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Post by snerdley on Apr 17, 2008 5:28:09 GMT -6
I got the same impression 3woodgal. By the way, thanks for coming tonight! The Fry community appreciated having you there. You are very welcome. I had to come and see for myself what all this talk is about the "bad people in the South". Seemed like a great group of parents to me. I was surprised to hear CB state he felt sorry for you all though.....or whatever term he used for the heat that is misplaced at your subdivision. I was taken aback when he told the crowd that all the other elementaries except one have a negative perception of the Fry community. Now how would he know that? Did they send out a "Do you hate Fry" survey rather than the A/C one they had planned to? "Sorry, we're too busy trying to figure out the level of hatred toward the Fry community that we have helped foster to follow up on that pesky AC problem right now." What I really think (and thanks for the laugh AE - that was some funny stuff!) is that they might have made up the emails that would "curl your hair" (or was it ears?!). Or it's entirely possible they came from some other area to create a problem. I smelled a rat on this from the first we heard of it at the site selection meeting. But at the end of the day, IMO the "emails" were used as justification for instituting Option 6. That's what they wanted all along (a new WVHS), but the referendum would not have passed. Well, sorry, folks, even if they received some hateful email, it shouldn't cause the SB or district to do anything differently than what was otherwise in the best interest of the district and kids. Otherwise, it's retaliation. And to use the "delphi logic" that someone brought up yesterday, now we're supposed to feel bad that the rest of the district doesn't like us. So why would he say this? Well, if only NSFOC would drop the lawsuit, everyone would like us again! I'm not a leader or member of NSFOC, but I don't think CB telling those who may have been in the crowd that he "felt sorry for us" will cause them to call off the dogs. On a positive note, I know the meeting went late and it did seem he was trying his best to answer the questions. |
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Post by fryfox on Apr 17, 2008 5:55:18 GMT -6
Quoting Snerdley: "But at the end of the day, IMO the "emails" were used as justification for instituting Option 6. That's what they wanted all along (a new WVHS), but the referendum would not have passed. Well, sorry, folks, even if they received some hateful email, it shouldn't cause the SB or district to do anything differently than what was otherwise in the best interest of the district and kids. Otherwise, it's retaliation.
And to use the "delphi logic" that someone brought up yesterday, now we're supposed to feel bad that the rest of the district doesn't like us. So why would he say this? Well, if only NSFOC would drop the lawsuit, everyone would like us again! "
this is all IMO: It's funny to be reading this because I was laying in bed thinking of all of this in a whole new light. In the scenario I'm seeing, boy is Dash &/or the SB smart. Why did AME finally decide to sell all of the land to the district? They are an African American church and they were upset that a group motivated by racism and elitism was stopping the district's ability to build a school.
Back to what you are talking about snerdley: In January we heard about emails that would scald your ears. The SB knew TG/WE did not want to leave NV because of the previous boundary discussions. What a better area to rezone to WV. They were sure we'd be outspoken and fired up. Add fuel to our unhappiness by treating us like C$@p. They knew we would raise a huge stink. When we filed a lawsuit, it was like a gift!
Now they could feed ideas like prejudiced/racist/elitist to the northern areas and get them all riled up and outspoken. They probably knew that Midwest Gen had serious issues and knew someone would fight that hard - now they had TG/WE ready and willing to cause problems and a good scapegoat for the fallout.
Gee, Reverend, we're so disappointed that we have these small groups in the South that are so prejudiced they don't want to go to Waubonsie. We're going to have to walk away from the deal. Sorry to say. It's sad when these bad people get their way, isn't it?
We got owned.
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Post by Arch on Apr 17, 2008 6:10:28 GMT -6
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Post by rew on Apr 17, 2008 6:20:21 GMT -6
It was so nice of CB to express how great the parents at Fry are to the parents at Fry. Thanks Curt...why didn't you visit the other elementary schools and tell THEM what great parents there are at Fry? Why didn't you stand up at the SB meetings and tell the community what great parents are at Fry?
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Post by steckmom on Apr 17, 2008 6:27:13 GMT -6
Quoting Snerdley: "But at the end of the day, IMO the "emails" were used as justification for instituting Option 6. That's what they wanted all along (a new WVHS), but the referendum would not have passed. Well, sorry, folks, even if they received some hateful email, it shouldn't cause the SB or district to do anything differently than what was otherwise in the best interest of the district and kids. Otherwise, it's retaliation. And to use the "delphi logic" that someone brought up yesterday, now we're supposed to feel bad that the rest of the district doesn't like us. So why would he say this? Well, if only NSFOC would drop the lawsuit, everyone would like us again! " this is all IMO: It's funny to be reading this because I was laying in bed thinking of all of this in a whole new light. In the scenario I'm seeing, boy is Dash &/or the SB smart. Why did AME finally decide to sell all of the land to the district? They are an African American church and they were upset that a group motivated by racism and elitism was stopping the district's ability to build a school. Back to what you are talking about snerdley: In January we heard about emails that would scald your ears. The SB knew TG/WE did not want to leave NV because of the previous boundary discussions. What a better area to rezone to WV. They were sure we'd be outspoken and fired up. Add fuel to our unhappiness by treating us like C$@p. They knew we would raise a huge stink. When we filed a lawsuit, it was like a gift! Now they could feed ideas like prejudiced/racist/elitist to the northern areas and get them all riled up and outspoken. They probably knew that Midwest Gen had serious issues and knew someone would fight that hard - now they had TG/WE ready and willing to cause problems and a good scapegoat for the fallout. Gee, Reverend, we're so disappointed that we have these small groups in the South that are so prejudiced they don't want to go to Waubonsie. We're going to have to walk away from the deal. Sorry to say. It's sad when these bad people get their way, isn't it? We got owned. That's ridiculous. People don't like you? Why would he say that? Not that I think the SB is that smart, but the 'delphi logic' does seem to fit. Remember the bridge memo. Boy that seemed out of place. TG got riled up, showed up in large numbers at the boundary meeting and sounded to many like a bunch of whiners. Not saying TG was a bunch of whiners at all, I wouldn't want to leave the HS near me either, but that certainly was what some took from that meeting. For the record, Fryfox, I like you. Also, those of us who are among the thinking, don't have any dislike for Fry. I wonder about the others though--and it does seem orchestrated. |
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Post by fryfox on Apr 17, 2008 6:38:38 GMT -6
Thanks, smom - the part about people liking us was actually a quote from snerdley. I snafu'd the quotation so just put hers in regular quotation marks. Maybe I'll bold it to make it more clear.
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Post by JB on Apr 17, 2008 6:39:12 GMT -6
I was taken aback when he told the crowd that all the other elementaries except one have a negative perception of the Fry community. Now how would he know that? Did they send out a "Do you hate Fry" survey rather than the A/C one they had planned to? "Sorry, we're too busy trying to figure out the level of hatred toward the Fry community that we have helped foster to follow up on that pesky AC problem right now." It wasn't a "Do You Hate Fry" survey, it was more of a questionnaire to gauge the level of dislike. Scale was 1 - 5. 1 = Stick your tongue out at them, 5 = Feed them to hungry Cougars. Those of us who didn't get it through backpack mail were encouraged to respond via surveymonkey.  |
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Post by 204parent on Apr 17, 2008 6:44:48 GMT -6
I think someone said that the plant was already being dismantled. I remember that but did not know if that would still happen now. I noticed in the plans that it appears the peaker plant is still together. Was wonder if it is still there because it will be there when the school opens or was not set to be dismantled when the plans were drawn up, say in 2007 if not a typo. MWGEN still owns the land, and they have no plans to sell it. There's nothing stopping them from replacing the existing peaker plant with a new, modern one. |
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Post by steckmom on Apr 17, 2008 6:56:28 GMT -6
Thanks, smom - the part about people liking us was actually a quote from snerdley. I snafu'd the quotation so just put hers in regular quotation marks. Maybe I'll bold it to make it more clear. The coffee hasn't kicked in yet. Sorry snerdley, but I think I tend to skim your posts (early bias), though you often make very good points. While I really don't think the SB is smart enough to have orchestrated this, the more I think about this, the more I now believe that there is much more than we know and something very fishy going on. I know, just call me Captain Obvious. |
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Post by 3woodgal on Apr 17, 2008 7:11:01 GMT -6
Quoting Snerdley: " But at the end of the day, IMO the "emails" were used as justification for instituting Option 6. That's what they wanted all along (a new WVHS), but the referendum would not have passed. Well, sorry, folks, even if they received some hateful email, it shouldn't cause the SB or district to do anything differently than what was otherwise in the best interest of the district and kids. Otherwise, it's retaliation.
And to use the "delphi logic" that someone brought up yesterday, now we're supposed to feel bad that the rest of the district doesn't like us. So why would he say this? Well, if only NSFOC would drop the lawsuit, everyone would like us again! "this is all IMO: It's funny to be reading this because I was laying in bed thinking of all of this in a whole new light. In the scenario I'm seeing, boy is Dash &/or the SB smart. Why did AME finally decide to sell all of the land to the district? They are an African American church and they were upset that a group motivated by racism and elitism was stopping the district's ability to build a school. Back to what you are talking about snerdley: In January we heard about emails that would scald your ears. The SB knew TG/WE did not want to leave NV because of the previous boundary discussions. What a better area to rezone to WV. They were sure we'd be outspoken and fired up. Add fuel to our unhappiness by treating us like C$@p. They knew we would raise a huge stink. When we filed a lawsuit, it was like a gift! Now they could feed ideas like prejudiced/racist/elitist to the northern areas and get them all riled up and outspoken. They probably knew that Midwest Gen had serious issues and knew someone would fight that hard - now they had TG/WE ready and willing to cause problems and a good scapegoat for the fallout. Gee, Reverend, we're so disappointed that we have these small groups in the South that are so prejudiced they don't want to go to Waubonsie. We're going to have to walk away from the deal. Sorry to say. It's sad when these bad people get their way, isn't it? We got owned. Finally someone figured it out. I have been waiting patiently to see how long it would take. Pulling the race card is funny coming from many people I recall that once mocked and made accusations against the Pastor and AME during the most recent election. I recall even seeing an email with Eagledad listed as person forwarding email but SB member's cell phone attached. Hmmmm. Should be careful when cut and pasting...duh. Point is don't believe SB members are not beyond being undermining to fuel their selfish needs and have been doing so for quite some time. It comes down to doing whatever needs to be done to get what they want. Kudos CV for being an independent thinker and continue. M2 and DrD should be fired! |
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Post by d204mom on Apr 17, 2008 7:15:27 GMT -6
Thanks, smom - the part about people liking us was actually a quote from snerdley. I snafu'd the quotation so just put hers in regular quotation marks. Maybe I'll bold it to make it more clear. The coffee hasn't kicked in yet. Sorry snerdley, but I think I tend to skim your posts (early bias), though you often make very good points. While I really don't think the SB is smart enough to have orchestrated this, the more I think about this, the more I now believe that there is much more than we know and something very fishy going on. I know, just call me Captain Obvious. This plan is and will continue to backfire. I for one stick up for EVERY neighborhood's RIGHT to be heard. If CB truly told the PTA that everyone hates you then SHAME ON CURT. That is inexcusible. Whenever I hear people saying anything negative about Fry or TG or WE I STICK UP FOR THEM and explain that the SCHOOL BOARD and ADMIN deserve the blame for their extremely poor decision making and blunders. DID CURT MENTION THAT EVERY AREA DISLIKES HIM AND THE REST OF THE SCHOOL BOARD? Not a very nice thing to realize. WHEN POINTING FINGERS maybe next time he should look in the mirror. LASTLY, from a parent with children slated to attend MV, THANK YOU to the brave folks of NSFOC for getting the high school moved to a slightly safer (but still bad) location. THANKS ALSO for exposing the inept and terrible decision making going on in this district. You have helped open many eyes. |
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Post by Arch on Apr 17, 2008 7:16:42 GMT -6
I asked the above question in another tread and realized it was the wrong thread so here it is again. Sorry for the confusion.I remember that but did not know if that would still happen now. I noticed in the plans that it appears the peaker plant is still together. Was wonder if it is still there because it will be there when the school opens or was not set to be dismantled when the plans were drawn up, say in 2007 if not a typo. MWGEN still owns the land, and they have no plans to sell it. There's nothing stopping them from replacing the existing peaker plant with a new, modern one. DING DING DING.. we have a winner! It's too strategically located with the EJ substation and fuel delivery and they already own the land. Nothing would prevent them from putting in a new modern one like the Reliant plant up the road for some friendly competition in the power generation business. Another thing to consider with real estate are the neighboring 'allowables'. There is already historical precedence that a dirtier plant can and did operate there for years and the school board, in its infinite wisdom even found THAT fine enough to pursue a purchase of the land in the past. It would be rather embarrassing for them in the future to now try to drum up support to stop a new plant from going in where it is already allowed. It's never too late to turn around when you are headed down a road the wrong way. |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 17, 2008 7:26:26 GMT -6
Thanks, smom - the part about people liking us was actually a quote from snerdley. I snafu'd the quotation so just put hers in regular quotation marks. Maybe I'll bold it to make it more clear. The coffee hasn't kicked in yet. Sorry snerdley, but I think I tend to skim your posts (early bias), though you often make very good points. While I really don't think the SB is smart enough to have orchestrated this, the more I think about this, the more I now believe that there is much more than we know and something very fishy going on. I know, just call me Captain Obvious. LOL! See, you adopted the groupthink based on the "survey" and wrote me off early on! But I really do think we've ALL been manipulated. And we're ALL losers in this little game they've played at OUR expense. We'll ALL be paying for it for a long time to come. |
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Post by fryfox on Apr 17, 2008 7:29:08 GMT -6
MWGEN still owns the land, and they have no plans to sell it. There's nothing stopping them from replacing the existing peaker plant with a new, modern one. DING DING DING.. we have a winner! It's too strategically located with the EJ substation and fuel delivery and they already own the land. Nothing would prevent them from putting in a new modern one like the Reliant plant up the road for some friendly competition in the power generation business. Another thing to consider with real estate are the neighboring 'allowables'. There is already historical precedence that a dirtier plant can and did operate there for years and the school board, in its infinite wisdom even found THAT fine enough to pursue a purchase of the land in the past. It would be rather embarrassing for them in the future to now try to drum up support to stop a new plant from going in where it is already allowed. It's never too late to turn around when you are headed down a road the wrong way. The ONLY thing that will make these guys turn around is the lawsuit from NSFOC. Do you really think they will turn back? I sat there Monday night listening to all of the extremely compelling arguments for doing so and thought, surely more than CV will realize problems with this. Nope. They're not turning back. And if BB wins their lawsuit, they will just pass that cost along to the taxpayers. CB admitted it in the meeting last night. A woman mentioned the bonds they use to pass along costs of being sued and he agreed that was what would happen. I hope that enough people will continue to support this lawsuit because otherwise we'll be paying for these mistakes for years and years to come. |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 17, 2008 7:32:22 GMT -6
It was so nice of CB to express how great the parents at Fry are to the parents at Fry. Thanks Curt...why didn't you visit the other elementary schools and tell THEM what great parents there are at Fry? Why didn't you stand up at the SB meetings and tell the community what great parents are at Fry? We asked this question, and I didn't hear a good answer for it. I think the real reason that he and the rest of the SB save CV can't stand up in public and defend us is that their strategy depends on the other "19 elementaries" ( I think that's how many he said have a negative perception of us) remaining angry at us. That serves a couple of purposes. Number 1, it causes enough background noise, etc. that people might not pay attention to other important matters (like costs, contracts, surveys, etc.) And Number 2, it puts pressure on the Fry community ("don't you want everyone to like you?") to drop the suit. Which I am beginning to think they are more fearful of than I previously thought. |
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