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Post by macrockett on Feb 27, 2010 8:43:58 GMT -6
Arch, I am not aware of any powers of that nature that vest in the School Districts. If it does exist it would be spelled out in the School Code. I hope there aren't, but previously on the topic of BB litigation it was mentioned (though could have been wrong) that someone thought they could pass whatever judgement onto the taxpayers without approval; like some kind of emergency funding need or something... Hopefully that was wrong. Not sure what you are referring too Arch. If you could site post it might clarify things. |
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Post by Arch on Feb 27, 2010 8:51:36 GMT -6
I hope there aren't, but previously on the topic of BB litigation it was mentioned (though could have been wrong) that someone thought they could pass whatever judgement onto the taxpayers without approval; like some kind of emergency funding need or something... Hopefully that was wrong. Not sure what you are referring too Arch. If you could site post it might clarify things. Inside versus outside milage... Example article: nky.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20100207/NEWS0102/2070312/Districts-raise-taxes-without-public-vote |
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Post by macrockett on Feb 27, 2010 9:51:32 GMT -6
Off the top of my head I am not aware of a similar tax structure in Illinois Arch. The Ohio Constitution appears to allow this from what I read. In addition, I would think Tax Cap laws in Illinois would trump everything else and restrict a back door levy. Finally, the State controls the tax structure and local municipalities collect and disperse, so any change would have to start there.
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Post by steckdad on Feb 27, 2010 11:00:01 GMT -6
Call me Steckdad, 630-416-6441. I'll be glad to give you the answer. Otherwise please, don't bother me. Not sure what the problem is...this is a perfectly fine venue for the answer....currently the 204 portion of my taxes is $3500.. In 2014 will that go up 10%...20%? or is it too soon to know? this will give all posters here an Idea of exactly what to look forward to. Doc is talking about leaving for Florida because of the increases. I am truly not trying be a smart ass (this time) |
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Post by doctorwho on Feb 27, 2010 11:29:37 GMT -6
Call me Steckdad, 630-416-6441. I'll be glad to give you the answer. Otherwise please, don't bother me. Not sure what the problem is...this is a perfectly fine venue for the answer....currently the 204 portion of my taxes is $3500.. In 2014 will that go up 10%...20%? or is it too soon to know? this will give all posters here an Idea of exactly what to look forward to. Doc is talking about leaving for Florida because of the increases. I am truly not trying be a smart ass (this time) The last 2 years the 204 portion of my bills has increased $453 and $365 respectively, not counting the pension fund. Up 13% in 2 years and the bulk of the tax increase is still 4 years off- and now will continue to increase for another what 16 years guaranteed ? Extrapolating that out is brutal. You tell me how much more- and for what ? A HS 45-50 minutes away by bus - a MS 35-40 minutes away by bus. Classroom sizes soon to be likely near mid 30's, and looming cuts in extra curriculars ? A curriculum missing grammar in MS? It's not the only reason to head out of here, but it surely contributes. $800+ a year in just 2 years for something that doesn't even work for me any more... sorry. Poor use of my funds |
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Post by Arch on Feb 27, 2010 11:38:51 GMT -6
Call me Steckdad, 630-416-6441. I'll be glad to give you the answer. Otherwise please, don't bother me. Not sure what the problem is...this is a perfectly fine venue for the answer....currently the 204 portion of my taxes is $3500.. In 2014 will that go up 10%...20%? or is it too soon to know? this will give all posters here an Idea of exactly what to look forward to. Doc is talking about leaving for Florida because of the increases. I am truly not trying be a smart ass (this time) Is there any indication that 204 portion will ever go down anytime soon, or will it keep increasing? |
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Post by steckdad on Feb 27, 2010 12:02:58 GMT -6
Paying out more every year sucks regardless of where it comes from. so we agree there..
Unfortunately we voted for it..
Kind of like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer then complaining that it hurts.
Then blaming someone else for the pain.
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Post by Arch on Feb 27, 2010 12:05:34 GMT -6
Paying out more every year sucks regardless of where it comes from. so we agree there.. Unfortunately we voted for it.. Kind of like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer then complaining that it hurts. Then blaming someone else for the pain. Ah, like spending and spending and spending and blaming the state because you have a budget problem. Yup.. it is silly. |
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Post by gekfromthefarnorth on Feb 27, 2010 12:12:29 GMT -6
Call me Steckdad, 630-416-6441. I'll be glad to give you the answer. Otherwise please, don't bother me. Not sure what the problem is...this is a perfectly fine venue for the answer....currently the 204 portion of my taxes is $3500.. In 2014 will that go up 10%...20%? or is it too soon to know? this will give all posters here an Idea of exactly what to look forward to. Doc is talking about leaving for Florida because of the increases. I am truly not trying be a smart ass (this time) My 204 Property Taxes for 2007/2008 were $3,669.87/$3,921.49 with the tax rate going from 4.4920 to 4.4859 (07 to 08). For clarity, I have summed up the taxes/tax rate for Unit School District 204 and the 204 Pension Fund. Of course any one can see the problem and my due diligence made me request that my assessment be reviewed and with proper documentation my assessment was lowered 15%! My point is that perhaps D204 residents should spend some time looking at property sales in their neighborhood. Do I think that the tax RATE is going to do something crazy?? The answer is no unless the district votes to increase it. As a side, the district residents will do just that at some point. History has shown that the district supports its schools and least anyone disagrees, the district has ONLY voted down ONE referendum. I remember a referendum that was passed for 0.9500 rate increase with the stated purpose of increasing salaries to compete with Naperville 203. At the Hill MS first of the year orientation Rasnic (sp) nearly got down on his knees and kisses our feet for the support of 204 schools. SO if you think that a referendum won't pass - you are only one vote. |
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Post by macrockett on Feb 27, 2010 12:13:21 GMT -6
Call me Steckdad, 630-416-6441. I'll be glad to give you the answer. Otherwise please, don't bother me. Not sure what the problem is...this is a perfectly fine venue for the answer....currently the 204 portion of my taxes is $3500.. In 2014 will that go up 10%...20%? or is it too soon to know? this will give all posters here an Idea of exactly what to look forward to. Doc is talking about leaving for Florida because of the increases. I am truly not trying be a smart ass (this time) Why do you pose questions about which you already know the answer Steckdad? Some might consider that being a "smart ass." Rather than being so concerned about Doc, why don't you challenge each and everything I write here on this Board. Please show your facts and conclusions. The more transparency the better. We sure aren't getting it from the District. |
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Post by doctorwho on Feb 27, 2010 12:15:53 GMT -6
Paying out more every year sucks regardless of where it comes from. so we agree there.. Unfortunately we voted for it.. Kind of like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer then complaining that it hurts. Then blaming someone else for the pain. Points you continually overlook................ 1/ the consultant that gave the report to the SD said the majority of people did NOT want a 3rd high school- it was like #5 or 6 on the option list 2/ We voted on it based on LIES ! we were told: 10,400 high school students by this year - and higher after that split shifts by 2008 cuts in extra curriculars due to # of students ( funny how karma may work on this one) increasing school populations WRONG-- ES down 4th year in a row by 2%-3% per year And before you can say no one knew about the downturn - the SD has their own document dated 3/8/07 - their financial statement that shows a MAX of 8900 HS students and a looming deficit of $4M-$12M. CV raised the issue one last time at the SB meeting before construction and was talked down by JC and MS..they pissed the money away anyway. They knew this BEFORE they turned one grain of polluted dirt - and you have the nerve to stand there and say we voted for it..we voted for falsehoods- period. And I give a rats behind whether it was at BB - current site - or any other including in my back yard- it was unneeded and they knew it..yet not only spent $124M they were voted , but and extra $17 on bond issues and $10M expediting because they could... that's who you want making financial decisions ? hitting yourself with the hammer and blaming someone else for the pain is our SD spending money like drunken sailors- then trying to tell people we are spending nothing after opening a $150M unneeded HS - they saying how it's ALL the states fault - BS ! |
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Post by steckdad on Feb 27, 2010 12:35:21 GMT -6
Paying out more every year sucks regardless of where it comes from. so we agree there.. Unfortunately we voted for it.. Kind of like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer then complaining that it hurts. Then blaming someone else for the pain. still don't get it after all this time do you ? 1/ the consultant that gave the report to the SD said the majority of people did NOT want a 3rd high school- it was like #5 or 6 on the option list 2/ We voted on it based on LIES ! we were told: 10,400 high school students by this year - and higher after that split shifts by 2008 cuts in extra curriculars due to # of students ( funny how karma may work on this one) increasing school populations WRONG-- ES down 4th year in a row by 2%-3% per year And before you can say no one knew about the downturn - the SD has their own document dated 3/8/07 - their financial statement that shows a MAX of 8900 HS students and a looming deficit of $4M-$12M. CV raised the issue one last time at the SB meeting before construction and was talked down by JC and MS..they pissed the money away anyway. They knew this BEFORE they turned one grain of polluted dirt - and you have the nerve to stand there and say we voted for it..we voted for falsehoods- period. And I give a rats behind whether it was at BB - current site - or any other including in my back yard- it was unneeded and they knew it..yet not only spent $124M they were voted , but and extra $17 on bond issues and $10M expediting because they could... that's who you want making financial decisions ? hitting yourself with the hammer and blaming someone else for the pain is our SD spending money like drunken sailors- then trying to tell people we are spending nothing after opening a $150M unneeded HS - they saying how it's ALL the states fault - BS ! can't really argue with the reasons you voted and never have. Maybe I am simplifying too much? Either you voted to pay more taxes or you didn't... If everything came true you were told your tax bill would be the same...sorry It didn't..I can't help your plight and that is where the hammer comes in IMO. |
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Post by steckdad on Feb 27, 2010 12:43:52 GMT -6
Not sure what the problem is...this is a perfectly fine venue for the answer....currently the 204 portion of my taxes is $3500.. In 2014 will that go up 10%...20%? or is it too soon to know? this will give all posters here an Idea of exactly what to look forward to. Doc is talking about leaving for Florida because of the increases. I am truly not trying be a smart ass (this time) Why do you pose questions about which you already know the answer Steckdad? Some might consider that being a "smart ass." Rather than being so concerned about Doc, why don't you challenge each and everything I write here on this Board. Please show your facts and conclusions. The more transparency the better. We sure aren't getting it from the District. I just asked you question a few posts back and I am looking for an answer....still waiting. I truly do not know the answer and I do not want a link to another post with a bunch of complicated information. You truly are the only one here that even gets half the stuff you post. With your financial expertise could you please answer my question? how much more or is it too soon to tell? |
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Post by macrockett on Feb 27, 2010 12:43:56 GMT -6
Paying out more every year sucks regardless of where it comes from. so we agree there.. Unfortunately we voted for it.. Kind of like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer then complaining that it hurts. Then blaming someone else for the pain. seems to me what people voted for and what they got were two different things...especially the price tag... we'll just chalk it up to "that's the way the republic for of government works!" |
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Post by steckdad on Feb 27, 2010 12:48:23 GMT -6
Paying out more every year sucks regardless of where it comes from. so we agree there.. Unfortunately we voted for it.. Kind of like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer then complaining that it hurts. Then blaming someone else for the pain. seems to me what people voted for and what they got were two different things...especially the price tag... we'll just chalk it up to "that's the way the republic for of government works!" I guess we need to be more educated (before voting) that our district can legally turn 124 million into 141million. I for one am guilty of that. |
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