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Post by Arch on Apr 10, 2008 19:00:21 GMT -6
Odd... This letter from MWGEN comes from a VP of technical services... Searching for his history, it looks like he consummates agreements with another version of their company on a slip of paper.. not land deals.. www.secinfo.com/dVut2.1gZ5.v.htm"BACKGROUND Fred W. McCluskey has been Vice President of Midwest Generation, LLC since July 1999. Mr. McCluskey has been vice president of Technical Service and Partnership Management of Edison Mission Energy since January 2003. From August 2000 to January 2003, Mr. McCluskey was vice president of Business Management. From November 1998 to August 2000, Mr. McCluskey was regional vice president of Business Development." investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=10159311Hmm... I need to do some more digging to figure out their angle (MWGEN's), but they mentioned a potential sale as being a threat to their business interests and reputation. Is that what you're reading in there?! Yes, I finished War and Peace.  |
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Post by rural on Apr 10, 2008 19:01:22 GMT -6
It easily takes that long if not longer for Elementary kids in Ginger Woods to get to Nancy Young each day. ETA: Butterfield to Brooks or Granger about the same. True. How long does it take Owen West to get to Owen? I would guess it's longer than that and it's roughly 2/3 of the school. Does Ginger Woods make up 2/3 of Young? Same with Butterfield - is it a huge subdivision that makes up the bulk of Brooks? I'm asking, I honestly don't know the answer. I'm not a numbers person. I don't know the breakdown. I couldn't even tell you how many houses there are in Ginger Woods. I just know where it is. Butterfield is a large area of homes. Again, I wouldn't even try to guess percentages. The only point I'm trying to make is that there are many other kids in the district much younger than HS who have to travel as far if not farther than Fryfox's area will need to in order to get to WV. I didn't mean to turn this into a my kid has a tougher commute than yours argument. My apologies. |
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Post by we4 on Apr 10, 2008 19:08:55 GMT -6
Holy Cow (Phil Rizzuto not Harry Caray), this whole thing is nuts.
I am not telling my kids where they are going to high school. My oldest will find out the first day of school 2011 when the bus drops her off at the hs doors.
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Post by rural on Apr 10, 2008 19:09:03 GMT -6
Is that what you're reading in there?! Yes, I finished War and Peace. Arch, you really need to get some more fiber in your diet. |
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Post by rural on Apr 10, 2008 19:10:37 GMT -6
Holly Cow (Phil Rizzuto not Harry Caray), this whole thing is nuts. I am not telling my kids where they are going to high school. My oldest will find out the first day of school 2011 when the bus drops her off at the hs doors. It's like the weather in Chicago: wait 15 minutes and it will change! |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 10, 2008 19:12:30 GMT -6
True. How long does it take Owen West to get to Owen? I would guess it's longer than that and it's roughly 2/3 of the school. Does Ginger Woods make up 2/3 of Young? Same with Butterfield - is it a huge subdivision that makes up the bulk of Brooks? I'm asking, I honestly don't know the answer. I'm not a numbers person. I don't know the breakdown. I couldn't even tell you how many houses there are in Ginger Woods. I just know where it is. Butterfield is a large area of homes. Again, I wouldn't even try to guess percentages. The only point I'm trying to make is that there are many other kids in the district much younger than HS who have to travel as far if not farther than Fryfox's area will need to in order to get to WV. I didn't mean to turn this into a my kid has a tougher commute than yours argument. My apologies. The argument is more about - what are we going to fix for $150M vs what are we going to make worse. I hear about bad commutes, then we turn around and add a HS and a MS and make commutes worse for a LOT of people - doesn't matter who they are. That's just nonsense. We were supposed to address ALL boundaries, and what do we do - add another satellite location for an ES 6 miles from it's front door. SO I agree with you - look at what they did to those families - K-5 kids traveling 5-6 miles ( all 30 of them) - and I am told that " well they are isolated from their community ( across north Aurora Ave btw) - and don't have play dates there" SO they are going to have playdates 1/2 and hour from their home ? All 5 of them per grade level ? That's the best this staff can do ? We have admin out the wazoo and this is it ? We talk about not splitting ES's and what do we do, split Owen & Gombert & Peterson. Geez, people in this district seem to have spent more time on the boundaries on the options sent in, then those who are paid to do so. This is something everyone should be ticked about... |
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Post by jftb on Apr 10, 2008 19:14:05 GMT -6
Reading my post, I want to clarify that I don't hold it against people in the north who would be mad if MV moves out of the Eola site (which maybe it won't). I totally understand. My point is that people all over this district seem to feel the same way.....do we really have to have such animosity toward each other? My read of the other board is not that they are pissed because they "lost" their school. They are PISSED because we may end up with No School. They are not angry at any particular area, just one particular group. ETA: Anyone sincerely interested can visit the green board anytime. ip204.proboards92.com/index.cgiI think reading the Green board is imperative to understanding all of these issues. I've said so before. There is no "right" side. I'm still bummed there was a split, quite frankly, it takes so much more time to read two boards. My point once again is that we need to stop bashing each other and see where all of this contention really comes from: our absolutely INCOMPETENT school board. And I really do not think there will be no school. Why would you even say that? There is land available and there is money. Why wouldn't we have a school? |
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Post by jftb on Apr 10, 2008 19:15:57 GMT -6
Reading the green board, everyone over there is now all ticked off that they might lose "their" school. I got nasty smiting when I pointed out that it is very difficult to feel you've lost the school you once thought you were attending. Really, isn't it the same thing everyone in TG and WE have been feeling? First they were at NV, then were booted out to MV, then were tossed to WV....and they were awful for being upset about it. What was the word, entitlement? Now the people in the north are upset about the same exact thing, but they're justified? I don't understand. I really don't. They're over there writing about "don't worry, tomorrow we'll be happy again," and hey, that's great, whatever, but it just seems that we're all a heck of a lot more alike than anyone really thinks. I get that they feel that a group of parents in TG/WE wrecked it for them, and they're ticked off, but that's how TG/WE feel about the SB, am I right? it's exactly like people who lost their school at BB and then get sent as far from their home as possible - and on top of that to an unsafe site -- but there is a group who plays holier than thou, and we're only for the whole district. It simply is not true, but they demonize other areas... Yes, Doc....should have included Watts in my earlier comment. Y'all were just as messed with as anyone else. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 10, 2008 19:23:44 GMT -6
it's exactly like people who lost their school at BB and then get sent as far from their home as possible - and on top of that to an unsafe site -- but there is a group who plays holier than thou, and we're only for the whole district. It simply is not true, but they demonize other areas... Yes, Doc....should have included Watts in my earlier comment. Y'all were just as messed with as anyone else. thanks -- there were a number of areas totally screwed over and we were ertainly one of them , yet the SB still thinks only 200 people are angry....just a total lack of comprehension of the situation. People not as involved before were asking after the Watts PTA meeting, don't they understand, don't they care ? Hard for some of us to answer those questions....we can't figure it out either. |
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Post by rural on Apr 10, 2008 19:33:01 GMT -6
My read of the other board is not that they are pissed because they "lost" their school. They are PISSED because we may end up with No School. They are not angry at any particular area, just one particular group. ETA: Anyone sincerely interested can visit the green board anytime. ip204.proboards92.com/index.cgiI think reading the Green board is imperative to understanding all of these issues. I've said so before. There is no "right" side. I'm still bummed there was a split, quite frankly, it takes so much more time to read two boards. My point once again is that we need to stop bashing each other and see where all of this contention really comes from: our absolutely INCOMPETENT school board. And I really do not think there will be no school. Why would you even say that? There is land available and there is money. Why wouldn't we have a school? A SB unwilling to negotiate with BB. A lawsuit claiming BB or nothing. (Okay, even I think that one's funny ;D) A time frame quickly slipping away. Really how bad will it be? Cram them in there for a few years. Bubble breaks and all is good in the district again. It will only hurt for a little while.  CFO must be grinning ear to ear. |
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Post by blankcheck on Apr 10, 2008 19:40:46 GMT -6
I don't think CFO is grinning right now. I don't think anyone is grinning right now.
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Post by d204mom on Apr 10, 2008 19:45:46 GMT -6
If we don't build a high school at all we're still guaranteed to spend at a rock bottom minimum $5M plus BB damages plus what we've already spent on this mess.
For nothing.
It really makes me sick to think about it.
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Post by proschool on Apr 10, 2008 19:58:09 GMT -6
I do believe they were talking to Calvary. Back when they offered Brach Brodie $20M for 40 acres and BB said no. Where is the 25 acres we now own? Is it adjacent to Calvary? It looks like there's also a retention are just north of the Church as well. Anyone have a really big shoe horn? I wish I could cut and paste a map for you. Calvary owns 40 acres south of the 25 the sd owns. The BB land was the other 55 acres north of the 25 acres the sd owns. The Calvary Land is undeveloped except of some sort of maintenance shed and a bit of land that they leveled off for an athletic field. It is exactly north of Stonehaven subdivision and west of the Calvary parking lot and that little bit of water retention that you see. It extends north to the level of 79th Street. Calvary is actually better than BB because it is closer to the walkers and leaves everything adjacent to 75th street available for commercial development. |
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Post by d204mom on Apr 10, 2008 20:12:55 GMT -6
Hey I just thought of something. If they don't build the 3rd high school at all, how will they return the money?
Have they already spent some of it? Do they have to return the $8M in bond premiums issued, too?
Can they just pay the bonds off with the money they were issued? Can you just pay them off early like your mortgage with no penalty?
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Post by jftb on Apr 10, 2008 20:29:13 GMT -6
I think reading the Green board is imperative to understanding all of these issues. I've said so before. There is no "right" side. I'm still bummed there was a split, quite frankly, it takes so much more time to read two boards. My point once again is that we need to stop bashing each other and see where all of this contention really comes from: our absolutely INCOMPETENT school board. And I really do not think there will be no school. Why would you even say that? There is land available and there is money. Why wouldn't we have a school? A SB unwilling to negotiate with BB. A lawsuit claiming BB or nothing. (Okay, even I think that one's funny ;D) A time frame quickly slipping away. Really how bad will it be? Cram them in there for a few years. Bubble breaks and all is good in the district again. It will only hurt for a little while. CFO must be grinning ear to ear. Again, look at what you've said...."A SB unwilling to negotiate with BB"......it's our School Board and their egos!!!!!!! They've been the issue all along, yet they've stood by watching this community trash each other hoping no one would ever see the real problem. If it really is a bubble, why are we building a $150 million dollar school? What are we doing? Do you really believe that? If that's true, we're making a very costly mistake. Not that our school board hasn't spent a GREAT DEAL of our money with absolutely nothing to show for it.... |
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CFO must be grinning ear to ear.