D204 proposed Metea boundaries - Part 3

[wvhsparent]

archwinsome said:

forthekids said:

Here is where your logic fails: you are choosing to do those things, the kids that are assigned to this school have no choice. Our district is putting those kids at risk, they are not choosing it for themselves. Also, the school is costing quite a bit of money. If we are wrong in this choice, we have wasted this money.

Exactly.

I'm not telling you nor anyone else in the district what they have to do for their job and I am not telling you nor anyone else in the district where they have to live.

I chose a job w/out those risks and I chose to live in a place without the risks that exist at that site. Someone else having the choice to send my kids there does not sit well with me.

I think if they buy and build there they should have people volunteer to go there. If you want to go, you go. If you don't, you don't. The other 2 schools do not have the RR tracks next to them nor active large pipelines through the properties.

The first choice site location did not either.

So in other words arch...you never leave your house for any reason, You are fortunate to have a job in your home, have everything delivered to you...Good for you...The rest of us are not so fortunate.

There is a risk you could trip and fall down the stairs in your home, or do you live in a ranch? Or you could trip on a left out toy.

[Arch]

wvhsparent said:

archwinsome said:

Exactly.

I'm not telling you nor anyone else in the district what they have to do for their job and I am not telling you nor anyone else in the district where they have to live.

I chose a job w/out those risks and I chose to live in a place without the risks that exist at that site. Someone else having the choice to send my kids there does not sit well with me.

I think if they buy and build there they should have people volunteer to go there. If you want to go, you go. If you don't, you don't. The other 2 schools do not have the RR tracks next to them nor active large pipelines through the properties.

The first choice site location did not either.

So in other words arch...you never leave your house for any reason, You are fortunate to have a job in your home, have everything delivered to you...Good for you...The rest of us are not so fortunate.

Once again, you're jumping to an incorrect conclusion... But you're right, I do minimize my risks in life and I teach my kids to recognize what risks are and how to avoid them or take preventative measures to make their potential for harm as minimal as possible.

[wvhsparent]

archwinsome said:

wvhsparent said:

So in other words arch...you never leave your house for any reason, You are fortunate to have a job in your home, have everything delivered to you...Good for you...The rest of us are not so fortunate.

Once again, you're jumping to an incorrect conclusion... But you're right, I do minimize my risks in life and I teach my kids to recognize what risks are and how to avoid them or take preventative measures to make their potential for harm as minimal as possible.

No I have right conclusion...We all try to minimize our risks, but there is always going to be some sort of risk, just getting out of bed everyday...I just don't let them take over my life.

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

forthekids said:

Here is where your logic fails: you are choosing to do those things, the kids that are assigned to this school have no choice. Our district is putting those kids at risk, they are not choosing it for themselves. Also, the school is costing quite a bit of money. If we are wrong in this choice, we have wasted this money.

Maybe so....but around here choosing to drive somewhere whether a passenger or driver is a necessity.
Do your kids take bus to school now?...they have a higher risk of something happening on the bus (regardless of time...doc)
You have a choice too, if your area is assigned to AME....Move.

And plenty of people are chosing to do that Parent -- so what does that mean for my area that I have lived in and invested in ( personal time and emotion) - for 20 years. That is not an answer I want to hear as a return for my vote for $150M.

We already have a house listed on Sequioa - right near May Watts school that when listed highlighted " In new HS boundary !

Now I don't know whether they view this as negative or positive - but it is a problem for my area.Who the hell will want to move where the MS and HS are so d**n far away ? I already stated my daughters best friends ahve already listed their home. One other parent was told by a WVHS to move closer to WVHS if they still want to go there. I guess the tremendous housing market will allow for that today ?

This is a heck of a 'present' my area is receiving. I don't think you would have liked someone telling you that if they put the school at MACOM and then the SD decided that is where you should go. Whether the answer is true or not - it is a piss poor return for support for 204 for everything our area has done for all the time I've been here. We've already sucked it up for MS travel - and no one complained because it is what we signed up for moving here. We didn;t ask for much, heck, not to go to the schools furthest away from our home - never mind the closest. Seems like little to ask.

This decision is tearing apart one heck of a good area. Many people here are where I am now-- not even trying to deal with it any more as it is just far too many his for any one area.

It would be bad enough to deal with just one or two of them... but 1 1/2 on a bus or kids traversing the district with all kinds of hints how to cut through - over tracks, behind industrial areas etc, already having a long MS commute, going to the 3rd closest MS, 3rd closest HS, with the HS so far away - for parents in this area that are not stay at home parents, how the heck do we continue to stay involved at school. I had a hard time making games at WVHS - now add 30 minutes to that commute, and forget working concession stands or being involved in anything that starts at 4:30 - 5:00 -- so that will belong to all the peope who live close by - those 4 schools will run the show I guess- and those of us who travel great lengths can just shut up and like it. But then someone will tell me how we can;t be separated from our 'northern neighbors' - when we border no one on the north.

Many others will seek other solutions as I have which again is a lousy return on ones support of 204.

On Tuesday it will be all over but the shouting, and at that point in time I will move on, as will many others. Some will be thrilled we are gone, one less nuisance to them. There will be a LOT of unhappy people, and I feel bad for each of them. Yes, I know no matter what decision was made there would be people unhappy - I acknowledged that to all that asked me or made that comment to me as to why things have gone down the way they have -but it seems as though if one disagrees on this front, you are now a malcontent and a troublemaker to some - so be it. I am hoping beyond hope we truly work to minimize that as part of the criteria also. It won't be long now until we know for sure.

[jwh]

doctorwho said:

jwh said:

What about all of the schools in the urban areas ( i.e. City of Chicago schools) that are built right on top of the city infrastructure, with pipelines of all sorts underneath?

So it's OK because someone else does it ? Not sure how anything to do with Chicago makes our site any safer.
There are homes next to landfills, ski hills where people ski around methane release ports - no thanks- just because it is done someone, doesn't convince me it's a good idea to spend $150M for us to do it.

Many of the Chicago schools likely have lead and asbestos in them, should we add that to MV ?

No, it's not OK because others do it. Its also not OK to try and freak people out about possible scenarios that are imaginary! If further testing reveals a LEGITMATE risk, then it should be addressed.

[Arch]

jwh said:

doctorwho said:

So it's OK because someone else does it ? Not sure how anything to do with Chicago makes our site any safer.
There are homes next to landfills, ski hills where people ski around methane release ports - no thanks- just because it is done someone, doesn't convince me it's a good idea to spend $150M for us to do it.

Many of the Chicago schools likely have lead and asbestos in them, should we add that to MV ?

No, it's not OK because others do it. Its also not OK to try and freak people out about possible scenarios that are imaginary! If further testing reveals a LEGITMATE risk, then it should be addressed.

Is there a risk associated with an active gas pipeline? What about 3 under? What about 5 (3 under, 2 next to)?

If people are getting freaked out then maybe they need more information. Emotional decisions are not usually good decisions.

Let's start with more information:

How old are the pipelines?
How much volume and what materials traverse through them?
When was the last time they were hydrostatic tested and to what pressure?
What pressure do they currently operate under?

If you are saying people are freaking out, then let's take emotion out of it and start putting out the real data so people can put their fears at ease.

It would be nice if the School Board or the Administration would put out this data to calm everyone down.

BTW, who's "freaking out" about them? I see people asking questions but no one going "Airplane's *Calm Down, get ahold of yourself..@smack@*" freaky about it.

[Arch]

wvhsparent said:

There is a risk you could trip and fall down the stairs in your home, or do you live in a ranch? Or you could trip on a left out toy.

Both of these incidences are well documented to demolish entire structures and level many city blocks when they happen too.

In fact, DHS, FEMA and the FBI have even put forth publications about terrorists and specifically mentioned schools being located next to homes where people fall down the steps or leave out toys.

[wvhsparent]

archwinsome said:

wvhsparent said:

There is a risk you could trip and fall down the stairs in your home, or do you live in a ranch? Or you could trip on a left out toy.

Both of these incidences are well documented to demolish entire structures and level many city blocks when they happen too.

In fact, DHS, FEMA and the FBI have even put forth publications about terrorists and specifically mentioned schools being located next to homes where people fall down the steps or leave out toys.

OK whatever arch...I am not going to calm your paranoia, nor are you going to convince me that there is going to be a catastrophe of epic proportions occurring on AME.

[Arch]

wvhsparent said:

OK whatever arch...I am not going to calm your paranoia, nor are you going to convince me that there is going to be a catastrophe of epic proportions occurring on AME.

Call it paranoia if you want, but I call the decision to build a school there irresponsible and negligent.

[rural]

Arch, do you have any news stories about gas lines buried beneath the earth actually blowing up schools or houses? You would think a catastrophe of that magnitude would at least make the Today Show. Most stories I hear about involve faulty gas lines to houses or stoves left on, not the pipelines under the earth that feed them.

[wvhsparent]

rural said:

Arch, do you have any news stories about gas lines buried beneath the earth actually blowing up schools or houses? You would think a catastrophe of that magnitude would at least make the Today Show. Most stories I hear about involve faulty gas lines to houses or stoves left on, not the pipelines under the earth that feed them.

Don't encourage him!

I am sure there have been a few incidents over recorded time since there have been buried gas lines (last 100 years or so).
But as you say many of them have been from the lines that provide service to the building. I am sure arch has had his disconnected and re-routed away from his home, due the risk of failure.
Actually there is probably a greater risk of that happening than from the lines at AME. I have actually investigated a few of these very incidents.

[rural]

wvhsparent said:

rural said:

Arch, do you have any news stories about gas lines buried beneath the earth actually blowing up schools or houses? You would think a catastrophe of that magnitude would at least make the Today Show. Most stories I hear about involve faulty gas lines to houses or stoves left on, not the pipelines under the earth that feed them.

Don't encourage him!

I am sure there have been a few incidents over recorded time since there have been buried gas lines (last 100 years or so).
But as you say many of them have been from the lines that provide service to the building. I am sure arch has had his disconnected and re-routed away from his home, due the risk of failure.
Actually there is probably a greater risk of that happening than from the lines at AME. I have actually investigated a few of these very incidents.

I just figured it would keep him busy for a little while.

[Arch]

If you want to read about stress corrosion cracking, it's easy to find w/ google.
Microbiologically influenced corrosion is another thing playing a larger role lately in pipeline failures.

Stick your head in the sand or any place else all you want.

[gatordog]

doctorwho said:

.. but 1 1/2 on a bus...

I will make a friendly bet (gotta get this on the table before boundaries come out ): there will be no 1-1/2 hr round trip bus rides on the future Laidlaw schedule. We will probably have to wait until Summer 2009 (or 2010! ) to see if this is a winning bet.

My references, just grabbing median stop from middle of current route schedule:
Brookdale to WV: ~35 min to school, ~20 min home
Watts area to WV: ~25 min to school, ~15 min home
my kids stop (near Gombert school) to WV: ~15 min to school, ~10 min home

[Arch]

gatordog said:

doctorwho said:

.. but 1 1/2 on a bus...

I will make a friendly bet (gotta get this on the table before boundaries come out ): there will be no 1-1/2 hr round trip bus rides on the future Laidlaw schedule. We will probably have to wait until Summer 2009 (or 2010! ) to see if this is a winning bet.

Well, if they take the suggestion that no area goes to the furthest high school (without exception), I too would say that there would be no 1 1/2hr bus rides.