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Post by doctorwho on Mar 1, 2010 8:17:01 GMT -6
There was a time when I knew Mark and I worked hard on his campaign (as well as Curt's). As to what happened, too many games have been played, too much manipulation of the facts, too much deceit, all at the expense of our communities kids. I believe the cause of the falling out of my support is this very corruption you speak of. I do not know this "motherf*cker" Mark. He is dead to me. I know only too well the feeling of being betrayed. I trusted these guys once to do what is right for the district. So did a lot of others. Never did I imagine partisan agendas meant more then our kids. And the more I look at our SB the more I realize these people were never capable of running our SD not to mention handling our tax dollars. Yep, some of these people looked us dead in the eye and lied. It's just that simple. SB members marching and leading protests for 'their area' while espousing the 'good for all' mantra, instead of pointing out that the numbers were wrong anyway and a total relook at the situation was needed. Trust is a very fragile thing , but once lost, it is gone forever. I believed some/most of the nonsense also- and like ED worked my backside off daily for years for things I believed to be true. Then they turned out to be total fabications. Including vicious attacks on certain SB members and organizations who tried to warn people of the games being played. I am not and was never a supporter of some of those 'tax og's' either, but truth be told- their numbers were almost dead on now weren't they? And for any of those reading this- and know who you are - even if you also somehow believed the false data 10,400 HS students and 11000-12000 down the road, split shifts, etc... BEFORE you spent one single lousy $ on MVHS- you absolutely knew it to be false. Your own documents support the fact of how false this is. So going forward from there was a total breach of trust taxpayers and parents put in you to properly run this district. You have done to this district what 'leaders' in Springfield and Washington have done to this state and country. And this is not a partisan issue - enough blame to go around. Some very very good people in this district were 'used' and ended up lookng like fools, and will never forget. |
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Post by Arch on Mar 1, 2010 8:27:12 GMT -6
Speaking of wasting taxpayer money.. .here's some close ups of the great quality the taxpayers got for their money: NW corner Staircase railing: winsome.cnchost.com/204/pics/CIMG0020.jpgBeam for window by same staircase: winsome.cnchost.com/204/pics/CIMG0021.jpg Nice ding/pinch in the material. Great inspection/quality control at work there. I guess it's all well and good because the walls are littered with these from HR Imaging (the company whose name keeps popping up for overpriced anything dealing with printed materials and pictures): winsome.cnchost.com/204/pics/CIMG0026.jpg Makes me wonder where and why there's a connection there. |
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Post by casey on Mar 1, 2010 9:11:06 GMT -6
Uh oh....there needs to be a change order to fix the poster. The word mustang is used as a proper noun and therefore should be capitalized. How did anyone miss that? The sign's hanging in a high school and we can't get the grammar correct?  I agree Arch much of what you posted looks shoddy and crappy but what do you expect when it's put together in such a compressed construction schedule. I can't help but think of the St. Charles mold problem and wonder if we have issues like that to look forward to. Remember, there was a pipe burst and everything was supposedly cleaned up immediately (calling in all custodial staff at one time) but can one ensure safety like that? Unfortunately there are so many potential problems with Metea and some very obvious ones (terrible location, ugly building, proximity to highway, train tracks, pipelines, etc.). Can't you just see it now, the decision will be made to close Waubonsie after 2012 and then the major problems will appear the next year with Metea. We can end up with split shifts at Neuqua. Definitely doom and gloom but I guess that's the worst that could happen. Oh, and we'd be completely bankrupt in the meantime. |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 1, 2010 9:22:27 GMT -6
Uh oh....there needs to be a change order to fix the poster. The word mustang is used as a proper noun and therefore should be capitalized. How did anyone miss that? The sign's hanging in a high school and we can't get the grammar correct? I agree Arch much of what you posted looks shoddy and crappy but what do you expect when it's put together in such a compressed construction schedule. I can't help but think of the St. Charles mold problem and wonder if we have issues like that to look forward to. Remember, there was a pipe burst and everything was supposedly cleaned up immediately (calling in all custodial staff at one time) but can one ensure safety like that? Unfortunately there are so many potential problems with Metea and some very obvious ones (terrible location, ugly building, proximity to highway, train tracks, pipelines, etc.). Can't you just see it now, the decision will be made to close Waubonsie after 2012 and then the major problems will appear the next year with Metea. We can end up with split shifts at Neuqua. Definitely doom and gloom but I guess that's the worst that could happen. Oh, and we'd be completely bankrupt in the meantime. "The word mustang is used as a proper noun and therefore should be capitalized. How did anyone miss that? The sign's hanging in a high school and we can't get the grammar correct? " talk to the kids who have gone on to private schools about 204's grammar curriculum. I have been on this topics for years now...gerund ? what? Infinitives ? Past perect which ? the MS program is extremely poor...and nothing has been done to address it. if you have a middle school student who may go to private HS ( or you want them to be able to write on SAT writing section - look for a tutor now. |
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Post by slp on Mar 1, 2010 9:23:48 GMT -6
what happened? I thought MM and yourself were friends? There was a time when I knew Mark and I worked hard on his campaign (as well as Curt's). As to what happened, too many games have been played, too much manipulation of the facts, too much deceit, all at the expense of our communities kids. I believe the cause of the falling out of my support is this very corruption you speak of. I do not know this "motherf*cker" Mark. He is dead to me. I agree. I look back and feel that Mark Metzger knew all along that switching the site was a BIG probability but conveniently never mentioned that to us hardworking folk who were getting the referendum passed and his re-election in the bag. I think JC and MM had that plan in the works for alot longer than most other school board members even realized. |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 1, 2010 9:24:07 GMT -6
Uh oh....there needs to be a change order to fix the poster. The word mustang is used as a proper noun and therefore should be capitalized. How did anyone miss that? The sign's hanging in a high school and we can't get the grammar correct? I agree Arch much of what you posted looks shoddy and crappy but what do you expect when it's put together in such a compressed construction schedule. I can't help but think of the St. Charles mold problem and wonder if we have issues like that to look forward to. Remember, there was a pipe burst and everything was supposedly cleaned up immediately (calling in all custodial staff at one time) but can one ensure safety like that? Unfortunately there are so many potential problems with Metea and some very obvious ones (terrible location, ugly building, proximity to highway, train tracks, pipelines, etc.). Can't you just see it now, the decision will be made to close Waubonsie after 2012 and then the major problems will appear the next year with Metea. We can end up with split shifts at Neuqua. Definitely doom and gloom but I guess that's the worst that could happen. Oh, and we'd be completely bankrupt in the meantime. also what you get when you expediate everything ( you know those 11000 kids were waiting outside the door  ) - no matter how many $millions you throw at it. |
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Post by slp on Mar 1, 2010 9:25:08 GMT -6
so help me ..... if they wind up closing WVHS while my son is there I will lose a gasket!
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 1, 2010 9:25:26 GMT -6
There was a time when I knew Mark and I worked hard on his campaign (as well as Curt's). As to what happened, too many games have been played, too much manipulation of the facts, too much deceit, all at the expense of our communities kids. I believe the cause of the falling out of my support is this very corruption you speak of. I do not know this "motherf*cker" Mark. He is dead to me. I agree. I look back and feel that Mark Metzger knew all along that switching the site was a BIG probability but conveniently never mentioned that to us hardworking folk who were getting the referendum passed and his re-election in the bag. I think JC and MM had that plan in the works for alot longer than most other school board members even realized. yep got JC and her minions "Their Neuqua' regardless of the cost to everyone else - they likely also knew the NIU numbers were a bunch of cow manure also. As I will say again, there should have been NO 3rd HS- regardless of location, but 'moving' a school voted on in a referendum( and a few cheerleaders save me the ballot language nonsense)- to a piece of crap property should not have been allowed, and likely was in the plans all along. Plan B that everyone kept asking about - was really plan A. It's not like they even went with the cheapest piece of land- just the worst. |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 1, 2010 9:50:19 GMT -6
so help me ..... if they wind up closing WVHS while my son is there I will lose a gasket! you're likely safe for 2-3 years-- but as the deficit climbs, one never knows. It was a great topic of conversation this VB weekend with other 204 parents. It seems that 'rumor' is out there well beyond this board. |
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Post by slp on Mar 1, 2010 10:03:40 GMT -6
so help me ..... if they wind up closing WVHS while my son is there I will lose a gasket! you're likely safe for 2-3 years-- but as the deficit climbs, one never knows. It was a great topic of conversation this VB weekend with other 204 parents. It seems that 'rumor' is out there well beyond this board. I for one would advocate closing Metea Valley if that becomes a need.. Waubonsie can house more students and is more centrally located to satisfy the transportation needs of this district AND Metea is more likely to appeal to a business/industrial company due to its proximity to the new I-88 interchange and the neighboring area. Much easier to transform that school to suit the needs of a new business / or community college /private high school than to "sell off" WVHS. |
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Post by macrockett on Mar 1, 2010 10:39:02 GMT -6
you're likely safe for 2-3 years-- but as the deficit climbs, one never knows. It was a great topic of conversation this VB weekend with other 204 parents. It seems that 'rumor' is out there well beyond this board. I for one would advocate closing Metea Valley if that becomes a need.. Waubonsie can house more students and is more centrally located to satisfy the transportation needs of this district AND Metea is more likely to appeal to a business/industrial company due to its proximity to the new I-88 interchange and the neighboring area. Much easier to transform that school to suit the needs of a new business / or community college /private high school than to "sell off" WVHS. agree SLP, especially regarding the value of MVHS use as commercial property, which is what it should have remained as for many reasons, many of which we have discussed. |
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 1, 2010 10:55:28 GMT -6
Wow...that sign is a sad indication of where our kids' educations are headed. The sign is weak on so many levels.
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 1, 2010 11:06:16 GMT -6
I for one would advocate closing Metea Valley if that becomes a need.. Waubonsie can house more students and is more centrally located to satisfy the transportation needs of this district AND Metea is more likely to appeal to a business/industrial company due to its proximity to the new I-88 interchange and the neighboring area. Much easier to transform that school to suit the needs of a new business / or community college /private high school than to "sell off" WVHS. agree SLP, especially regarding the value of MVHS use as commercial property, which is what it should have remained as for many reasons, many of which we have discussed. I don't disagree at all, for all the reasons SLP and Mike you list. However I believe this may have been in the works for quite some time since a long ago Powerpoint raises the closing of WVHS as a future potential. I think their argument will be age of the plant ( although younger than likely most schools in the state) - Some of those who were supposedly the biggest advocates for the 'New Waubonsie" ( a term I hated from day 1) - are today those who seems to have turned the coldest shoulder towards the school. I do not understand why.. |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 1, 2010 11:13:13 GMT -6
Wow...that sign is a sad indication of where our kids' educations are headed. The sign is weak on so many levels. they are all being dumbed down to head to the middle of the ACT score pack- an agreement we ( and only this SD in the country) signed an agrement on to solidify. just had this discussion last week on the dumbing down of some curricula seemingly over 10 years ago when some of us also had kids in the district as well. The focus now is entirely on test scores- but only on getting everyone to meets. The other problem I pointed out is that we compete head to head with 203 up to about mid-middle school as far as % of over achieves. Then our focus on ensuring we don't have anyone outside the box kicks in and by HS we have less than 1/2 the % exceeding that 203 does. I brought this up to HC - brought it indirectly to DD and continue to ask the question. Did work on it and my main concern about dashboard was exactly the same - it only focused on moving kids into the meets- then awash in apathy. I will tell you discussions I had with one SB member- DD did understand there were some curriculum issues here.. english/grammar being one of them. I didn't care for him on some other items to be sure - but he did not ignore that, or differences between schools etc. |
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Post by EagleDad on Mar 1, 2010 11:54:05 GMT -6
"The word mustang is used as a proper noun and therefore should be capitalized. How did anyone miss that? The sign's hanging in a high school and we can't get the grammar correct? " talk to the kids who have gone on to private schools about 204's grammar curriculum. I have been on this topics for years now...gerund ? what? Infinitives ? Past perect which ? the MS program is extremely poor...and nothing has been done to address it. if you have a middle school student who may go to private HS ( or you want them to be able to write on SAT writing section - look for a tutor now. Don't know if that's any different today then when I was a kid - I vividly remember my Freshman English class when I went to a Catholic high school, coming from public. I was in for a huge suprise as everyone there knew sentence diagramming and much more and I had never seen it. Nothing Sister Margaret Mary and her yardstick couldn't beat into me in short order. That said, with the amount of outsourcing in the world, I now seem like a Rhodes Scholar in my day-today life in comparison with many of my business associates. |
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