D204 proposed Metea boundaries - Part 3

[doctorwho]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

archwinsome said:

www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=55950

Send them to the new location to celebrate it not being a "land grab"

I know I am getting off topic here, but since Arch brought up the quick take misfortune, can anyone who is knowledgeable on this subject guess what the status of things would be today if the SB HAD gotten quick take proceedings at that particular point in time? We would have been granted access to the land, right? I'm not up on this but would we have started building structures without knowing the final price tag? If so, huge financial irresponsibility on the part of the district.

you're assuming when this is all done and said it won't cost more than we would have spent had MV @ BB been started


remember - we'd almost be a year ahead building wise - so:

10% savings ( inflation ) on the building $9M
no expedite charges $5-7M
No paying the attorneys walk away $5M
No chance of damages $2M
no need to re bid - pay another
architect/builder $,5M
whateer our additional legal fee
have been over the last year

$21.5 - $23M less
you do the math --

[concerned]

Gatordog, this is why this far north site stinks IMO. The growth is in the south. This north site will cause a lot more to commute farther and make a mess of our MS.

[doctorwho]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

confused said:

I agree with you on this point, that if Fry or Welch is made to go to WV although they sit right next to NV and are walkers, then the same should apply to the schools closest to WV - they should go to MV. If the SB is going to send Watts to MV, since they are far from everything, then they should apply the same logic at NV. Springbrook is already far from NV and already on a bus and they would be contiguous with Owen. I don't think it's a fair drive for either, but I think the standard needs to be consistent.

I don't think poor Owen is contiguous with anything. Maybe the southeast tip of Watts. If you look on an elementary school boundary map, the eastern part of Owen is surrounded on the north and east by Dist. 203 and by the Springbrook Forest Preserve on the west and south. They are truly their own little island. The thing that would be the least painful for Owen east is to go to WV with Watts. Those three out there are very separate and have a lot of non-residential stuff around them. I also don't think SB is contiguous with Owen because of the forest preserve either but that's getting off the point. I personally wish all three of these schools (Owen, Watts and Cowl) could go together as a group.

oh you might get this wish - but it more likely will be to the other end of the district - not WV unfortunately for us.

There is a realtionship between Watts and the north part of Owen as well as a contiguous boundary. The areas were built at exactly the same time ( brighton Ridge area of Owen) - and went to Watts with us before Owen was built
Laughable now-- but these areas - along with WE were the South at that time and viewed as the newcomers, the johnny come latelys and all that -- which is why a lot of the people who have been here for 15+ years have kids that are friends and parents that are friends.

We would love to go to WV with Owen -

reunited the 'old south' that somehow on shaky maps supposedly is no longer even central - go figure

[doctorwho]

concerned said:

Gatordog, this is why this far north site stinks IMO. The growth is in the south. This north site will cause a lot more to commute farther and make a mess of our MS.

If the real estate market recovers in a few years ( and like all cyclical financial endeavors, it's a matter of when, not if) you may have to have future boundary movements also when the rest of the south area builds out -- don't get too attached to any school it appears

[rew]

Don't get too attached is right...Hill and Granger are the lowest enrollments

[Arch]

rew said:

Don't get too attached is right...Hill and Granger are the lowest enrollments

With it built where it is, Vroom Vroom will come up over and over on a continual basis. This will and can not be the end all be all boundary setting.

[sleeplessinnpvl]

doctorwho said:

If the real estate market recovers in a few years ( and like all cyclical financial endeavors, it's a matter of when, not if) you may have to have future boundary movements also when the rest of the south area builds out -- don't get too attached to any school it appears

Look at Dist. 203. The little cute homes of downtown Naperville that had the elderly couple w/no kids have been torn down and replaced by the McMansions with the 3.3 kids. Dist. 203 is still expanding, has trailers and was considering redistricting pre-referendum and they don't have that much vacant land out there like we do. I think cramming kids into Neuqua just so as many people can fit as possible is unfair to the kids that will already have large senior classes anyway.

In momof156grader's proposal, there are a total of 8829 kids as a current enrollment number she is using. The district has said they are aiming for a 30% 30% 40% balance. Per this proposal, I see the balance as 32% MV, 27% WV and 41% NV. So, yes it falls in the current population guidelines, although in my opinion WV is underutilized. But with future growth to occur, the 41% NV number will grow and that means redistricting down the road, IMO. So if the growth is to occur in Builta and Petersen, then if they both go to NV, that 40% has to be much lower so we'll have to kick some more people out of Neuqua. If Builta and Petersen go to different schools, then the growth is put between two schools, not one. And if Builta really doesn't have that much projected growth, then if Petersen is to be at Neuqua also, that 40% should be on the low side, not the 41%+ side. More students need to be shifted over to WV in this proposal.

[proschool]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

doctorwho said:

If the real estate market recovers in a few years ( and like all cyclical financial endeavors, it's a matter of when, not if) you may have to have future boundary movements also when the rest of the south area builds out -- don't get too attached to any school it appears

Look at Dist. 203. The little cute homes of downtown Naperville that had the elderly couple w/no kids have been torn down and replaced by the McMansions with the 3.3 kids. Dist. 203 is still expanding, has trailers and was considering redistricting pre-referendum and they don't have that much vacant land out there like we do. I think cramming kids into Neuqua just so as many people can fit as possible is unfair to the kids that will already have large senior classes anyway.

In momof156grader's proposal, there are a total of 8829 kids as a current enrollment number she is using. The district has said they are aiming for a 30% 30% 40% balance. Per this proposal, I see the balance as 32% MV, 27% WV and 41% NV. So, yes it falls in the current population guidelines, although in my opinion WV is underutilized. But with future growth to occur, the 41% NV number will grow and that means redistricting down the road, IMO. So if the growth is to occur in Builta and Petersen, then if they both go to NV, that 40% has to be much lower so we'll have to kick some more people out of Neuqua. If Builta and Petersen go to different schools, then the growth is put between two schools, not one. And if Builta really doesn't have that much projected growth, then if Petersen is to be at Neuqua also, that 40% should be on the low side, not the 41%+ side. More students need to be shifted over to WV in this proposal.

Except for Peterson, the NV feeder elementary schools are very crowded already. Future growth may have to go into go into WV feeders like Owen. I think its time to make a shift Welsh north of 87th right now.

[gatordog]

concerned said:

Gatordog, this is why this far north site stinks IMO. The growth is in the south. This north site will cause a lot more to commute farther and make a mess of our MS.

And the SD has supported this growth in the south. There are new, nearby schools (Peterson, Crone). The possible further commutes that you point out only apply 9-12 grade. K-8 gr your area has short, easy commutes.

And a 50/50 split MS, to me, is not a mess. (I think it has some nice benefits, actually)

[concerned]

gatordog said:

concerned said:

Gatordog, this is why this far north site stinks IMO. The growth is in the south. This north site will cause a lot more to commute farther and make a mess of our MS.

And the SD has supported this growth in the south. There are new, nearby schools (Peterson, Crone). The possible further commutes that you point out only apply 9-12 grade. K-8 gr your area has short, easy commutes.

And a 50/50 split MS, to me, is not a mess. (I think it has some nice benefits, actually)

I am not just talking about just the south having long commutes, but Watt, Cowl, Owen. They had to build those schools in the south, otherwise where would these kids go to school? I don't believe the boundaries should make a mess out ANY of the schools.

[confused]

proschool said:

sleeplessinnpvl said:

Look at Dist. 203. The little cute homes of downtown Naperville that had the elderly couple w/no kids have been torn down and replaced by the McMansions with the 3.3 kids. Dist. 203 is still expanding, has trailers and was considering redistricting pre-referendum and they don't have that much vacant land out there like we do. I think cramming kids into Neuqua just so as many people can fit as possible is unfair to the kids that will already have large senior classes anyway.

In momof156grader's proposal, there are a total of 8829 kids as a current enrollment number she is using. The district has said they are aiming for a 30% 30% 40% balance. Per this proposal, I see the balance as 32% MV, 27% WV and 41% NV. So, yes it falls in the current population guidelines, although in my opinion WV is underutilized. But with future growth to occur, the 41% NV number will grow and that means redistricting down the road, IMO. So if the growth is to occur in Builta and Petersen, then if they both go to NV, that 40% has to be much lower so we'll have to kick some more people out of Neuqua. If Builta and Petersen go to different schools, then the growth is put between two schools, not one. And if Builta really doesn't have that much projected growth, then if Petersen is to be at Neuqua also, that 40% should be on the low side, not the 41%+ side. More students need to be shifted over to WV in this proposal.

Except for Peterson, the NV feeder elementary schools are very crowded already. Future growth may have to go into go into WV feeders like Owen. I think its time to make a shift Welsh north of 87th right now.

I'm curious about when the supposed bubble is scheduled to end. Many of the communities which feed NV I would think are maxed out and on the decline - Clow, Ashbury, River Run, Clow Creek Farm, Harmony Grove and High Meadow are all approaching 20 years old - I see these schools' enrollment declining. With the CNR expansion going inn, Ashwood may not grow as quickly as predicted. Even the Welch area with Stillwater has got to be peaking. The Fry community is also completely built and probably peaked. It almost seems like it might even be a wash. Any thoughts on this? The new growth at Builta and Peterson might just keep the student density status quo.

[pof2]

If you take a look at the list of number of kids by grade in each school. The numbers of seniors versus the number of kindergartners are decreasing. So in X number of years the schools will be smaller...Let's face it, not many new parents can afford these Naperville prices

[Arch]

pof2 said:

If you take a look at the list of number of kids by grade in each school. The numbers of seniors versus the number of kindergartners are decreasing. So in X number of years the schools will be smaller...Let's face it, not many new parents can afford these Naperville prices

It would be better to eyeball 1st or second grade until All Day K gets going. Right now, many kids who would be in All Day K at 204 (if it existed everywhere) are taking it elsewhere and are not on the radar screen yet.

[gatordog]

concerned said:

I am not just talking about just the south having long commutes, but Watt, Cowl, Owen. They had to build those schools in the south, otherwise where would these kids go to school? I don't believe the boundaries should make a mess out ANY of the schools.

I agree, concerned. I think you identified the neighborhoods with the biggest concerns. I hope we allow the Admin and SB to concentrate on this very problem. To be frank, I hope we dont distract them with perceived boundary issues in the SW, and perhaps elsewhere. I think we can do that if we as parents and citizens think about the district-wide picture and show the SB that even if we get our personal 2nd choice of MS or HS or whatever, as long as it meets reasonable criteria, we are willing to move forward with all of 204.

[doctorwho]

gatordog said:

concerned said:

I am not just talking about just the south having long commutes, but Watt, Cowl, Owen. They had to build those schools in the south, otherwise where would these kids go to school? I don't believe the boundaries should make a mess out ANY of the schools.

I agree, concerned. I think you identified the neighborhoods with the biggest concerns. I hope we allow the Admin and SB to concentrate on this very problem. To be frank, I hope we dont distract them with perceived boundary issues in the SW, and perhaps elsewhere. I think we can do that if we as parents and citizens think about the district-wide picture and show the SB that even if we get our personal 2nd choice of MS or HS or whatever, as long as it meets reasonable criteria, we are willing to move forward with all of 204.

That's the criteria I'd like to see - no one gets worse than their 2nd choice. As many as can get their closest school- more power to them, but no one should get #3.