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Post by jenrik2714 on Jan 18, 2008 15:56:47 GMT -6
This is why we have such maladjusted kids in the area
I am sorry, I had to cross a busy street to get to my high school. I survived.
It was even worse in the city.
Alot of city kids go to high school outside their area and they manage to survive.
Who cares if they don't go to school with their middle school friends
Half of them end up splitting anyway from the group plus they make other friends.
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Post by 204parent on Jan 18, 2008 18:32:28 GMT -6
The wheatland preschool only houses a couple classes. Sixteen kids a class, 5 special ed in each class. The rest of the building is filled with admin. The shoreline location is at capacity. I thought I read in a letter from the principal that they have over 700+ kids now.   |
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Post by jenrik2714 on Jan 18, 2008 18:57:57 GMT -6
LOL ;D  The wheatland preschool only houses a couple classes. Sixteen kids a class, 5 special ed in each class. The rest of the building is filled with admin. The shoreline location is at capacity. I thought I read in a letter from the principal that they have over 700+ kids now. |
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Post by proschool on Jan 18, 2008 21:52:59 GMT -6
I just want to thank everyone for the advice. If your kids feel no need to go to high school with the kids they knew from 8th grade then good for them, but from what I hear they may be the minority. My fifth grader is already thinking about high school and she is looking forward to being there with kids that she knows.
This all reminds me of the boundary meeting when my first grade daughter and later my kindergartner were slated to travel over 6 miles to elementray school inspite of the fact that there were 19 (not 2) elementary school closer to my house. I remember commitee members (who weren't affected) standing up and talking how great the bus ride can be and when how when they were kids they loved riding the bus...yada, yada, yada. Guess what? My kids don't like the bus.
There were ways place the kids at a closer school but they either caused a split in the middle schools or interrupted the kids in the south of the district. None of it was true.
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Post by macy on Jan 18, 2008 22:02:51 GMT -6
proschool,
I agree that the district should try to reduce the splits at the middle school level as they look at redistricting possibilities with the AME site.
While I acknowledge there will have to be some middle schools that are split, I'm of the opinion that the district should keep those splits at middle school to a minimum. Hill, for example, in BB boundaries was unfortunate. I can empathize with the parents of children that attended that school, especially the Brookdale folks. I would not have been happy in that scenario.
I realize some disagree. Just my opinion.
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Post by proschool on Jan 18, 2008 23:08:54 GMT -6
proschool, I agree that the district should try to reduce the splits at the middle school level as they look at redistricting possibilities with the AME site. While I acknowledge there will have to be some middle schools that are split, I'm of the opinion that the district should keep those splits at middle school to a minimum. Hill, for example, in BB boundaries was unfortunate. I can empathize with the parents of children that attended that school, especially the Brookdale folks. I would not have been happy in that scenario. I realize some disagree. Just my opinion. BB boundaries never addressed the middle schools but i pointed out that the school district plan would have split no less than six of the seven middle schools. Additionally Cowlishaw is split between Hill and Granger and then the exact same students would have gone to Metea while thier Granger friend went to WV. Splitting middle schools was not necessary at BB. I showed this with the Proto and Proschool Boundary proposals ( I may have had one split I forget). You can say that splitting is not an issue for your kid and that's fine but no tell me its not an issue for anyone's kid. It's talked about every time boundaries come up. |
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Post by gatordog on Jan 19, 2008 9:02:11 GMT -6
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Post by gatordog on Jan 19, 2008 9:25:58 GMT -6
Avenging Eagle: ......they'll end up closing WV and sending everyone to MV. Talk about some long commutes then... Talk about closing WV anytime soon is wild specuation. And doesnt make sense at all to me. Make a comparison to other schools around us. Avg school enrollement for the other nine Upstate Eight conference schools is 2400. About the same size as Naperville N and Cntr. And Oswego school, and Plainfield..... When 204 HS enrollment starts "dipping" from 9,500 or 10,000 to 7,500.....then lets come back and start the discussion of considering going back to two HS's. |
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Post by fence on Jan 19, 2008 12:01:32 GMT -6
So if we concede that this school is going to be built, and we concede that AME is the site, the northern part of the district seems generally OK with the location. (this assumes that the SD provides proper and satisfactory assurances of AME's environ. safety)
The remaining issues then seem to be a harsh commute for some of the central folks, the same nagging balance problem with WV, and disappointed folks in the SW that thought they were going to the new school.
These limit our problems to boundary issues and PR. Who can come up with a way for as much as possible our central elementary schools to attend WV (our new central HS), and in the process, balance the scores as much as possible?
I am not even sure this is possible, but could some of the northwest non-walkers move to MV? This may create a similar problem to schools bordering NV being sent to WV, but the upside is that they do attend the new school. And the challenge is going to be, as we knew, filling a northern site, when the crowding problems seem to be mainly in the south. Maybe there is no alternative but to disrupt the north central area....
Regardless, we new Warriors need to commit to being in the power position for WV's image- cranking out public spirit and positive PR for the school instead of bailing out and going private....
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Post by gatordog on Jan 19, 2008 13:31:42 GMT -6
So if we concede that this school is going to be built, and we concede that AME is the site, the northern part of the district seems generally OK with the location. (this assumes that the SD provides proper and satisfactory assurances of AME's environ. safety) The remaining issues then seem to be a harsh commute for some of the central folks, the same nagging balance problem with WV, and disappointed folks in the SW that thought they were going to the new school. These limit our problems to boundary issues and PR. Who can come up with a way for as much as possible our central elementary schools to attend WV (our new central HS), and in the process, balance the scores as much as possible? I am not even sure this is possible, but could some of the northwest non-walkers move to MV? This may create a similar problem to schools bordering NV being sent to WV, but the upside is that they do attend the new school. And the challenge is going to be, as we knew, filling a northern site, when the crowding problems seem to be mainly in the south. Maybe there is no alternative but to disrupt the north central area.... Regardless, we new Warriors need to commit to being in the power position for WV's image- cranking out public spirit and positive PR for the school instead of bailing out and going private.... good post, fence. let me run a little with your "if"... I like your idea of new Warriors. And new Warriors will make it a new Waubonsie Valley. After a north HS is built (and filled with some of the central parts --Watts, Cowl, Owen, Gombert, Mcc, Steck area...), a big portion of WV will indeed be the new Warriors. For me, numbers help, too, to see it as a new WV. At BB with actual boundaries, we were going to have both MV and WV with feeder test scores ~90 and 6-7% low income. And no matter how you rearrange boundaries (and as several here know...I've tried many ways), StJ will also produce MV and WV with similar makeup of scores ~90, 7% low income. (The balance wont change much, regardless of which portions of the central are sent) I think the new Warriors will be getting a school that is in reality a lot like the great opportunity and great enviroment they would have had at a MV at BB. It just wont be the one with new bricks also (how important to our kids education?). Just as I hope new Mustangs are excited about startiing I new school, I hope the new Warriors come to be excited about starting what will also be new school . |
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Post by scarbroughknight on Jan 19, 2008 13:38:01 GMT -6
This is why we have such maladjusted kids in the area I am sorry, I had to cross a busy street to get to my high school. I survived. It was even worse in the city. Alot of city kids go to high school outside their area and they manage to survive. Who cares if they don't go to school with their middle school friends Half of them end up splitting anyway from the group plus they make other friends. Very good post Jen. Too many people in this district are concerned over small meaningless things like crossing railroad tracks and having to drive a few miles longer. No one questioned those things while we were growing up. I walked a mile to and back from New Trier West High School and that included walking over a bridge over the Edens Expressway. We were a better rounded and tougher group of kids then what we are raising. |
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Post by scarbroughknight on Jan 19, 2008 13:41:28 GMT -6
So if we concede that this school is going to be built, and we concede that AME is the site, the northern part of the district seems generally OK with the location. (this assumes that the SD provides proper and satisfactory assurances of AME's environ. safety) The remaining issues then seem to be a harsh commute for some of the central folks, the same nagging balance problem with WV, and disappointed folks in the SW that thought they were going to the new school. These limit our problems to boundary issues and PR. Who can come up with a way for as much as possible our central elementary schools to attend WV (our new central HS), and in the process, balance the scores as much as possible? I am not even sure this is possible, but could some of the northwest non-walkers move to MV? This may create a similar problem to schools bordering NV being sent to WV, but the upside is that they do attend the new school. And the challenge is going to be, as we knew, filling a northern site, when the crowding problems seem to be mainly in the south. Maybe there is no alternative but to disrupt the north central area.... Regardless, we new Warriors need to commit to being in the power position for WV's image- cranking out public spirit and positive PR for the school instead of bailing out and going private.... good post, fence. let me run a little with your "if"... I like your idea of new Warriors. And new Warriors will make it a new Waubonsie Valley. After a north HS is built (and filled with some of the central parts --Watts, Cowl, Owen, Gombert, Mcc, Steck area...), a big portion of WV will indeed be the new Warriors. For me, numbers help, too, to see it as a new WV. At BB with actual boundaries, we were going to have both MV and WV with feeder test scores ~90 and 6-7% low income. And no matter how you rearrange boundaries (and as several here know...I've tried many ways), StJ will also produce MV and WV with similar makeup of scores ~90, 7% low income. (The balance wont change much, regardless of which portions of the central are sent) I think the new Warriors will be getting a school that is in reality a lot like the great opportunity and great enviroment they would have had at a MV at BB. It just wont be the one with new bricks also (how important to our kids education?). Just as I hope new Mustangs are excited about startiing I new school, I hope the new Warriors come to be excited about starting what will also be new school . This attitude is just what we need. Proud to be a new Warrior. |
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Post by Arch on Jan 19, 2008 13:46:47 GMT -6
This is why we have such maladjusted kids in the area I am sorry, I had to cross a busy street to get to my high school. I survived. It was even worse in the city. Alot of city kids go to high school outside their area and they manage to survive. Who cares if they don't go to school with their middle school friends Half of them end up splitting anyway from the group plus they make other friends. Very good post Jen. Too many people in this district are concerned over small meaningless things like crossing railroad tracks and having to drive a few miles longer. No one questioned those things while we were growing up. I walked a mile to and back from New Trier West High School and that included walking over a bridge over the Edens Expressway. We were a better rounded and tougher group of kids then what we are raising. No one questioned lead, mercury, asbestos, smoking, pollution in general or even box cutters on an aircraft either. Over time we learn new things about what was once deemed acceptable. |
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Post by doctorwho on Jan 19, 2008 13:52:05 GMT -6
good post, fence. let me run a little with your "if"... I like your idea of new Warriors. And new Warriors will make it a new Waubonsie Valley. After a north HS is built (and filled with some of the central parts --Watts, Cowl, Owen, Gombert, Mcc, Steck area...), a big portion of WV will indeed be the new Warriors. For me, numbers help, too, to see it as a new WV. At BB with actual boundaries, we were going to have both MV and WV with feeder test scores ~90 and 6-7% low income. And no matter how you rearrange boundaries (and as several here know...I've tried many ways), StJ will also produce MV and WV with similar makeup of scores ~90, 7% low income. (The balance wont change much, regardless of which portions of the central are sent) I think the new Warriors will be getting a school that is in reality a lot like the great opportunity and great enviroment they would have had at a MV at BB. It just wont be the one with new bricks also (how important to our kids education?). Just as I hope new Mustangs are excited about startiing I new school, I hope the new Warriors come to be excited about starting what will also be new school . This attitude is just what we need. Proud to be a new Warrior. What about those being forced out of being a Warrior - when geographically they should not be-- we are proud Warriors also- and have been for 20+ years. We know how great the school is already. We do not have to be sold. Not all of us are enamored with a shiny new school - nowhere near our home - we really didn't want to go to BB either - but were willing because it was the closest- so really hard to argue. |
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Post by fence on Jan 19, 2008 14:54:27 GMT -6
So if we concede that this school is going to be built, and we concede that AME is the site, the northern part of the district seems generally OK with the location. (this assumes that the SD provides proper and satisfactory assurances of AME's environ. safety) The remaining issues then seem to be a harsh commute for some of the central folks, the same nagging balance problem with WV, and disappointed folks in the SW that thought they were going to the new school. These limit our problems to boundary issues and PR. Who can come up with a way for as much as possible our central elementary schools to attend WV (our new central HS), and in the process, balance the scores as much as possible? I am not even sure this is possible, but could some of the northwest non-walkers move to MV? This may create a similar problem to schools bordering NV being sent to WV, but the upside is that they do attend the new school. And the challenge is going to be, as we knew, filling a northern site, when the crowding problems seem to be mainly in the south. Maybe there is no alternative but to disrupt the north central area.... Regardless, we new Warriors need to commit to being in the power position for WV's image- cranking out public spirit and positive PR for the school instead of bailing out and going private.... good post, fence. let me run a little with your "if"... I like your idea of new Warriors. And new Warriors will make it a new Waubonsie Valley. After a north HS is built (and filled with some of the central parts --Watts, Cowl, Owen, Gombert, Mcc, Steck area...), a big portion of WV will indeed be the new Warriors. For me, numbers help, too, to see it as a new WV. At BB with actual boundaries, we were going to have both MV and WV with feeder test scores ~90 and 6-7% low income. And no matter how you rearrange boundaries (and as several here know...I've tried many ways), StJ will also produce MV and WV with similar makeup of scores ~90, 7% low income. (The balance wont change much, regardless of which portions of the central are sent) I think the new Warriors will be getting a school that is in reality a lot like the great opportunity and great enviroment they would have had at a MV at BB. It just wont be the one with new bricks also (how important to our kids education?). Just as I hope new Mustangs are excited about startiing I new school, I hope the new Warriors come to be excited about starting what will also be new school . I hope so too. Just trying to think of ways to minimize the disruption, but I guess that's just not possible. At least Hill may stay together even though it is going to be hardest on that area. And I do think that Welch should move with Scullen to WV and Peterson with Crone to NV - that at least keeps groups intact and makes more sense logistically. Anyway, I generally do think it is a plus to keep middle schools together. I told my son about this change of sites (since he was going to go to MV and now its WV) and all he asked was which kids would be there. That's all the kids really care about. The parents care about all the rest.... PS - do you really think McCarty, Steck and Gombert would go north per your post? How does that sit with those areas? |
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