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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 2, 2008 16:30:21 GMT -6
I wish the phrase New Waubonsie had never been coined- but the new boundaries are insinuated by the 7 so called northern schools ( really 4 ) - leaves WVHS with the lowest ISAt combo after they throw out Watts & Cowl -- I fail to see how that makes sense with all the rhetoric. I guess it means Fry 95.6 and WE 94.2 are more important to WVHS than Watts 95.0 - with all due respect to my neighbors and friends there, I find that somehow insulting to my area. Our tests scores as good as anyones over the past 4 years - yet others are more capable of turinng the perception of WVHS around ? Also many atheletes, musicicans amd very involved parents -- I guess we didn't do a good enough job. Can someone explain what I am missing here ? Exactly what part of the perception fix am I missing ? I don't think the SB sees it as WE and Fry are going to save the day at all. IMO it's about spreading the lower-achieving schools around. And the MV school is kind of not important because it will probably be in the middle of the three schools. It's about raising WV and lowering NV to narrow the gap. I am using current ISAT scores, and I see a possible boundary scenario in which, of the 7 lowest performing schools, I have 2 at Neuqua, 2 at Metea and 3 at WV. I think that WE and Fry might end up going to WV because the school board sees their ISAT's as higher than Welch's and the SB thinks Welch must stay in NV for balance and there won't be room for Fry or Petersen. That's why IMO Welch was never moved out of NV in any of the 2006 boundary proposals even though it is pretty darn close to the BB land. |
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Post by WeBe204 on Feb 2, 2008 16:38:47 GMT -6
I don't think the SB sees it as WE and Fry are going to save the day at all. Really? Huh, while I did not feel persecuted at the board meeting like a lot of SW siders. I certainly got the impression from the way board was getting so emotional at the end of the meeting the SW side is going to spark a revolution within WVHS that will produce a New WVHS. Again, just my impression. |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 2, 2008 17:01:21 GMT -6
I don't think the SB sees it as WE and Fry are going to save the day at all. Really? Huh, while I did not feel persecuted at the board meeting like a lot of SW siders. I certainly got the impression from the way board was getting so emotional at the end of the meeting the SW side is going to spark a revolution within WVHS that will produce a New WVHS. Again, just my impression. OK, I meant they are not going to save the day from their test scores alone, although they are very good and will help. I was responding to doc's question about the similarity of WE and Fry scores to Watts and why Watts wasn't "saving the day". But I do agree with you the SB thinks they might save the day because they are 'new blood' in the school and because of the higher priced homes in these areas bringing a "better" perception to WV. How sad is that? But again, I think in option 5A the school board chose to keep Welch at NV and that forced WE and Fry out of NV. The fact that those schools do have good test scores is a bonus of course. But I think if you look at it as an affluence perspective only, Welch area has some gorgeous homes as well. Why couldn't they boost the perception of WV? I think it's because they are needed at NV for their test scores. |
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Post by WeBe204 on Feb 2, 2008 17:08:22 GMT -6
Really? Huh, while I did not feel persecuted at the board meeting like a lot of SW siders. I certainly got the impression from the way board was getting so emotional at the end of the meeting the SW side is going to spark a revolution within WVHS that will produce a New WVHS. Again, just my impression. OK, I meant they are not going to save the day from their test scores, although they are very good. I was responding to doc's question about the similarity of WE and Fry scores to Watts. But I do agree with you the SB thinks they might save the day because they are 'new blood' in the school and because of the higher priced homes in these areas bringing a "better" perception to WV. How sad is that? Completely sad. But it's kind of hard to read it any other way. |
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Post by jftb on Feb 2, 2008 17:48:55 GMT -6
Really? Huh, while I did not feel persecuted at the board meeting like a lot of SW siders. I certainly got the impression from the way board was getting so emotional at the end of the meeting the SW side is going to spark a revolution within WVHS that will produce a New WVHS. Again, just my impression. OK, I meant they are not going to save the day from their test scores alone, although they are very good and will help. I was responding to doc's question about the similarity of WE and Fry scores to Watts and why Watts wasn't "saving the day". But I do agree with you the SB thinks they might save the day because they are 'new blood' in the school and because of the higher priced homes in these areas bringing a "better" perception to WV. How sad is that? But again, I think in option 5A the school board chose to keep Welch at NV and that forced WE and Fry out of NV. The fact that those schools do have good test scores is a bonus of course. But I think if you look at it as an affluence perspective only, Welch area has some gorgeous homes as well. Why couldn't they boost the perception of WV? I think it's because they are needed at NV for their test scores. A couple of points: Welch has 5.5% low income; the highest of the southern schools. This is why they will stay at NV....otherwise, there is no lower income there at all. WV is going to lose so many great schools.....Watts (sorry doc), Young, Brooks, Steck?....adding just Fry and WE and a smattering of Peterson isn't going to bring up the scores. |
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Post by casey on Feb 2, 2008 18:04:53 GMT -6
WV is going to lose so many great schools.....Watts (sorry doc), Young, Brooks, Steck?....adding just Fry and WE and a smattering of Peterson isn't going to bring up the scores. You know, it seems as if everyone forgets the basic fact that test scores don't really mean a thing. Let's face it if higher performing schools (Welch, WE, PET, or Fry) were moved into WVHS it would perhaps raise ISAT scores but what does that really mean? How would putting higher performing students there really help the lower performing students? All you're doing is masking the bottom performing kids. On paper it might look better with higher scores but the SD should be looking at ways to help those lowest performers not hide them under the scores of the high performers. It seems silly to move or not move an ES just because of ISAT test scores. What the heck is a new Waubonsie anyway? Pathetic that BG would coin such a term!  |
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Post by rew on Feb 2, 2008 18:22:12 GMT -6
Pathetic, maybe to you, but it does seem to be the new mantra
Consider this scenario
Option A:
MVHS:
HILL = BD, 50% LW, MW, COW
GRANGER = BRKS, 50%LW, YNG, MCTY
WVHS
WVGOLD = STK, GT, OW
GREGORY = CL, SB, PAT
NVHS
STILL = GOM, WHTE, WEL
SCULLEN = 50% PET, FRY, KNDL
CRONE = GRM, BU, 50% PET
Achievement Gap = 2.84, and WVHS is the highest of the three!
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 2, 2008 19:21:51 GMT -6
Pathetic, maybe to you, but it does seem to be the new mantra Consider this scenario Option A: MVHS: HILL = BD, 50% LW, MW, COW GRANGER = BRKS, 50%LW, YNG, MCTY WVHS WVGOLD = STK, GT, OW GREGORY = CL, SB, PAT NVHS STILL = GOM, WHTE, WEL SCULLEN = 50% PET, FRY, KNDL CRONE = GRM, BU, 50% PET Achievement Gap = 2.84, and WVHS is the highest of the three! No offense rew, but this scenario just proves the point of how ridiculous it is to move schools around to narrow the gap. If I were an outsider looking at that boundary plan, I would wonder why you have 2 schools literally in WV's yard and you are making them go east only to swap them with three eastern schools and make them drive by their high school to go all the way across the district to the western school? I must admit, the achievement gap is great here- JC would love this plan - but I think the SB would get a lot of flack regarding the distance commutes. The boundaries, although somewhat contiguous, are strange as well. You seem to be drawing the line at 95th Street...oh, wait, no because Patterson is going to WV and yet White Eagle which is north of 95th Street but it's going to NV....... But I appreciate you throwing it out there so we can see how silly this whole achievement gap thing is! |
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Post by d204mom on Feb 2, 2008 19:31:01 GMT -6
What the heck is a new Waubonsie anyway? Pathetic that BG would coin such a term! So will they start calling MV "Old Waubonsie"? And do any kids that were slated for "old" MV get to vote again for colors and mascott at "new" MV if they go to "new" MV? |
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Post by rew on Feb 2, 2008 19:33:56 GMT -6
No offense taken Sleepless, but I think MW going north is probably the same as SB going west.
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Post by d204mom on Feb 2, 2008 19:41:12 GMT -6
I have heard but can't verify that Daeschner has said "once they're on a bus, they're on a bus" meaning it doesn't matter if it's 10 minutes or 45 minutes.
The thing it really affects is parental involvement. If it's a 40 or 50 minute round trip are parents going to be as involved with volunteering, etc? Maybe it's different in high school than ES and MS, but I thought there was a lot of parental work going in on extra curriculars - plays/band/sports?
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Post by rew on Feb 2, 2008 19:43:12 GMT -6
How about
Option B
MVHS:
HILL = BD, LW, COW, % YNG
GRANGER = BRK, STK, %YNG, MCTY
WVHS:
WVG = GT, OW, MW
SCULLEN = FRY, PET, WHTE
NVHS
STILL = GOM, WEL, % KNDL
GREGORY = SB. CL, PAT
CRONE = GRM, %KNDL, BU
Again, the achievement gap is 2.87
Do we really know what is acceptable to the SB in terms of distance traveled? achievement gap?
All I'm saying is that once geography is out the door for one area....
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 2, 2008 20:00:53 GMT -6
Do we really know what is acceptable to the SB in terms of distance traveled? achievement gap? All I'm saying is that once geography is out the door for one area.... I don't believe that once geography is out the door for one area that means throw the whole criteria out the door. I believe the criteria is to make it fair for as many people as possible, but it can't be perfect for everyone. I admit, Watts commute will stink. But they have that commute because they are north/cental and easterly and the schools are northwest and west. I think if a plan can be made out there that sends Watts to WV, that's great and it will be looked at seriously. There aren't a lot of schools north of Watts that aren't already going to MV to consider, so naturally, they are looked at to go north. |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 2, 2008 20:07:51 GMT -6
How about Option B MVHS: HILL = BD, LW, COW, % YNG GRANGER = BRK, STK, %YNG, MCTY WVHS: WVG = GT, OW, MW SCULLEN = FRY, PET, WHTE NVHS STILL = GOM, WEL, % KNDL GREGORY = SB. CL, PAT CRONE = GRM, %KNDL, BU Again, the achievement gap is 2.87 Do we really know what is acceptable to the SB in terms of distance traveled? achievement gap? All I'm saying is that once geography is out the door for one area.... OK, I like this one. Gombert is still an island,however,  I think you have to throw the bus situation out the window with Steck and McCarty going north but I'm not an expert on bus service out there. But I like it for poor Watts. I also like that even though the ES's split for 3 years, they come back together in HS. Have you crunched enrollment numbers? post edit: Ew...I see Kendall to Still is a long commute. Is that the northern %? Do you think the board would see that as acceptable? |
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Post by momin204 on Feb 2, 2008 21:09:52 GMT -6
How about Option B MVHS: HILL = BD, LW, COW, % YNG GRANGER = BRK, STK, %YNG, MCTY WVHS: WVG = GT, OW, MW SCULLEN = FRY, PET, WHTE NVHS STILL = GOM, WEL, % KNDL GREGORY = SB. CL, PAT CRONE = GRM, %KNDL, BU Again, the achievement gap is 2.87 Do we really know what is acceptable to the SB in terms of distance traveled? achievement gap? All I'm saying is that once geography is out the door for one area.... OK, I like this one. Gombert is still an island,however, I think you have to throw the bus situation out the window with Steck and McCarty going north but I'm not an expert on bus service out there. But I like it for poor Watts. I also like that even though the ES's split for 3 years, they come back together in HS. Have you crunched enrollment numbers? post edit: Ew...I see Kendall to Still is a long commute. Is that the northern %? Do you think the board would see that as acceptable? It doesn't help Cowlishaw's ride to MV which will be just as long as MW. |
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I think you have to throw the bus situation out the window with Steck and McCarty going north but I'm not an expert on bus service out there. But I like it for poor Watts. I also like that even though the ES's split for 3 years, they come back together in HS. Have you crunched enrollment numbers?