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Post by casey on Oct 8, 2007 13:28:22 GMT -6
To me these numbers show some very important data. One of the most glaring things to me is MS numbers. Why does Scullen continue to suffer the most overcrowding of all the schools (almost 300 more students than any other MS)? I know that all MSs are built the same except Scullen has that one beautiful trailer (holding 4 classes). Why are the numbers so much lower at other MSs (ex. Hill has 500+ less students than Scullen!). 500 LESS STUDENTS?!! Then I look ahead to ES and Fry has 150 more students than any other ES. Add WE, Fry, and part of Peterson (the old Wheatland minus Ashwood students) and Scullen will continue to be more overcrowded than any other school.
2009 (or 2010 or later) is a long way off. MS boundaries should be examined now. Scullen should not be that much more overcrowded than the others. MVHS isn't going to be built over night but something should be done now to alleviate the overcrowding at the MS.
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Post by Arch on Oct 8, 2007 13:33:07 GMT -6
I thought it was previously proclaimed there is no overcrowding at Scullen.
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 8, 2007 13:45:23 GMT -6
To me these numbers show some very important data. One of the most glaring things to me is MS numbers. Why does Scullen continue to suffer the most overcrowding of all the schools (almost 300 more students than any other MS)? I know that all MSs are built the same except Scullen has that one beautiful trailer (holding 4 classes). Why are the numbers so much lower at other MSs (ex. Hill has 500+ less students than Scullen!). 500 LESS STUDENTS?!! Then I look ahead to ES and Fry has 150 more students than any other ES. Add WE, Fry, and part of Peterson (the old Wheatland minus Ashwood students) and Scullen will continue to be more overcrowded than any other school. 2009 (or 2010 or later) is a long way off. MS boundaries should be examined now. Scullen should not be that much more overcrowded than the others. MVHS isn't going to be built over night but something should be done now to alleviate the overcrowding at the MS. " know that all MSs are built the same " buzz......incorrect. I I know it's way at the other end of the district, but all you'd have to do is drive up to the front and you'd see the difference immediately. It was built in 1981, long before the current 'model' of Middle schools -- and is above optimum capacity today. All middle schools are not the same configuration. Might want to check that out before you portay the school differently - we can't even get all the kids in the lunchroom over the periods So if you move those 500 students to Hill - you would have to put them in the parking lot . Also while some ES's are the same - many had additions added on to them - some ( like Fry) were built with the addition portion included day 1- and some like Gombert for instance had no addition. |
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 8, 2007 13:46:05 GMT -6
I thought it was previously proclaimed there is no overcrowding at Scullen. oh vehemently - that the kids there are fine - coming from parents there on this board - so what's the issue now ? I would ask your question of those who claim all is well there. |
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Post by justme on Oct 8, 2007 14:00:13 GMT -6
I thought it was previously proclaimed there is no overcrowding at Scullen. oh vehemently - that the kids there are fine - coming from parents there on this board - so what's the issue now ? Jeez, there is just no end to this with you boys. Who said Scullen isn't overcrowded? Do what you tell everyone else to do...support your statements with facts. My child is happy at Scullen. I am not going to lie and say differently. Sorry it doesn't suit some people's agendas but that is my child's personal experience. I thought that the whole point of building a new HS and taking back a MS was to alleviate the overcrowding, not to poll the students in one of the most overcrowded MS's in the district as to whether they are happy or not. The experience of my child is basically irrelevent to that point. What would you prefer? Would our children's misery be better for the cause?  |
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Post by gatordog on Oct 8, 2007 14:00:40 GMT -6
I thought it was previously proclaimed there is no overcrowding at Scullen. A proclamation that seems to find its way into just about every thread on this board  |
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 8, 2007 14:03:16 GMT -6
oh vehemently - that the kids there are fine - coming from parents there on this board - so what's the issue now ? Jeez, there is just no end to this with you boys. Who said Scullen isn't overcrowded? Do what you tell everyone else to do...support your statements with facts. My child is happy at Scullen. I am not going to lie and say differently. Sorry it doesn't suit some people's agendas but that is my child's personal experience. I thought that the whole point of building a new HS and taking back a MS was to alleviate the overcrowding, not to poll the students in one of the most overcrowded MS's in the district as to whether they are happy or not. The experience of my child is basically irrelevent to that point. What would you prefer? Would our children's misery be better for the cause? you're responding to the wrong people, don't talk to us -- talk to casey who has a vested interest at Scullen - just seems like a mixed message on the population situation there - |
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Post by justme on Oct 8, 2007 14:04:28 GMT -6
I thought it was previously proclaimed there is no overcrowding at Scullen. A proclamation that seems to find its way into just about every thread on this board Yet again I say "support your statement". |
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Post by gatordog on Oct 8, 2007 14:08:57 GMT -6
To me these numbers show some very important data. One of the most glaring things to me is MS numbers. Why does Scullen continue to suffer the most overcrowding of all the schools (almost 300 more students than any other MS)? I know that all MSs are built the same except Scullen has that one beautiful trailer (holding 4 classes). Why are the numbers so much lower at other MSs (ex. Hill has 500+ less students than Scullen!). 500 LESS STUDENTS?!! Then I look ahead to ES and Fry has 150 more students than any other ES. Add WE, Fry, and part of Peterson (the old Wheatland minus Ashwood students) and Scullen will continue to be more overcrowded than any other school. 2009 (or 2010 or later) is a long way off. MS boundaries should be examined now. Scullen should not be that much more overcrowded than the others. MVHS isn't going to be built over night but something should be done now to alleviate the overcrowding at the MS. " know that all MSs are built the same " buzz......incorrect. I I know it's way at the other end of the district, but all you'd have to do is drive up to the front and you'd see the difference immediately. It was built in 1981, long before the current 'model' of Middle schools -- and is above optimum capacity today. All middle schools are not the same configuration. Might want to check that out before you portay the school differently - we can't even get all the kids in the lunchroom over the periods So if you move those 500 students to Hill - you would have to put them in the parking lot . Also while some ES's are the same - many had additions added on to them - some ( like Fry) were built with the addition portion included day 1- and some like Gombert for instance had no addition. So now, Casey understands the older MS's have different capacity. I dont know the design capacities of each MS....I understand Hill and Gregory are smallest. But Casey has a good point...a few MS should not bear more burden than others. I believe commentary that Hill is above optimal capacity. I strongly suspect that the Scullen design capacity is not 500 more than Hill. If that is the case, more burden is carried by Scullen. I agree with casey....its time to start planning MS boundaries sooner rather than later. |
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Post by justme on Oct 8, 2007 14:11:23 GMT -6
Jeez, there is just no end to this with you boys. Who said Scullen isn't overcrowded? Do what you tell everyone else to do...support your statements with facts. My child is happy at Scullen. I am not going to lie and say differently. Sorry it doesn't suit some people's agendas but that is my child's personal experience. I thought that the whole point of building a new HS and taking back a MS was to alleviate the overcrowding, not to poll the students in one of the most overcrowded MS's in the district as to whether they are happy or not. The experience of my child is basically irrelevent to that point. What would you prefer? Would our children's misery be better for the cause? you're responding to the wrong people, don't talk to us -- talk to casey who has a vested interest at Scullen - just seems like a mixed message on the population situation there - We will disagree on that point. I would love to respond to the correct people though. Where are the Scullen parents that said it wasn't overcrowded? Many of us have happy kids at Scullen. Sorry it doen't jive with the portrait of misery painted by the SB to support the last referendum. It also doesn't mean that the school itself is any less crowded. It simply means that the staff at Scullen are amazing in handling the situation. I feel very blessed to have a child there (and more on their way). Despite being overcrowded, my child is having a wonderful experience. I won't lie or apologize for that. |
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 8, 2007 14:12:34 GMT -6
" know that all MSs are built the same " buzz......incorrect. I I know it's way at the other end of the district, but all you'd have to do is drive up to the front and you'd see the difference immediately. It was built in 1981, long before the current 'model' of Middle schools -- and is above optimum capacity today. All middle schools are not the same configuration. Might want to check that out before you portay the school differently - we can't even get all the kids in the lunchroom over the periods So if you move those 500 students to Hill - you would have to put them in the parking lot . Also while some ES's are the same - many had additions added on to them - some ( like Fry) were built with the addition portion included day 1- and some like Gombert for instance had no addition. So now, Casey understands the older MS's have different capacity. I dont know the design capacities of each MS....I understand Hill and Gregory are smallest. But Casey has a good point...a few MS should not bear more burden than others. I believe commentary that Hill is above optimal capacity. I strongly suspect that the Scullen design capacity is not 500 more than Hill. If that is the case, more burden is carried by Scullen. I agree with casey....its time to start planning MS boundaries sooner rather than later. agree - as soon as we know where the HS is going to go. |
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Post by Arch on Oct 8, 2007 14:17:28 GMT -6
oh vehemently - that the kids there are fine - coming from parents there on this board - so what's the issue now ? Jeez, there is just no end to this with you boys. Who said Scullen isn't overcrowded? Do what you tell everyone else to do...support your statements with facts. My child is happy at Scullen. I am not going to lie and say differently. Sorry it doesn't suit some people's agendas but that is my child's personal experience. I thought that the whole point of building a new HS and taking back a MS was to alleviate the overcrowding, not to poll the students in one of the most overcrowded MS's in the district as to whether they are happy or not. The experience of my child is basically irrelevent to that point. What would you prefer? Would our children's misery be better for the cause? I was merely relaying what someone had previously posted many times: Harry>> "we have empty seats in some buildings, alleged overcrowding in others " "Overcrowding at all levels was one of the spins to get the 3rd HS passed" "Scullen must not be overcrowded now since the portable has been installed and no others have allegedly been added. That is what portables do,,,,,, decrease overcrowding. Problem solved." |
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Post by gatordog on Oct 8, 2007 14:20:40 GMT -6
A proclamation that seems to find its way into just about every thread on this board Yet again I say "support your statement". I am NOT going to support my statement that a certain poster seems to mention in every thread that "MS are not overcrowded"... arch, you are too blame because your original comment made me laugh ;D But to be serious, for justme.... the numbers I am working on are Scullen design capacity of 1200 students, compared to actual enrollment of 1447. And thank you, concerned....good work on the school by school break down. |
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Post by justme on Oct 8, 2007 14:27:05 GMT -6
Jeez, there is just no end to this with you boys. Who said Scullen isn't overcrowded? Do what you tell everyone else to do...support your statements with facts. My child is happy at Scullen. I am not going to lie and say differently. Sorry it doesn't suit some people's agendas but that is my child's personal experience. I thought that the whole point of building a new HS and taking back a MS was to alleviate the overcrowding, not to poll the students in one of the most overcrowded MS's in the district as to whether they are happy or not. The experience of my child is basically irrelevent to that point. What would you prefer? Would our children's misery be better for the cause? I was merely relaying what someone had previously posted many times: Harry>> "we have empty seats in some buildings, alleged overcrowding in others " "Overcrowding at all levels was one of the spins to get the 3rd HS passed" "Scullen must not be overcrowded now since the portable has been installed and no others have allegedly been added. That is what portables do,,,,,, decrease overcrowding. Problem solved." He said "must not be" not "is not". At no point did I read anything definitive in those quotes, just speculation. I also was unaware that Harry had any children at Scullen and therefore he would not have been included in those kind remarks about Scullen parents posted earlier. |
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Post by Arch on Oct 8, 2007 14:36:28 GMT -6
I was merely relaying what someone had previously posted many times: Harry>> "we have empty seats in some buildings, alleged overcrowding in others " "Overcrowding at all levels was one of the spins to get the 3rd HS passed" "Scullen must not be overcrowded now since the portable has been installed and no others have allegedly been added. That is what portables do,,,,,, decrease overcrowding. Problem solved." He said "must not be" not "is not". At no point did I read anything definitive in those quotes, just speculation. I also was unaware that Harry had any children at Scullen and therefore he would not have been included in those kind remarks about Scullen parents posted earlier. It is 'speculation' that he/she projects as fact because if you read the other posts it is supported as a fact in their mind because we don't hear 'boo' from students about overcrowding; even challenging any reporter to do a story about it from a kid's perspective. Also stated was that since the SB isn't currently actively doing something about it, then the problem must not exist. I happen to believe there *IS* overcrowding. Perhaps Harry can jump in on this thread with a definitive YES or NO as to whether they believe Scullen is overcrowded or not. |
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