D204 proposed Metea boundaries - Part 3

[doctorwho]

gatordog said:

doctorwho said:

.. but 1 1/2 on a bus...

I will make a friendly bet (gotta get this on the table before boundaries come out ): there will be no 1-1/2 hr round trip bus rides on the future Laidlaw schedule. We will probably have to wait until Summer 2009 (or 2010! ) to see if this is a winning bet.

My references, just grabbing median stop from middle of current route schedule:
Brookdale to WV: ~35 min to school, ~20 min home
Watts area to WV: ~25 min to school, ~15 min home
my kids stop (near Gombert school) to WV: ~15 min to school, ~10 min home

I am not sure what you are using or why ?

Tak the Butterfield / Ginger Woods to WVHS route today ( we will be further to MV) - and Parent has already told me it is 35-36 minutes.
Kathy B has told us at Watts it will be 40+ - mid average at Watts --

so what are you using ? I am confused.


Also can you tell me why a 10 minute difference ride home vs there ? Do they just run red lights ? Again confused.

[doctorwho]

gatordog said:

doctorwho said:

.. but 1 1/2 on a bus...

I will make a friendly bet (gotta get this on the table before boundaries come out ): there will be no 1-1/2 hr round trip bus rides on the future Laidlaw schedule. We will probably have to wait until Summer 2009 (or 2010! ) to see if this is a winning bet.

My references, just grabbing median stop from middle of current route schedule:
Brookdale to WV: ~35 min to school, ~20 min home
Watts area to WV: ~25 min to school, ~15 min home
my kids stop (near Gombert school) to WV: ~15 min to school, ~10 min home

Also people are not going to wait to see until Summer 2009 - or 10 -- people will have moved by then or have kids in other schools.
If they change any boundaries after the initial announcement it will be with even less regard for areas like mine. They need to understand the consequencs of what they are going to announce now.... these are families lives we are talking about, not pieces on a Stratego game.

Butterfield has a 72 minute round trip commute today - so how will Watts not have a longer commute than that to MV ? ( and again, perfect weather, no traffic issues for that 72 minutes) -

[gatordog]

doctorwho said:

I am not sure what you are using or why ?

Tak the Butterfield / Ginger Woods to WVHS route today ( we will be further to MV) - and Parent has already told me it is 35-36 minutes.
Kathy B has told us at Watts it will be 40+ - mid average at Watts --

so what are you using ? I am confused.


Also can you tell me why a 10 minute difference ride home vs there ? Do they just run red lights ? Again confused.

drwho, I am just eyeballing Laidlaw bus routes to WVHS at www.ipsd.org/Documents/BusRoutes/0708/WaubonsieBusRoutes0708.pdf
On the lighter side, I wanted to share what I looked at before anybody took me up on the 1.5 hr roundtrip busride bet! On the more serious side, I think these are commute times we should hold the district to.

For example, a Butterfield area bus ride is ~30 min in, ~20 min home. (Bus route lucky number 13).

As to why the return rides are shorter....I guess we have to ask Laidlaw. Pretty much all routes show shorter times home. Not during rush hour is biggest effect I think. And maybe fewer kids take bus home, I dont know? I am just getting this directly from Laidlaw's schedule.

Clearly, you cant take inbound time and double it. Nor can you take worst-case longest inbound ride and double it because I believe most (all?) routes have those among the first ones off on way home to even out the rides.

[doctorwho]

gatordog said:

doctorwho said:

I am not sure what you are using or why ?

Tak the Butterfield / Ginger Woods to WVHS route today ( we will be further to MV) - and Parent has already told me it is 35-36 minutes.
Kathy B has told us at Watts it will be 40+ - mid average at Watts --

so what are you using ? I am confused.


Also can you tell me why a 10 minute difference ride home vs there ? Do they just run red lights ? Again confused.

drwho, I am just eyeballing Laidlaw bus routes to WVHS at www.ipsd.org/Documents/BusRoutes/0708/WaubonsieBusRoutes0708.pdf
On the lighter side, I wanted to share what I looked at before anybody took me up on the 1.5 hr roundtrip busride bet! On the more serious side, I think these are commute times we should hold the district to.

For example, a Butterfield area bus ride is ~30 min in, ~20 min home. (Bus route lucky number 13).

As to why the return rides are shorter....I guess we have to ask Laidlaw. Pretty much all routes show shorter times home. Not during rush hour is biggest effect I think. And maybe fewer kids take bus home, I dont know? I am just getting this directly from Laidlaw's schedule.

Clearly, you cant take inbound time and double it. Nor can you take worst-case longest inbound ride and double it because I believe most (all?) routes have those among the first ones off on way home to even out the rides.

okay 'SHOULD' hold them to-- that I absolutely agree with. But likely not what we will see- especially when that groundwork has already been laid.

My daughters bus trip home from Hill is about 5 mins different than the trip there - but not the difference I see in those others. Maybe parent would know - if kids in his area get home in 10 less minutes than the 35-36 from his house to WVHS.

Also 1 hr 15 mis does not make me feel a whole lot better than 1.5 hrs knowing that during much of winter it will be longer anyway.


Also understand my point on what is announced vs. reality. This announcement needs to be the exact deal when they finalize -- nothing, and I mean nothing should be shuffled around after people make life altering decision basd on what will be laid out.


Can you imagine someone moving and buying a new house in an area ( let's for the sake of argument say WVHS) - and then in 6 months - or next year- they change the boundaries again and they are out again ?

[doctorwho]

doctorwho said:

gatordog said:

drwho, I am just eyeballing Laidlaw bus routes to WVHS at www.ipsd.org/Documents/BusRoutes/0708/WaubonsieBusRoutes0708.pdf
On the lighter side, I wanted to share what I looked at before anybody took me up on the 1.5 hr roundtrip busride bet! On the more serious side, I think these are commute times we should hold the district to.

For example, a Butterfield area bus ride is ~30 min in, ~20 min home. (Bus route lucky number 13).

As to why the return rides are shorter....I guess we have to ask Laidlaw. Pretty much all routes show shorter times home. Not during rush hour is biggest effect I think. And maybe fewer kids take bus home, I dont know? I am just getting this directly from Laidlaw's schedule.

Clearly, you cant take inbound time and double it. Nor can you take worst-case longest inbound ride and double it because I believe most (all?) routes have those among the first ones off on way home to even out the rides.

okay 'SHOULD' hold them to-- that I absolutely agree with. But likely not what we will see- especially when that groundwork has already been laid.

My daughters bus trip home from Hill is about 5 mins different than the trip there - but not the difference I see in those others. Maybe parent would know - if kids in his area get home in 10 less minutes than the 35-36 from his house to WVHS.

Also 1 hr 15 mis does not make me feel a whole lot better than 1.5 hrs knowing that during much of winter it will be longer anyway.


Also understand my point on what is announced vs. reality. This announcement needs to be the exact deal when they finalize -- nothing, and I mean nothing should be shuffled around after people make life altering decision basd on what will be laid out.


Can you imagine someone moving and buying a new house in an area ( let's for the sake of argument say WVHS) - and then in 6 months - or next year- they change the boundaries again and they are out again ?

Okay GD-- I am really confused by your numbers now--

The bus stop in front of my house 6:54 - WVHS 7:09 15 mins

home leaves WVHS 2:38 - here 2:15 17 mins

Not sure where your seeing the 10-15 min less rides. Are you using arrival at the school and leaving the school equally ? Same stop ?

The area rightnext to us

morning River and Ashton 6:47 - arrive WVHS 7:04 17 mins
home leaves WVHS 2:38 - river & ashton 2:56 18 mins

using corner by east of Watts school Watts school Sequoia and Raintree

morning 6:46 - arrive wvhs 7:08 20 mins
home leave wvhs 2:38 - arrive sequi=oia & raintree 2:58 20 mins



I am not seeing the savings you are-- if you are comparing middle of the routes vs exact stop to exact stop- the SD has a job for you ;D


compare exact stop to exact stop -- same intersections

maybe in some areas they run some sort of 'reverse route' - they don't anywhere near me

[rew]

I know people who made moves based on the last boundary decision for BB.

A majority of board seats are up for grabs next year.

We'll see

[doctorwho]

rew said:

A majority of board seats are up for grabs next year.

Yes indeed they are.

[gatordog]

doctorwho said:

Okay GD-- I am really confused by your numbers now--

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I am kinda sorry I brought my background numbers up! I just wanted to show my figuring so my "bet" wasnt a sucker bet...I am too much of a gentleman for that .

I was merely eyeballing the schedules with this in mind: very worst case WV round trip bus rides currently are about 1 hr (less actually per the schedule as I read it.) I am willing to bet that future worst case round trip will not go up by 50%. Therefore, I dont think any bus rider will have a typical, expected 1.5 hr round trip.

[Arch]

gatordog said:

doctorwho said:

Okay GD-- I am really confused by your numbers now--

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I am kinda sorry I brought my background numbers up! I just wanted to show my figuring so my "bet" wasnt a sucker bet...I am too much of a gentleman for that .

I was merely eyeballing the schedules with this in mind: very worst case WV round trip bus rides currently are about 1 hr (less actually per the schedule as I read it.) I am willing to bet that future worst case round trip will not go up by 50%. Therefore, I dont think any bus rider will have a typical, expected 1.5 hr round trip.

Here's where it gets crazy. Adding another high school is making commute times go up ?

[doctorwho]

gatordog said:

doctorwho said:

Okay GD-- I am really confused by your numbers now--

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I am kinda sorry I brought my background numbers up! I just wanted to show my figuring so my "bet" wasnt a sucker bet...I am too much of a gentleman for that .

I was merely eyeballing the schedules with this in mind: very worst case WV round trip bus rides currently are about 1 hr (less actually per the schedule as I read it.) I am willing to bet that future worst case round trip will not go up by 50%. Therefore, I dont think any bus rider will have a typical, expected 1.5 hr round trip.

And I agree that you are a gentleman, and are looking out for what is best for our district, no disrepsect meant at all.


I'm willing to take the bet that at least 2 complete ES's have a longer commute than the longest today.

Let's make that for one Warrior Wear sweatshirt - if I lose I won't need it likely anyway, if I win it will be a nice momento of when I thought I was contributing to the success of the school- but have since found out didn't do a good enough job so we need a 'new Waubonsie' with bigger houses and bank accounts than my area has.

Between Watts / Cowlishaw and Peterson - at least 2 if not all 3 will have longer commute times than Butterfield/Ginger Woods does today. ( a 4th potential wild card is Owen)

the fact that anyone is looking at that with what we are spending says it all.


btw: I would be thrilled to be wrong here, just don't think I am

[warriorpride]

archwinsome said:

gatordog said:

I am kinda sorry I brought my background numbers up! I just wanted to show my figuring so my "bet" wasnt a sucker bet...I am too much of a gentleman for that .

I was merely eyeballing the schedules with this in mind: very worst case WV round trip bus rides currently are about 1 hr (less actually per the schedule as I read it.) I am willing to bet that future worst case round trip will not go up by 50%. Therefore, I dont think any bus rider will have a typical, expected 1.5 hr round trip.

Here's where it gets crazy. Adding another high school is making commute times go up ?

For some, yes, just like in 203: www.naperville203.org/assets/MapAttendanceDistrict%2Epdf

Those folks that are south of Naperville Central, but in the North boundaries would have had their commute increased when North opened. Especially those in the Hobson Rd area - looks like their commute was increased about 1.5 miles.

[doctorwho]

warriorpride said:

archwinsome said:

Here's where it gets crazy. Adding another high school is making commute times go up ?

For some, yes, just like in 203: www.naperville203.org/assets/MapAttendanceDistrict%2Epdf

Those folks that are south of Naperville Central, but in the North boundaries would have had their commute increased when North opened. Especially those in the Hobson Rd area - looks like their commute was increased about 1.5 miles.

Did they have 6 and potentially more ES's increase their commute ? Did they have anyone double their commute and more ?

Did I miss the 3rd 203 high school announcement ?


If they built a 3rd HS today, I doubt they'd build it at Naper and I88 - I would think they'd put it where their new population is, just a guess. But I'd hold them to the same standard- no one goes to the furthest HS when you have 3 high schools.

[warriorpride]

doctorwho said:

warriorpride said:

For some, yes, just like in 203: www.naperville203.org/assets/MapAttendanceDistrict%2Epdf

Those folks that are south of Naperville Central, but in the North boundaries would have had their commute increased when North opened. Especially those in the Hobson Rd area - looks like their commute was increased about 1.5 miles.

Did they have 6 and potentially more ES's increase their commute ? Did they have anyone double their commute and more ?

Did I miss the 3rd 203 high school announcement ?


If they built a 3rd HS today, I doubt they'd build it at Naper and I88 - I would think they'd put it where their new population is, just a guess. But I'd hold them to the same standard- no one goes to the furthest HS when you have 3 high schools.

I'm just trying to show that increased commutes for some, with the opening of a new school, is not without precedence - just across town, in fact. We don't live in a perfect world, where schools can be built exactly, mathematically, perfectly in the optimal location for every household in the district. I'm trying to change anyone's mind, or make anyone feel any better - I was just addressing the specific point on commutes increasing for some - if I had more free time, I'd go looking at more local HS boundaries & probably find more examples of this

[hmmm]

jwh said:

doctorwho said:

So it's OK because someone else does it ? Not sure how anything to do with Chicago makes our site any safer.
There are homes next to landfills, ski hills where people ski around methane release ports - no thanks- just because it is done someone, doesn't convince me it's a good idea to spend $150M for us to do it.

Many of the Chicago schools likely have lead and asbestos in them, should we add that to MV ?

No, it's not OK because others do it. Its also not OK to try and freak people out about possible scenarios that are imaginary! If further testing reveals a LEGITMATE risk, then it should be addressed.

I for one am very grateful that Arch is doing this research. His tenacity is invaluable in this situtation. He is just trying to make sure that the further testing actually gets done. Remember Alka said that the seller gave their word and we should honor it. That does not sound like the SB wants to do any further testing and I find that unacceptable.

BTW- Unless they pull from the furthest southeastern point of the district, I am personally unaffected by this directly. I just think that we shouldn't risk ANYONE's health in this district.

Arch, keep up the good work!

[proschool]

Is MDGEN a subsidiary of Comm Ed? Is so is Comm Ed going to make a promise or just the subsidiary.