how people make a school and I put my time in- making due with what we had for eveything from sports to dances. Kids are going to notice things like uniforms that look like crap when your supposedly equal district teams look like a million bucks. Maybe you can make the call it doesn't matter, but yes it does, to the kids. I gew up on the south side of Chicago- I know all about making due... did playing football in 15-20 ( yes) year old uniforms that were so old they didn't even match the school colors any more- make me a better person ? Did growing up poor and with gangs and drugs and violence didn't make me a better person, nope, just more street smart. If performance wasn't affected by what you wear and how you look - then the military would be using uniforms from the 1970's- as well. you think there's a reason why Marines dress uniforms look the way they do? WVHS was and still is the red headed step child in 204 -- only the people and kids who did make due with less made it the proud place that it was and I believe still is. No help from anyone at HCC. To say some more help wouldn't have made that easier is denial. sorry if you felt I was telling you how to be a volunteer. I wasn't. I posted what I felt the Job should entail. as I told you all a few posts back I have plenty of experience with WV students and have tons of perspective....there have been tens of thousands before and after you were there. everyone had different experiences. to tell me anyone of them are emotionally scarred from changing in a hall or getting athlete's foot is laughable. It has been a long time since kids have needed a facility at the school to work out with the private instruction and clubs available today.(although I admit it is a nice thing to have.) lastly..I know kids notice things like uniforms worn by the cross town rivalry. When brought up by the players my guess is the coaches told them to go out and kick their butts and show them that a jersey doesn't make the player..... |
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Post by sashimi on Mar 18, 2010 5:40:56 GMT -6
I am already in the process of getting ready to challenge my assesed value for the upcoming cycle. The assessor's office is at the point where it has to include the period of time where housing prices took a huge dive. Combined with a very low CPI (which restricts any tax increase), the District should be looking at even less revenue next year.
They got their shiny new building, but at what cost. To listen to this board and administration attack the state is insulting. You may recall Metea was an Indian Chief who drank himself to death....Not the worst thing to take away the booze for awhile so we do not suffer the same fate.
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Post by Arch on Mar 18, 2010 6:40:51 GMT -6
There is no such thing as an unbiased person. We're all adults here. If you can't deal with that and need a babysitter to shield you from someone else's reality, then don't come here. that's garbage arch and you know it. You have a job to do as moderator and letting people know when they are out of line is one of them unless this site is just a free-for-all for those on the right side of the argument? Show me a signed copy of my 'job description'. If you require a baby sitter, go 'there' instead. As I already told you prior, I have neither the inclination nor the time. Everyone is responsible for what they post, good or bad. The only one bringing you here is you. As to this: "I never called anyone a pig but If I did I can assure you I would have caught the heel end from you two. " When have you ever been banned from here? Go ahead and call someone a pig, even me. See how much I care. If someone else wants to post back to you about it, that's their prerogative to post back...but don't go assuming what I would do in this or any other instance because you obviously don't know me as much as you think you do. |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 18, 2010 6:42:24 GMT -6
please don't tell me what it is like to be a parent volunteer- I have hundreds and hundreds of hours to make that judgement. What about girls changing in back hallways before games because the girls locker room was- well it was non existent for a while. Are you OK with that ? Weight rooms - yeah right, they came after she left - gee do those make an athlete better and stronger ? What about the year a number of athletes had health related (foot issues) due to some of the nastiness- ? My daughter has been out of there for 8 years so I can look back now and criticize-- at the time we all did the best with what we had for the kids. Warrior pride always overcame but why did it have to ? To think the kids didn't notice, and it had no effect - well that's just naive. You seem to think nothing affects kids - maybe a sit down with some of them who were there before and older now would help - get their perspective, you might be surprised at the responses. I totally understand how people make a school and I put my time in- making due with what we had for eveything from sports to dances. Kids are going to notice things like uniforms that look like crap when your supposedly equal district teams look like a million bucks. Maybe you can make the call it doesn't matter, but yes it does, to the kids. I gew up on the south side of Chicago- I know all about making due... did playing football in 15-20 ( yes) year old uniforms that were so old they didn't even match the school colors any more- make me a better person ? Did growing up poor and with gangs and drugs and violence didn't make me a better person, nope, just more street smart. If performance wasn't affected by what you wear and how you look - then the military would be using uniforms from the 1970's- as well. you think there's a reason why Marines dress uniforms look the way they do? WVHS was and still is the red headed step child in 204 -- only the people and kids who did make due with less made it the proud place that it was and I believe still is. No help from anyone at HCC. To say some more help wouldn't have made that easier is denial. sorry if you felt I was telling you how to be a volunteer. I wasn't. I posted what I felt the Job should entail. as I told you all a few posts back I have plenty of experience with WV students and have tons of perspective....there have been tens of thousands before and after you were there. everyone had different experiences. to tell me anyone of them are emotionally scarred from changing in a hall or getting athlete's foot is laughable. It has been a long time since kids have needed a facility at the school to work out with the private instruction and clubs available today.(although I admit it is a nice thing to have.) lastly..I know kids notice things like uniforms worn by the cross town rivalry. When brought up by the players my guess is the coaches told them to go out and kick their butts and show them that a jersey doesn't make the player..... You may be OK with your daughter changing in a hallway where janitors and other students can walk aroiud SD but sorry, I didn't like it. Emotionally scarred is not what I'm saying, but do they remember it, and not fondly - sorry that answer is yes. Why were they asked to be 2nd class citizens in their own SD ? Also re: working out- were you an athlete in today's world ? No - neither was I. The competition now is fierce and yes there are clubs for that - but gee, club volleyball season starts AFTER high school season - not during. Same for every other sport so the kids are NOT working out daily during that season. Maybe the kids would actually like to compete with the top teams - maybe go to state,,,or should they not shoot that high ? Because of a coaches connections the best taken care of team @ WVHS now is girls soccer-- gee how'd that work out ? - I am not sure what the heck would ever constitute anything to upset these kids to you...but we are not living in the backwoods here- or the inner city -- as people paying $8000 - $120000 /yr in property taxes in this district have a right to demand more return, at every school, not just some..or closer to even return. The age of the physical plant mattersnot if the standards are maintained as NONE of the schools in 204 qualify as anywhere near 'old'. Call then entitled...or call them whateer you like-- you would not pay $40,000 for a car and accept a 1980 Yugo in return....( just as you staunchly defend the SD 's signage demanding their money from the state to get what they have coming). As for the coaches, not likely. To the kids they would likely say it doesn't matter focus on the game, yes- behind the scenes they want more also. Why did the AD lobby for the field turf at MV ? Because anyting was good enough or because he wanted an edge ? One coach I know basically begged for the district to take one of two deals a few years back - one from Nike and the other from a local club- that included new uniforms - travel gear, equipment etc... but the district turned them down. Maybe if the ACT coprortion offered it they would have agreed, or if state funds were attached. |
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