D204 to reveal proposed Metea boundaries - Part 2

[justvote]

researching said:

justvote said:

Well done on the boundary scenario, but I honestly don't see them reassigning Welch when a portion of their boundary is literally across the street from NV. Welch is the only attendance area that can make that claim (except for the small part of Peterson east of Rte. 59). If they can somehow split off that section located adjacent to NV, then I see this as a viable solution. Although I'm fairly certain that more students in the Fry attendance area are closer to WV than the students in Welch's attendance area, I think there is definite value to no split MS, which your scenario achieves. I hope you can figure out something for AME and WV that will work as well as that.

Fry is not closer to WV than Welch at all. Fry School is located in the upper southern area of the attendance area. The very large majority of the Fry attendance area is much further than the school. Remember that the Welch attendance area backs all the way up to Costco (north of 83rd/Montgomery) therefore the large majority of the Welch attendance area are much closer to WV.

I am very familiar with that area (no, I don't live there, so I have no "agenda") and the majority of the Welch attendance area is not much closer to WV. The furthest point for the Fry attendance area is 103rd and Rte. 59 - 5.5 miles. The furthest point for Welch (95th & Book) is 6.1 miles. Now I will grant you that at the closest point, the Welch attendance area is closer to WV than Fry's closest point (3.5 miles vs. 2.9 miles), but you are exaggerating your point by saying that the majority is much closer. My guess is that the two areas probably average about the same distance to WV.

[concerned]

Funny how we were never promised anything. Why do they get special treatment, if that was promised by a SB member or administrator?

[researching]

justvote said:

researching said:

Fry is not closer to WV than Welch at all. Fry School is located in the upper southern area of the attendance area. The very large majority of the Fry attendance area is much further than the school. Remember that the Welch attendance area backs all the way up to Costco (north of 83rd/Montgomery) therefore the large majority of the Welch attendance area are much closer to WV.

I am very familiar with that area (no, I don't live there, so I have no "agenda") and the majority of the Welch attendance area is not much closer to WV. The furthest point for the Fry attendance area is 103rd and Rte. 59 - 5.5 miles. The furthest point for Welch (95th & Book) is 6.1 miles. Now I will grant you that at the closest point, the Welch attendance area is closer to WV than Fry's closest point (3.5 miles vs. 2.9 miles), but you are exaggerating your point by saying that the majority is much closer. My guess is that the two areas probably average about the same distance to WV.

I don’t think I was exaggerating my point:

I used the quickest route via Mapquest, because the shortest route for Fry would be unsafe and unrealistic as I have stated previously. I believe that we should be comparing quickest route, not only because the shortest is unsafe for Fry, but also because that will be the more realistic travel route. (i.e. When you travel to work, do you use the expressway because it is faster, or do you use side streets because it is less mileage?)

The distance from Welch Elementary to WVHS is 5.29 miles. Looking at the map, I would estimate about 75% of the Welch population lives north of Welch Elementary, which would mean that about 75% of the Welch population would have less than a 5.29 mile commute.

The distance from Fry Elementary to WVHS is 6.29 miles. Looking at the map, I would estimate that about 75% of the Fry population lives south of Fry Elementary, which would mean that about 75% of the Fry population would have longer than a 6.29 mile commute.

[gatordog]

Several posters have mentioned goal of having no split MS's. I also read that into the admins criteria. I agree the MS building capacities serve as good match to the three HS. So I used that as a starting point to set up boundary ideas. I will assume ES's could be juggled to address/minimize my split ES's (which I tried to minimize).

Here is an idea w/ Still as WV feeder and Scullen as NV feeder.

I am starting off with a hard conclusion I came to (driven by keeping MS 100% feeder to one HS). This assumes all PET goes to NV. Now for full growth of 10,200 this does mean the NV is technically overcapacity. My full growth enroll numbers (applies to both options shown below) are MV&WV both at 2800 and NV at 4600. For current ES enrollment projected to HS it has MV&WV both at 2700 and NV at 3800.

The alternative (to keep NV closer to its 4200 capacity) is to send Ashwood growth to Still and WV. I wont be so much of an island since it would b along side White Eagle.... but I chose not to do that because I didnt want to assign this area to its third closest MS. Instead, I put it in NV feeder MS. Further rationalization was, first, maybe growth numbers are too optimistic. And, second, from a bldg usage stand point...I am going to guess that the seperate bldg for NV Gold, perhaps, makes "temporary" overcrowding something that can be dealt with acceptably on the NV campus. I will just leave it for NV attendance are to remark further on that.

Still to WV/Scullen to NV Option 1:

MV
Hill: BD, 50% COWL,LONG,WATT
Granger: BR, 50% COWL, 30% MCC, 30% ST, YOU
WV
7th: GT, 80% GOM, 70% MCC, 70% ST
Still: 20% GOM, OW, 80% WELCH, WE
NV
Greg: CL, PAT, SB
Scull: 30% BU, FRY, KEN, 20% WELCH
Crone: 70% BU, GRA, PET including old WH


If you move more of the Steck/Mcc Eola corridor north....
Still to WV/Scullen to NV Option 2:

MV
Hill: BD, COWL,LONG
Granger: BR, 70% MCC, 70% ST, YOU
WV
7th: GT, 80% GOM, 30% MCC, 30% ST,WE
Still: 20% GOM, OW, 80% WELCH, WATT
NV
Greg: CL, PAT, SB
Scull: 30% BU, FRY, KEN, 20% WELCH
Crone: 70% BU, GRA, PET including old WH


Here are the balance numbers, test score then low inc:

Option 1
MV 91 7.6
WV 88 7.8
NV 94 0.5
Option 2
MV 90 8.2
WV 89 7.2
NV 94 0.5


Edit: gotta rethink this....looks like ~2/3 of Welch is walkers. I dont like moving them out of NV.

[gatordog]

Here is an idea w/ Still as NV feeder and Scullen as WV feeder.

Enroll balance turned out pretty well. My full growth enroll numbers are MV at 2800, WV at 3000 and NV at 4400. For current enrollment it has MV at 2700, WV at 2600 and NV at 3900.

Still to NV/Scullen to WV :

MV
Hill: BD, 50% COWL,LONG,WATT
Granger: BR, 50% COWL, 30% MCC, 30% ST, YOU
WV
7th: GT, 80% GOM, 70% MCC, 70% ST
Scullen: FRY, WE,PET-ash, 70% PET-old Wh
NV
Greg: CL, PAT, 50% BU
Still: 20% GOM, OW, SB, WELCH
Crone: 50% BU, GRA, KEN, 30% PET-old Wh

Here are the balance numbers, test score then low inc:
MV 91 7.6
WV 90 6.7
NV 93 2.5

[WeBe204]

gatordog said:

Here is an idea w/ Still as NV feeder and Scullen as WV feeder.

Enroll balance turned out pretty well. My full growth enroll numbers are MV at 2800, WV at 3000 and NV at 4400. For current enrollment it has MV at 2700, WV at 2600 and NV at 3900.

Still to NV/Scullen to WV :

MV
Hill: BD, 50% COWL,LONG,WATT
Granger: BR, 50% COWL, 30% MCC, 30% ST, YOU
WV
7th: GT, 80% GOM, 70% MCC, 70% ST
Scullen: FRY, WE,PET-ash, 70% PET-old Wh
NV
Greg: CL, PAT, 50% BU
Still: 20% GOM, OW, SB, WELCH
Crone: 50% BU, GRA, KEN, 30% PET-old Wh

Here are the balance numbers, test score then low inc:
MV 91 7.6
WV 90 6.7
NV 93 2.5

See, this is why I do not do models. It takes a certain amount of dedication Thanks for punching these up. One question I have is what is the variance of the test scores year over year? Or are these averages over a certain time period. If the deviations are high (like +/- 2%), I wonder if this is just a silence in time calculation?

[confused]

gatordog said:

Here is an idea w/ Still as NV feeder and Scullen as WV feeder.

Enroll balance turned out pretty well. My full growth enroll numbers are MV at 2800, WV at 3000 and NV at 4400. For current enrollment it has MV at 2700, WV at 2600 and NV at 3900.

Still to NV/Scullen to WV :

MV
Hill: BD, 50% COWL,LONG,WATT
Granger: BR, 50% COWL, 30% MCC, 30% ST, YOU
WV
7th: GT, 80% GOM, 70% MCC, 70% ST
Scullen: FRY, WE,PET-ash, 70% PET-old Wh
NV
Greg: CL, PAT, 50% BU
Still: 20% GOM, OW, SB, WELCH
Crone: 50% BU, GRA, KEN, 30% PET-old Wh

Here are the balance numbers, test score then low inc:
MV 91 7.6
WV 90 6.7
NV 93 2.5

I know this was a ton of work, GD and it does a nice job of balancing achievement. The one thing that jumps out at me in both this one and the one above is that there is a LOT of splitting of ES's. Also, Scullen is the closest MS to NV and it seems a little wild to have it be a WV feeder. It does balance the achievement well, though.

[confused]

In an effort to be able to view all options on this thread, here is the one posted by rocky yesterday:

NV (~3,600 students or 40% of the total enrollment)

Gregory (~940)
Clow (~500)
Springbrook (~680)
Builta (~710)


Crone (~900)
Graham (~720)
Kendall (~740)
Peterson (~350)

Scullen (~830)
Fry (~870)
Patterson (~780)


We need to see how this scenario would fit with filling Still, new, Granger and Hill.

[sleeplessinnpvl]

gatordog said:

Here is an idea w/ Still as NV feeder and Scullen as WV feeder.

Enroll balance turned out pretty well. My full growth enroll numbers are MV at 2800, WV at 3000 and NV at 4400. For current enrollment it has MV at 2700, WV at 2600 and NV at 3900.

Still to NV/Scullen to WV :

MV
Hill: BD, 50% COWL,LONG,WATT
Granger: BR, 50% COWL, 30% MCC, 30% ST, YOU
WV
7th: GT, 80% GOM, 70% MCC, 70% ST
Scullen: FRY, WE,PET-ash, 70% PET-old Wh
NV
Greg: CL, PAT, 50% BU
Still: 20% GOM, OW, SB, WELCH
Crone: 50% BU, GRA, KEN, 30% PET-old Wh

Here are the balance numbers, test score then low inc:
MV 91 7.6
WV 90 6.7
NV 93 2.5

Wow, thanks for crunching. I think this looks great. However, I am trying to look at this from a SB member's point of view. I like the balance of achievement/low income (#2 priority). I think there is an awful lot of split schools but it doesn't look like someone has to do both an ES split and a MS split so I guess that is my new criteria in #3 so that's OK. Also, you have some ES's that split from their friends in MS but then are reunited with their old friends in HS (ie: Cowl, Builta). That's kind of nice. What I would be saying to this is that it doesn't balance enrollment. You have NV at 3900 and WV at 2600 when I think the aim is to get NV at 3600. However, I think with this plan you have Ashwood at WV so maybe with the potential growth there, they would let this fly. But I think first they would put the 30% Pet-old Wheatland kids back at WV with everyone else because it would eliminate an ES split and put more people back in WV.

[proschool]

confused said:

gatordog said:

Here is an idea w/ Still as NV feeder and Scullen as WV feeder.

Enroll balance turned out pretty well. My full growth enroll numbers are MV at 2800, WV at 3000 and NV at 4400. For current enrollment it has MV at 2700, WV at 2600 and NV at 3900.

Still to NV/Scullen to WV :

MV
Hill: BD, 50% COWL,LONG,WATT
Granger: BR, 50% COWL, 30% MCC, 30% ST, YOU
WV
7th: GT, 80% GOM, 70% MCC, 70% ST
Scullen: FRY, WE,PET-ash, 70% PET-old Wh
NV
Greg: CL, PAT, 50% BU
Still: 20% GOM, OW, SB, WELCH
Crone: 50% BU, GRA, KEN, 30% PET-old Wh

Here are the balance numbers, test score then low inc:
MV 91 7.6
WV 90 6.7
NV 93 2.5

I know this was a ton of work, GD and it does a nice job of balancing achievement. The one thing that jumps out at me in both this one and the one above is that there is a LOT of splitting of ES's. Also, Scullen is the closest MS to NV and it seems a little wild to have it be a WV feeder. It does balance the achievement well, though.

20% gombert can fit into Owen. You can't even tell where Chicory Place ends and Thacher's grove begins. There are literally next door neighbors at two different elementary school Rrght now. That would eleminate one ES split and a railroad crossing.

[gatordog]

brad204 said:

See, this is why I do not do models. It takes a certain amount of dedication Thanks for punching these up. One question I have is what is the variance of the test scores year over year? Or are these averages over a certain time period. If the deviations are high (like +/- 2%), I wonder if this is just a silence in time calculation?

I appreciate the acknowlege meant from you, and others. I wont say it was fun.....but it was interesting!

Test scores are just a snapshop, last year's ES ISAT. Yes they are changing over time. Our district has been showing incr in lower performing schools. It might be idea at some to feed in scores from a few years ago and see the variance. I will put this on to-do list. (I dont feel like wading thru school report cards this weekend.)

[doctorwho]

gatordog said:

brad204 said:

See, this is why I do not do models. It takes a certain amount of dedication Thanks for punching these up. One question I have is what is the variance of the test scores year over year? Or are these averages over a certain time period. If the deviations are high (like +/- 2%), I wonder if this is just a silence in time calculation?

I appreciate the acknowlege meant from you, and others. I wont say it was fun.....but it was interesting!

Test scores are just a snapshop, last year's ES ISAT. Yes they are changing over time. Our district has been showing incr in lower performing schools. It might be idea at some to feed in scores from a few years ago and see the variance. I will put this on to-do list. (I dont feel like wading thru school report cards this weekend.)

GD, the spreadsheets I sent have the last 3 years - look for hidden columns

[gatordog]

confused said:

I know this was a ton of work, GD and it does a nice job of balancing achievement. The one thing that jumps out at me in both this one and the one above is that there is a LOT of splitting of ES's. Also, Scullen is the closest MS to NV and it seems a little wild to have it be a WV feeder. It does balance the achievement well, though.

Good questions, no doubt. In regard to split ES, I think this does decent job of minimizing them actually. And per proschools Gombert example, I hope the splits make sense and can be handled with ES reorganization, as proschool said.

Remember, my starting point was no split MS. Without knowing the ES plan,i think it may be very hard to 100% comply with no ES splits and no MS splits. But my primary rule here was concerning the MS's.

At the HS level the only ES splits are:
with Still as WV fdr: Steck/Mcc and Welch walkers
with Still as NV fdr: Steck/Mcc, Gombert, and Old Wheat walkers

And yes there are ES splits going into MS. That was done to balance enrollment capacities.

Concerning Scullen as WV feeder (and then Still not being WV feeder), I agree geographically it is weird. But it is a possibility and feasible. In my mind, the main feature of this is it allows for Peterson growth to go to WV, while maintaining reasonable MS assignment with no split.

The million dollar question to me is what S and SW growth do we need to plan for with these boundaries now so we dont overcrowd NV? For example, my no split MS case with Peterson going to Crone then NV had possible NV enrollment of 4600. Is this acceptable?

[WeBe204]

gatordog said:

Our district has been showing incr in lower performing schools.

Okay, this is a good reason to get over all this drama and get the board and administration focused back on education. That is not good.

[WeBe204]

gatordog said:

The million dollar question to me is what S and SW growth do we need to plan for with these boundaries now so we dont overcrowd NV? For example, my no split MS case with Peterson going to Crone then NV had possible NV enrollment of 4600. Is this acceptable?

Kinda makes you wish they would put a new school with capacity for the growth near the SW side instead of trying to re-architect the world Sorry, I could not resist.